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It won't. It's already a mistake to get in a turning fight with a mirage in the Mig, so dramatic turn is definitely overstating it.

That is your opinion. My opinion is it is time well spent, and considering years of beta is the norm around here they got plenty of time You say that like its fact, but neither you or I know the extent of RAZBAMs resources or what they do or do not have access too, and I find it extremely hard to believe data on how it worked on even a 2000E at the dry least isn't available. Like said above- I sincerely doubt any purist will turn their nose up at the M2000C because it has a weapon that wasn't used on the platform. There is several things on this and other aircraft that were made with little to no data. RWR symbology is a total guess for instance. If they can find out how it worked on the E, make it work that way on the C for all I care!

Bingo. I personally know three people who all state they would buy the module simply based on inclusion of the ARMAT. I bought it either way but having a new SEAD aircraft is a big deal to some.

Mother of god, when will you learn to READ what I actually say. I said MANY, as in a large number, NOT A MAJORITY. Give me a break, dude. . . http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/many http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/majority Stop taking my posts out of context to start arguments. It gets old. You be serious. When I did I say it was a small if? I didn't, because neither you nor I know what type of material RAZBAM has access to, and I doubt the extent of RAZBAM's research ability is limited to Jojo's books. My logic holds, even if you do not want to admit it. Inclusion of non french liveries FROM THE DEV is NO more or less realistic than inclusion of the ARMAT. Heck, you can even call if a gift to the community. The liveries WERE NOT made by the community, therefor the request is quite valid (by your own reasoning, just in reverse) and you are guilty of the logical fallacy know as "red herring" I'm afraid. I guess RAZBAM should save the time of talented modders and include the ARMAT then? :lol: In my case, and probably the case of other, it has nothing to do with not believing you, it is more that I don't care if it was used in real life. I couldn't care less, just like I don't care that we have non-french liveries planned for a french only variant! What I care about is A. if the plane would have been capable of it, or easily modified to use it and B. if the correct documentation is available to realistically simulate it. Obviously is RAZBAM is still considering it the same logic applies to it as having non-french liveries, in that sure it isn't true to real life, but it is a worthy departure from real life to give more enjoyment out of the module. I do not see why some people dig their heels in so deep to try to prevent this from happening. A very reasonable approach, one which I agree with entirely, however it seems some parties that oppose it also oppose anyone else having it, why I do not know. :megalol:

Honestly I would love to see this, as well as 3rd party devs branch out into making new variants of released aircraft. Would add a lot to the sim.

Not having 8 minute alignment time = war thunder :megalol: I love this community

I don't think you should speak on behalf of the "majority" of the community. It is clear a large amount of people would like the ARMAT. Only a pole could tell for sure. Also saying "In 5 years when we have X" does NOT make me feel better!!! :lol: Here is the end all be all where I am concerned... If sufficient documentation can be found to implement the ARMAT onto the Mirage 2000C in a realistic manner, EVEN IF the plane never carried it, I say go for it. Having non-french liveries for the M2000C is justification enough. If it is simply not possible to realistically implement it even if it was never carried or tested because we cannot find out how the weapon worked, so be it. That being said, I think many of us would love to have this weapon if it could be done. It adds a whole new and much needed mission set to an already great aircraft. This would be really nice too, as having a variant with the RDM radar would be awesome.

Couldn't agree more. One must remember DCS is a simulation, but many concessions are made for various reasons that do not harm the experience in any way. I think the livery and cockpit argument is a very strong one considering we have a version that was not exported.

Now I do agree with that, if that cannot make the ARMAT operate realistically like the Kh 66 does (in targeting and theory of operation) then I would agree, don't do it, however if, like other things in the aircraft (RWR symbology) enough data exists to approximate, go for it!

But see there is a logical break down there, and allow me to point out my thinking behind this. . . There a liveries planned for countries besides France, correct? Yet to my knowledge the M-2000C model was only used by France. This is setting a precedent for believable departure from reality in certain cases, and I believe inclusion of the ARMAT to be one of those cases. I keep coming back to if you don't like it, don't use it, but don't pressure the devs who are considering its implementation for those of us who would use it extensively. It's clear ARMAT is no more unrealistic than a non France skin for the M-2000C

The R-73 works on the M-2000C as well! you will need to add this line under Pylons 1 and 9 in the /mods/m2000C/m2000C.lau { CLSID = "{CBC29BFE-3D24-4C64-B81D-941239D12249}", arg_value = 0.15 }, --R-73

[ame] [/ame] Here is a video enjoying the weapons mod. I edited mine only to allow sidewinders on the outer pylons and twin ejector racks for Mk 82s and Mk82S and it is awesome how many bombs I can tote now! Surprisingly the M-2000C has ample MTOW to carry 14 dumb bombs!

But was it a match for..... TEH MIG 21????

So we are in for another insanely high fidelity treat! Viggen scope avatar looks awesome... I hope that was taken from an in game test :D

Oh no doubt, I was referring more to the discussion of the aircraft, of course we never mind new nuggets of news to freak out about! Cannot wait for this helicopter! So did I understand correctly that the team decided to implement gun and rocket pods at a post beta date?

Nice work man!

Looks pretty good for a PS2!!!!

Haven't tried that yet actually... Find the lau code by looking at an aircraft that can carry it, like maybe the Su-27 and try using that? I'll try when I'm home

Thankfully (to my knowledge) risk is totally abated by creating a lau backup! :thumbup: Oh course you guys feel free to take out the middle man and add official support for the sidewinder :D Also as a side note your plane seems to be very stable CTD wise as I have edited and tested nearly every known weapon to man kind in this joker without a single CTD!

The loss of faith is almost totally due to the fact that we don't really know what is going on, so in light of that (as I've asked before) what actually remains to be done before release? What systems are done or currently being modeled? WIP shots? The above would do much to alliavete this. Remember you guys will be trying to sell us new modules down the road and you should avoid any stigma from the C 101 while possible

Yea the switch defaults in the wrong position and you get the CONF advisory but no biggie

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I don't follow, are you talking about on the 104th? If so then Yea that is what I figured but I didn't see a clear statement so I was wondering. I'll keep it down to two each online just to be safe

Appreciate that. Ironically I'm using the aim 9 on a single pylon for the most part, but I like the options to give it a little more teeth in a believable way. As you can see I'm trying to keep things on the topic and off certain angry parties. I'll let it go

Childish is showing up to a mod thread with no other goal in mind but to whine about people using the mod and how arcadey it is, then making totally unfounded statements about people wanting "AIM 520s" or whatever. I know you can't stand the idea of some people using a load out you don't approve of for their own enjoyment, but try to deal with it. You seriously accuse me of getting off topic when you are here to derail the thread? I'm done acknowledging your trolling beyond this point. Once again, BACK on topic... For what it is worth I'm glad the 104 has adopted the mod. After flying on it a bit I feel much more viable with the sidewinder backing me up, although I'm assuming we shouldn't use the Lau7 on the 104th?