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Is the website news going live on the 1st of 2017 maybe?

Maybe you should let me tell you instead of deciding for yourself :doh:... I hate it when words get put into my mouth. You'd probably agree with me more if you read the content of my post, instead of witch hunts about me claiming the MiG is superior to all known aircraft in the history of ever, when I said nothing of the like. . . These guys... Very true. I too find myself picking apart what I know the MiG 21 is weak at when I am in the Mirage, having flown the Fishbed so much I know what points to press... I feel guilty sometimes :) The Mirage certainly has less weaknesses to play to than the MiG 21, but one thing I love about the underdog aircraft (Which both the MiG 21 and Mirage 2000C are part of IMO) is they force you to become that much better of a simpilot to even survive, much more succeed. Great stuff. I'm sure I'll be looking for trouble in the F-5 among others. Agreed on the 104th as well. I freaking love looking for trouble in the MiG with other guys I know who fly it. It is a guaranteed rush when you go out in that plane, as opposed to others where you may run into a boring sortie here and there. . . You also run into immensely skilled pilots in the MiG 21, as the guys who can't make the cut just quit most of the time! I am feeling a similar but also unique challenge with the M2000C on the 104th, in that I am still at a disadvantage, to a lesser degree, but the IFF is making me play very cautiously.

I still would love to have it. We will see. Last Zeus said it was a maybe

Yea that is pretty sketch. The top speed of the MiG 21 and M-2000C should permit for a MiG getting run down too quickly at that altitude. I would blame that on the unrealistic engine sim that I think is getting fixed next patch. The MiG 21 should actually be able to out perform the M-2000 TWW ratio while in Emergency after burner as well, and right now it cannot outperform in this state, which means the M-2000 has a TWW ratio of over 1.12! This is too high.

The current M-2000C has some overpowered performance issues, but also others that might need tweaking up, the AI is worse. I find human M-2000C pilots to usually be more reasonable than the most diffucult AI because the AI breaks laws of physics :D Can't say I agree though, I'm still getting kills and maintaining a reasonable if not positive K/D ratio in the 21, but also in the M-2000C. It depends on how you fly both, despite the advantages of the Mirage. M-2000C vs MiG 21 is probably still a much better match up than pitting the M-2000C against an Eagle, Flanker, or Fulcrum were it would quickly be in the MiG 21s shoes... maybe worse with the unfinished features. Good kill! Agreed I love both planes, although the adventures and hair raising moments, along with immense satisfaction from hard earned success that I have experienced in the MiG 21 has earned it a very special place in my heart! MiG haters, critics, those who write it off or just have no interest in the bird will never understand how rewarding it is to take up such a legendary yet old fighter and come back sucessful. I don't think the F-5, F-104, or other fighters from the 21s day could pull some off some of the exploits I have had in that plane, although I cannot wait to try in the F-5!

Good videos, good flying. 5:14 on the first one, the Pilot of that MiG 21 lost it. You can tell he has over controlled and put it into the elevator stall state where you basically have to go full stuck and power back to break out of it, and he was way too low at that point.

Sigh.... :doh: You have missed my point entirely. Forget it, let's get back to the topic... Like what M-2000 variant would be the coolest post 2000C completion.

None the less good flying on your part. I think part of the issue with MiG failing to IFF is the radar is a little bit of a hassle to IFF with in the heat of the moment, and they take a chance and get too trigger happy with R-60s. I ere on the side of caution to avoid friendly fire even if it puts me at peril. It just sucks getting killed by a team mate after a long sortie so I don't want to be part of the problem. Probably one of my favorite incidents of getting into a jam when trying to avoid FF was when I was in a MiG on the 104th not too long ago. I was in a TRE with several aircraft that turned into a furball. I saw an opportunity to get on a F-15s ass but my radar was no longer operating. I called for the guy who I THOUGHT it was in TS to pop two flares. Sure enough two flares come out of the eagle so I break off. As I am turning left while my former target is hard right, what should I see off my 9 but another Eagle with two freshly popped flares behind it. I couldn't believe how bad my luck was... My target had popped flares at the exact same time I asked my friendly too, and he was now right on my six... LOL. Thankfully my buddy bailed me out and I escaped with some damaged from an Aim-9.

Can't argue about it's low speed prowess being a beautiful thing, but it that MiG was me or some of the guys I fly with, you'd been dead. :)

The M-2000C is obviously a better fighter than the MiG, despite the MiG being an incredible Gen 3 fighter, and it will be helped when the features are finished. That being said, I would MUUUUUCH rather fight the Mirage in my mig than a Flanker.

