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ouhh yes plox the banterz will be glorious ! :megalol:

R3R is ICBM intercept missile, everyone knows that. And here I am, waiting for the RB05 air to air kills.

This all sounds very promising !

Ah kay, wasnt sure had to many people beeing confused by it. :lol: Yeah, one of many military projects that stalled on both sides of the iron curtain post 1990. I would say the KA50 is probably the best gunship, KA52 is a formidable reconnaissance platform, but the downscale on armor although it technically has a bigger cockpit to cover and the lower power to weight ratio spoilt it a bit for greatest gunship. The thing I would love to see in DCS is an Tiger UHT module. While it does not have a gun, dont get me started about some choices here xD, it does have a very large FOV FLIR in the nose with the obligatory picture projected into helmet blah, but the main things I do really love about it are the mas sight and the ATGMs it uses. The mast sight is according to info supplied by the army capable of reading a license plate at 15km distance, meanwhile the PARS3 LR is an imaging IR lock on after launch fire and forget pretty CM resistant salvofieable beast. :D mark 4 targets with the sight looking over the cover, pop out to the side or pop up, 4 ATGMS salvo fired, run/hide. :DD And even if there are inidcations the Tiger is in the works somewhere I doubt it will see the light, if at all, within the next 5 years.

What I said or wanted to point out, apparently I a terrible at zis, for literally forevar since round 7 thread where the Idea Ka50 needs le bomber call already poped up. THX !

I said: " And technically KA50s where never used as target designation helicopters. KA29s with the rubikon where used for that. But thats really no point for blueflag." So yeah that exactly means what you said. Rubikon is the name of the computer/targeting electronics suite the KA50 and target designation ka29 have in common. [including the shkval to my knowledge.] [Which implies that the KA50 technically can both designate and laser designate.] And as I said, thats irrelevant for blue flag. Just an interesting fact. :D There is very few info about that stuff and I did put quite some research in to find out how the ka29/ka50 tandem worked. Thats why I shared it. :)

Yeah, while the Gazelle would loose lots of capability, in general having it as a armed troop transport would be great in the same way. The fun part is really sneaking around. :D

Everything is interesting to use. We had one mysterious uh1 pilot not on comms which cleared and entire FARP with its miniguns. And as stated, no problem with helis beeing recon platforms. Just beeing confused why to add something good to something which is already really good. :D

I would interpret that as you have never flown the gazelle and are making an bold statement to get me started. Because if you did fly it, you would know that its practically impossible to attack anything with the 342l, due the inflexible gunmount, taking out shilkas is technically possible with terrain masking up to a range of like 500-700m. But I doubt attacking a group of 3-4 shilkas is possible, your only possibility is to engage them before they get a firing solution. Maybee 2 if you have good controlls and get lucky. 23-2s are not a problem but shilkas simply are to "accurate". You cant wiggle a bit to screw over their lead either due to the fixed mount. The 342M is overloaded if you take full fuel and 4 hots already, irl standard loadout would be pretty much 2 HOT3s. I dont think that is sufficient for attacking anything in blue flag [its even lacking to take out SA6 sites, since you can repair them unless you fire your whole ordanance]. To come to the point of range, 4.3km vs. 8km might not seem like a big deal. The Area you have to consider though for search operations is roughly 4 times as big. [53km^2 vs ~205km^2]. You practically cant move while engaging with a gazelle M either, nor can you lock a target. So while you can attack stuff succesfully. You would need 3 gazelle pilots to engage with HOT missiles to even get the vikhr numbers equalized. Not speaking about glorious s8 and the shipunov. So its less an issue of pilot skill then of frame capability as far as my analysis goes. I dont say its an superweapon and again, cite me if I did state that somewhere. I just did state, the KA50 is way more powerfull then any of the gazelle variants. I do not get why it gets another powerfull feature. I didnt say OMG OVERPOWERZ PLOX NURF. I didnt mean that either. I didnt say OMG REDFOR SHITTY PILOTZ YOU NEED BOMBER CALL IN TO BE COMPETITIVE. I did mean to state though that I think that the average KA50 performance made it easier to make it seem like an acceptable Idea to give it the intel menu. :D And I will say, yes the KA50 is no overpowered deathstar, but it is a deathstar, with the corresponding weaknesses. :D I think KA50 on one side, a10c on the other is a pretty okay deal. I really do not know what frame I would rate more capable in blueflag. I do not want to remove anything, I am just stating that I do not get why it got the intel menu, already beeing one of the most capable frames in a2g. While the gazelle is one of the least capable frames. [Honestly I rate the Mirage with 8 mk82s a way better option then a Gazelle M without the bomber.] I think it would be only fair if you got 4 mi8 and 2 ka50 slots. Or two ka50 slots in the really downgraded variant and intel, 2 no restrictions no intel ka50 slots and two mi8 slots. We atm have 2 342m 2 342l and 2 uh1 slots. And while they are performance wise worse then the russian helis, I do not care at all. We have 6 heli slots [although then I want muh 342l cargo fixed, atm it only works on BE-TL farp.], you should get them as well. With your respective frames. Naah definetly not snarky. :D I am actually known for beeing to much on the search for the most neutral analysis. :DD so yeah. Dunno what to say about that one, made my day. :DD For the last time. I do not even request removal of the KA50 intel call out. I just state, that I think its not a reasonable decision that it got it. If you have a good reason why ka50s should get it and not special slot mi8s, please explain maybee I am really overseeing something important, So now lemme get back to work. :D By that I am a capitalist pig it seems. Damn. :D Edit: I do not mind which equipment I am fighting with. I did advocate the m2k removal at front line bases as well. If something seems irrational to me, I state that. Doesnt mean that I am correct or anything. Again, I do make my side choice on the people I want to fly with, not which equipment I get, nor how many we are. [Tblisi defence force intensifies.]

