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Later series MiG-19P with R-3S capability. We are thinking about the probability to include the MiG-19S.

The MiG-19 was to be developed after the 23.

Hello all, First of all, I would like to apologize to all those who where waiting for a DCS MiG-23 really hard. You can be sure I was one of them. As the MiG-23 was not authorized, we started to push our second project which is the MiG-19. I´ve been swiming in MiG-19s and MiG-19 documentation for the past two months as at the beginning it was supposed that we would have more time to gather all the necessary data and as a consequence, some info is still missing. We appreciate any help.:D A new historically acurrate MiG-19P model is being made. I will be posting some work in progress pictures of the new MiG-19 model around next week.

Have you been reading this thread?

16º in a turn radius chart? Can you post that chart?:noexpression: No doubt about that, you amost fly like a small Cessna in that setting. I´m just not sure if any pilot would like to be with a 16º wing at more than 700km/h under 4000m (13000ft), and also take such a penalty in acceleration. That´s why most charts for combat perfomance are for 45º and 72º only. Pilots had the best results in between 33º-35º positions. That´s why a 33º position was added to the MLDs. You think so? I think I was too gentle. That´s what I thought. It´s not. But don´t quote me on this, I´m still doing my research.:D That´s for an 12 750Kg aircraft. Full internal fuel is about 3700Kg and a combat loaded aircraft weights about 14 800Kgs.

More akin to the F-4 yes, but considering all parameters equal, the MiG-23ML has a 40-70m shortest turn radius in STR and a biger G reserve. But that´s at 45º wing angle, remeber you can control this. At slightly reduced angles, angular velocities and radius for turn improve. However, as you said before, it´s really a far cry from the MiG-29, being 2 Gs and around 200m better in STR. I will check por ITR later. What is the source for this info? SPO-10, the same as in MiG-21Bis. Only the MiG-23MLD got an SPO-15. (the same as MiG-29, su-27, etc.)

The Kh-23(X-23) is an upgraded variant of the Kh-66 for use in the MiG-23. Their propulsion system is different, also the guidance system as well. The Kh-23 packs a stronger warhead.

Neither of those are the flight operations manual. The first is about the aerodinamics fo both ML and UB, and the second is the operational manual for ground crew.

What you don´t know is that that model is not the one that´s going to be used. That one is just a quick sketch i made a few months ago and we are just passing some time talking about it. I also model things by measuring myself the real thing as i worked with it for a few years. But hey! This is the internet, people love to make dramas out of anything.:lol: Ok, just so everybody understand and I can stop posting in english here: I have been talking with Skylark to get the better drawings with the better scale possible for the new model. Of course he is wright in everything. I just found it so funny that he appeared suddenly like a ninja from a smoke bomb and started to directly use words like "everything wrong", "unconvincing", "many errors" that I was playing the stuborn one just for fun. Now, let me work.

I´m sure this is what some of you were talking about.

I´m sorry, but we almost get the same result. :huh: Post a top view if you can.

What I´m trying to tell you is that MLAs used the CM bars, but they were all field modifications (or mostly all), so no available photos or documents at the moment. The first photo is a MiG-23MLA fighting alonside MLDs in Afganistan. You are talking with the Razbam team right now. I´m just saying that CM are a possibility to be included.

Presumably all MLAs and MLs were converted to MLD standard and then acquired the CM bars. However, in Afganistan MLD and ML soldiered together. And here you can see that UBs were modified to also carry CMs. If you look well, you can glimpse the bars. I think we can agree that the original MLs were also modified.

Here you have a side view as you asked whatsoever.:D I also did compare.

I´m not trying to say that the MiG-19 is better than a Mirage III, it´s not. I´m just talking about the aircraft.:D

The CM bars are easily mounted on any ML variant. Most probaly not. Export MLs have two Tomcats on their tally. Let me repeat that again: "export"...:) I have always wondered from where some people bring these facts. I have here the manuals (not the internet manuals) of the Mirage F1C and the F-4E and you´d be pretty impressed how more maneuverable and energetic the MiG-23ML is compared to them. If we are talking about the first variants, the yes, they were not that maneuverable, but now we need to concentrate on ML and above. Many people seem to forget a few things. A variable geometry wing, a new 13 Tons thrust engine and a lighter and stronger airframe. Yes, the wing have 3 pre-settled positions in the lever: 16-45-72, which are supposed to be for TO-L, dogfight, acceleration-supersonic flight. hint: a good pilot will not be limited by this. endofthehint. R-24Ts were getting kills at drones at 32km distances. Real pilots seem to disagree with you. The Mirage was downed by an R-60M missile fired from the rear. The MiG-23 pair had an altitude advantage and were able to turn into the Mirages turn circle without problem. Before this, one of the Mirages was locked on at about 27 km by the pair wingman but for unknow reasons it did not fire an R-24R.

If we are talking only about jet engines, then your´re right. I use to follow the rule of supersonic flight, and in that case the MiG-19 and F-100 are first generation. (First aircraft to attain supersonic speed at level flight still not capable of reaching Mach 2, etc...)

Sorry, but I´m positive it´s first generation. This is highly overestimated. It could probably detect a MiG-19 sized target at about 30km, maybe even less. At low altitude things get worse. Also, the MiG-19 is maneuverable and have very good dynamic characteristics for the time frame, I will check for the tables later.

Thanks :D I´m aware of them, we can continue this on PM so to not flood the russian forum with english language.

Hello, I will not use google translator as it´s a mess as you may know. I only understand technical russian, so I write in english here, and I´ve been reading your debate over here. about MiG-23MLA we have: 1) Experience. 2) All technical documentation. 3) All the quality advice you can get. I just want to make clear that pilots are operators, they do know how to fly but the technical details of what they are flying often scape their undestanding with the exception of maybe test pilots and those other that are really interested to learn. I hope you all really want the MiG-23 to be a thing. Now if someone is so kind to correctly translate this.

OMG! these never get old... :lol: I was smart enough at the beginning to not be caught. There´re also a lot more to burn people, but I will not waste them by talking about them here. The sanitary paper that pass as sandpaper to new mechanics... that one´s epic. (LOLZ!!) ps: clean paper, you twisted minds...

:lol: And on other news...

Hello, has something happened? I see lot of excitement around here...

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