The MiG 15 is also a Interceptor/Bomber killer, so there is indeed 3 interceptors all of which tend to be used for interception the least in the sim

This statement got me very excited, especially reading into the statement "at least not visually" which leads me to believe the rest of the aircraft are pretty much done! Also since LNS indicated the visual aspect is on of the last steps on the F-14 that makes me thing the Viggen and maybe Corsair are coming up on a final stage!!!! Yea, I am over analyzing, but what else are we here for???

Honestly we are approaching having too many interceptors and light trainers. I think a couple new attack aircraft and a helo would be refreshing. We currently have three trainers and three aircraft primarily made to chase down and blow up bombers (Not so fun after the 4th or 5th time). Out of the total aircraft in the sim that is a pretty large chunk. I'm happy we are getting a true air to air beast (F-14) and and even a anti ship/ground attack (AJS 37) DCS is more than up to handling Carrier ops. I've seen so much done by mods that it will be easily achievable once actual devs work at it. Check out the carrier mods. I have more faith in LNS delivering the F-14 than any other third party or even ED delivering on anything else. I agree that a DCS MiG 29 and SU 27 would be a dream come true, but I would be equally interested in the 15/16/18

Like I have said multiple times, I would prefer the E variant, or a realistic addition. If it is totally unrealistic for more than two Magic IIs to ever have been on a C version, as in the aircraft or missile simply were not capable or some other blocking feature existed, so be it. Also no one is failing to respect Razbams choice here, I have said many times I am very happy with my purchase. . . That doesn't mean I can't find myself wishing it had better teeth in air to air encounters. As far as how it looks? It looks like some people saying they would like an E variant :D No one is asking Razbam to drop everything and do that, and we certainly don't want them to leave the 2000C in it's current very unfinished state. Heck there were people asking what the next aircraft would be months before release! I for one would love Razbam to be the first third party to expand upon a released aircraft with new variants. I think there is massive potential for such a thing and the development time in some cases would be less than a new aircraft like the Harrier. I would kill for the 2000N too!

Agreed. it appears the M-2000C started on the Falcons 6. If there is any US bird that could give the mirage a run in the merge on STT and ITR it should be the F-16

Do you actually fly on MP? I am guessing no. You seem to have a strong opinion against PVP in many of your posts but it strikes me that it is something you seem to have little experience with... My primary concern, as well as that of all the guys I regularly fly with is to get back alive, kills or not. So you are saying fire the BVR, a single magic then run leaving the target still in the fight? You realize you are not only breaking contact which now puts you in a bad position, but also giving the enemy your six so using your remaining Magic II will require you to simply reengage. This tactic makes no sense to me. With the M-2000Cs limited stores it is hard to engage even a single aircraft without expending everything. Valid point, my understanding was the Mirage was not actually intended to be a primary service fighter anyway, but that is was originally designed for export

That wasn't strictly my question. What the charts don't say is what happens to your airspeed during said turn, right? There is were I think the Eagle may do better. Maybe even the MiG. I haven't tested it much since this is beta. Good kills on that video, I don't know what the second MiG 21 was doing but I think he had totally lost sight... Loose sight, loose fight. Too bad the MiG 21 is the only bird in game I feel confident in my ability to take on ATM

I guess I should be asking Razbam why the C version then :music_whistling: To be clear, I would like the E version the most. I would like twin Magic pylons if either such a thing could have or did exist just to make the M2000C more viable. IIRC the R-77 was not largely fielded, yet having it on the MiG 29 is a whole different story than getting it on the 27. The KA-50 was a limited prototype yet we have it in the sim. Saying asking for twin missile pylons will lead to all realism being thrown out the window is pretty extreme. @ Tharos about the Grom.... I think you are failing to understand the difference between realistic and reality. The Grom was not put on MiG 21Bis, but the Grom required a radar that was put on the Bis version and had the exact same capabilities needed to fire the missile (from what I have heard) so it literally would have been as simple as mounting the weapon and wiring it to fire. . . Did it happen in real life? Not to our knowledge. Could it have been done? Easily. Have SU-27s and F-15s fought over the black sea in real life? H$$$ no. Do they in DCS? YES. This is the difference between what is and what could be, and our Sandbox Sim deals with what could be as much as it does what is.