To clarify I did not mean to complain about the fact that the KA50 has the intel menu. I did want to state why I think its an ridicoulous choice. And technically KA50s where never used as target designation helicopters. KA29s with the rubikon where used for that. But thats really no point for blueflag. Helicopters can carry 3 kub launchers. Its more competitive event then real world scenario simulation. And thats not an fault or anything just pointing it out.

The salt is pretty much everywhere. :lol:

I didnt said panhead. :D You know the deal with random pilots not on Comms. :D :lol: Edit: 1337 engliszh. didnt said, gonna leave it for le banterz

+1

AFAIK it has no dedicated AA mode. The AA mode is "point the radar upwards in AG mode". Obviously you can range but there is no lock or track feature, neither an aim9 seeker head slew.

I am curious if we will be able to spot an ka50 on the ground at something like 15-20km with the a/g Radar. I mean its a pretty big chunk of metall sitting in a pretty non reflective, more refracting area. Would be usefull against sneaky helis which try to evade detection by landing. )))

Agreed, everything with a radio could get some features like artillery barage and or bomber. On the same page we could get higher end SAMs. Would like it but its really up to waht the blueflag team has time for. :D :)) yup

Muh spider senses are tingling and are crying hyperbole but I am trying to answer reasonably anyway. Dunno if any of my phrasing is easily misunderstood due to english not beeing my mother tongue or me just using wording that is differently interpreted by other people. Would both not be the first time that happend to me. x) I dont assume all redfor ka50 pilots are incapable. And I would never assume they are due to a feature added for them. :D I based my statement about a high percentage of incapable ka50 pilots on my experience with them during round 6 and 7. At the same time I would NOT rate the percentage of incapable A10c pilots higher, nor lower. Both are counting towards the more complex modules. And either people cant handle that, cant be bothered to read the manual or are just lacking the experience. Its plain wrong that nobody asked for it. I know it was a ridiculous minority which asked for the intel menu on KA50s. Thats why I am even more confused why it got added. To come to the point of my original post considering the addition of this feature. I did not claim nor want to claim that redfor asked for it or was in need for it. I just wanted to state why I think its an bad choice. To make a tl;dr out of it. We agree that some kind of similarity in capability between opposing sides frames is something desirable. The Ka50 is a helicopter purely developed as a combat machine, trimmed to operation by one crew and has weapons systems specifically engineered for the job. The Gazelle is a civil helicopter tailored to two crew operation, with some originally not even intended for air to ground use weapon systems strapped onto it and declared a military vehicle. So we have the complete opposite of "some kind of similarity in capability" here. The Gazelle got the intel menu due to its scout helicopter type of flavour and probably to even the ground with the KA50 a bit. And as I did state before, I think by that "some kind of similarity in capability" was achieved. While not comparable in performance you could achieve similar results in the department of dealing damage to an asset. That is what I mean, not more, not less. Adding the 342s main feature in terms of offensive capability against assets to the Ka50 as well is just beyond me. I neither see the need, nor do I get the reason. That is the whole of my standpoint I strafed to phrase in my last post. After all it doesnt limit the fun I have, honestly you could give me an H34 and I would probably have equal the amount of fun flying it. I dont think "some kind of similarity in capability" is a necessity. But since the biggest part of forum active users seems to be for that, I am applying that set of rules, by which the intel menu addition to the ka50 makes as much sense as giving more powerfull BVR weapons to the f15 without changing the su27 loadout or countering m2k with mig21s. Not at all. For the numbers, I dont find it enjoyable either. I did choose blue because the people I like to fly with are on blue. I have the time, technically I could just hop into a gazelle, bomb the shit out of everything while