OMG YES. LNS kills 'em all. Best 3rd party, hands down, and there are some great 3rd parties out there! You guys realize how refreshing it is to here a dev say it won't be released until it is right/no long unfished betas? HECK YES We totally support you LNS. Cannot wait to climb into those three sexy birds, and we are dying for the reveal of the Viggen and Corsair. :pilotfly:

Well RL is nice but obviously were we are concerning DCS is were is applies

I say to some degree on the R-3R because I haven't seen conclusive proof either way about it performance, so I assume it to be true, even though my perception is the opposite (It isn't effective for me) Where do you base this information? I had a USAF Lt. Col who was assigned to the USAF Weapons School tell me that even the latest 120C could be defeated by evasive maneuvering in a BVR shot, provided you knew it was coming and could afford to maneuver. This article https://defenseissues.wordpress.com/2013/08/17/evading-air-to-air-missile/ also strongly backs up everything he told me. You make it sound like a 530D isn't beatable once fired within parameters. I think your perception of these weapons capability is far too high. The R-3R is like a front aspect old sidewinder. Just because I evaded BVR shouldn't and in my experience haven't prevented me from sometimes getting off my head to head shots.

Thanks for this info! Tanks in the 104th now then?

Your note speaking for everyone. Nearly every Mirage pilot I've spoke to online would love another couple Magics. Read my post more carefully. I said the addition of the Grom was believable and realistic because it could have been done. I never talked about its flight model in the game... Come to think of it tho, it is a bean riding radar guided missile... So are SARH??? That is beside the point, you seem to have a lot of beef with the MiG 21 for whatever reason. Purism is a mandate of the simulator? Realism and purism are not the same thing and ED themselves have made many many maaaany realistic departures to make the sim work that wouldn't make any sense if purism was the mandate. How could one explain the FC3 series if that is the case? Finally you quoted me incorrectly, again you should read my post more carefully. I said your statement had way too many "AFIAK" "in theory" blah blah and so forth for ED to treat your opinion like hard data. Asking... I say again, ASKING (not demanding) for implementation of twin missile pylons of the ARMAT, but which are not guesstimating but rather very realistic possibilities for this aircraft is totally different then me demanding changes to something just because I don't like how it is. I enjoy the M-2000C for what it is, but I would like additions or new variants that make it more capable in the DCS sandbox. To me, and sadly, the M-2000C feels like a real fighter stuck in a 1950s interceptors body... And unable to unleash its potential thanks to such limited stores. I find myself crying out to Dassault in the middle of dogfights in the 104th "Why in gods name did you only give me 4 missiles!!!" Lol The best option by far would be to get a E model or something like that. I said that from the start. I think was is disappointing in a way is we finally have a 4th gen fighter that otherwise could be so capable but just falls short of the mark. I guess maybe if we are lucky Razbam will decide to give us another variant, an upgrade, or they of another dev will pick a more capable aircraft down the road. The repurposed interceptors, trainers, ground attack birds and the like are all fun in there own right, but hold us back from the confrontation of equally capable weapons systems many want. Well we still have the F-18 in the pipe I reckon.

The R-3R we have in the sim is a reverse engineered radar guided Aim-9G. Despite talk about how much it needs to be nerfed (I use it for front aspect shots which my opposition is often caught off guard by and it still misses more than it hits) a front aspect shot is what it was partially designed for and it still misses easily if the target takes basic evasive action. It may be better than it should be to some degree but that has nothing to do with why I've done well against the M-2000C, as the 530D even in its current form has a far better range and guidance system. You guys realize how much work it takes to actually get an R-3R in the air right? The reason I almost only use them in head on passes is because God help you to get a lock in a dog fight.... I'm not saying it doesn't need adjustment but I don't get a lot of kills with it in PVP. Whatever advantage is may have that it shouldn't is more than offset by the PITA they are to use. More often than not I ditch them for R-60s

This is a valid point and something they REALLY need to fix right away. By "another simulator" do you mean *cough* BMS? *cough* You missed my point, brother, I wasn't disputing MiG 21s being shot down by more modern fighters, just poking at the phraseology of "Just flying up and shooting them in the face" as I feel fighter pilots would not be so flippant even in engaging a Gen 3+ fighter. Besides real MiGs being shot down by other fighters is kind of off the M-2000C vs MiG 21 topic, since I brought all this up talking about performance in the sim. I missed this from a couple pages back, Hummindbird. Yes agreed pilot skill is a major factor and the M-2000C has better capability than the 21, although like I said the 21 has enough minor advantages to help make up for the larger weaknesses. That being said though you said the Mirage will be a more agile F-15 when done, by the strong impression I have gotten from reading and from the devs is that the M-2000C does bleed quite a bit of energy, and that it backed up by HUD videos I have seen pursuing the web. In fact I think even the large F-15 manages energy better than the Delta wing M-2000C. Am I wrong for thinking so?