nearly no reds are online, have some random arse failing uh1 pilot bring troops and just bring the round to an end. I will not, thats not fun, if I want to do that, I do setup a mission in singleplayer for that experience I do not need blueflag. :D Also I am annoyed by the people on blue which leave if their side is in the minority. Like wtf why. I dont get why you would leave if your side is already in the minority. :D On that subject: [ame] [/ame] ))) And while the ka50 change confuses me, I am still convinced of pilot > equipment. So none of the mimimi you interpreted is actually present. Well I did put thought into the MI8 part, AFAIK one can put different CTLD option for different unit groups. So put 2 mi8 as task transport with no intel menue and 2 mi8 as task CAS with the intel menu. Done. Imho the mi8 is still by miles a better helicopter then the gazelle but thats up for debate. :D So yea, hope I could clarify my standpoint. I will probably not answer any further hyperbolic interpretations of my posts, unless I am in the mood for a mud fight so be advised. :D Same now. We got nalchik beslan and mozdok. I wanted to fly today around this time, point is why should I fly if its 12vs2. I do not see the point in joining 12 people stomping 2 others. No fun here either. And I agree with Moltar, I think the amount of recent modules on bluefor is a factor. And as I said to reaper yesterday, I will prob join Red on the next round if the same setup is present. I am missing both Mi8 and Ka50. [Disclaimer: If Viggen is released i will be blue. Viggen > everything. :DD]

I still dont get why people compare the ka50 to the gazelle. The Ka50 is a gunship packed with powerfull features. You have the autopilot, the PVI800, the ABRIS, not to speak off vikhrs and the targeting functions. If you want to make gazelle and KA50 equal, okay, make it equal. Let all ka50s spawn with the ABRIS bluescreen. Take all external stores from it, the built in gun is already better then anything a Gazelle can load in either versions, not to speak about targeting means. Load it with 2 additional tons so its as overweight as the gazelle is with IR deflector and 4 HOT missiles when at full fuel. Then they are pretty much comparable in power. Dont get me started on landing, do you even know what you are talking about ? The gazelle starts taking damage if you land at a higher vertical speed then roughly 1,3m/s. Atm its not even safe below 0,8m/s due to buggyness. Depending on wind you get into vortex even before 2m/s and there is no powering out of vortex in a gazelle. [Even if aerodynamically not impossible you are blowing your engine and breaking the mechanical connection to the tail rotor. Never thought about anything like that in a KA50 right ?] In a KA50 you have a beefy landing gear, I do not know when you start to take damage but its definetly way later then 1.3m/s. Also the ka50 doesnt get in a vortex anyway near as easy and just can recover at the edges of the envelope with a lot of colletive. I have done shit like switch of engines, release gear, while beeing laser'd by IRST autorotate/roll into the next freakin forrest to hide. Not even dreaming about pulling off similar things in a gazelle..... I am shocked that the amount of incapable KA50 pilots has lead to this uneven balancing act. I do not request everyone to have the SA of reaper. Seriously hat off to him, he is really rocking the stealth theme. But you dont need to be as good as reaper to perform better then a gazelle. Its just beyond me how one can give the ka50 the bomber call in. I allways felt the pain of mig21 vs. m2k. I welcome the change that the f5e is its counterpart now. The bomber call in to the ka50 is like putting a special ballance feature for the mig21 which never existed, on the mirage, because mirage pilots are to shitty to use their better plane to deliver better performance. OMG WHAY ?!? I mean seriously the Gazelle is fun to fly, to FLY not fun to ENGAGE WITH. Even only the feature, course hold + radar alt hold. Holy smokes I wished I had that in the Gazelle just for looking out of the windows for SA. Not to speak about any fancy features as fly to designated point with the shkval and stuff. I have to say that is the first decision I really do not get at all. :D Not even to speak about performance in the mountains.... just WTF seriously. EDIT: If red wants a helicopter bomber call in, i get that, but then give it to the mi8, not the KA50.

Two GCI frequencies plus Teamspeak plus one strike/heli frequency is totally managable. The only problem is that SRS gets distroted if two channels talk at the same time, and that you have to put people into a queue and talk to the most urgent request first. Its a thrilling experience. :D Best thing happening to me in blueflag so far : killed an su25T with radar, honestly I only saw it in Tacview, I was flying without alignment so I was turning to find the correct canyon to scan in the mountains. I shortly iluminated him in helical scan, he pulled down to terrain mask against me, that worked, never saw him at that time, thing is he insta crashed into the terrain. :DD In the same flight a wild not on comms mirage and I maneuver killed two AI mig29. :D Will make my return today/tonight I guess. )))

I am at the same time curious what the Gazelle AND KA50 could get and worried since the ka50 outfeatures both gazelles by miles already. :D But hey I am staying positive. :D The only thing I would can think of, both things could have without breaking stuff would be some kind of targets designation capability which would be extremely cool. But I have literally no Idea how that should work. So yeah I am holding my horses and look forward to the round start ! :D

That is good and correct ! :)

+1 EDIT/EDIT: Micro is of blind, 342l now is of happiness to have le intel menue. Micro is of happy, even without cargo hauling capability ! ;)

To keep it simple, if the doppler frequency, the shift as you call it, exceeds the PRF, you cant tell anymore if its under the PRF or a doppler frequency multiplied by a factor you are looking at. Same as with the range. If the echo takes longer then the listening time you cant tell if you are listening to an echo from the cycle which is running at that moment or one of the impulses before. If you want to get your brain even more confused here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frequency_ambiguity_resolution :D have fun :D Yes we are derailing it, a bit at least. Or lets say evolving the original theme. :D The initial question was already answered wasnt it ? EDIT: Thx for the info will have a look.

Its not about when to use what, that is easy ans well understood. :D The question is what happens on a technical level in the real thing in the real plane. How does the signal look like, what does the doppler filter reject in what mode and what does the computer have to deal with afterwards. :D Last time I read the manual there was no big theoretical part about pulse doppler radar functionality. :D EDIT: just checked the manual again, no unexpected theoretical part about pulse doppler radar signal processing ! :D

High power because you are transmitting with full radar power for a longer time, as Bushmanni said, up to 50% duty cycle. More emitted power, more reflected power, easier detection. Vice versa low duty cycle low amount of transmited power low amount of reflected power low range. Low PRF cant use doppler filter [forgot that one myself] because the maximum doppler frequency you could technically identify is the PRF, and that often doesnt bring you further then a few 100kph. So completly unusable for a lookdown radar mounted on a supersonic fighter. Thank you for the explanations Bushmanni ! Really brought some light in the hole stuff. So, Am I correct, assuming that for removing the problem of detecting a nearly 0 relative velocity target against the sky you simply switch the doppler filter off, as soon as that is implemented, and you only switch to low prf if its below the horizon and hope the target reflection is stronger then the ground returns you are getting ? That would actually make sense to me :D