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Id settle for a single optimised crater right now. In any map.

DC3? Is that a mod?

You and my missus need to have a talk!

Thanks again Taz and Bossco! I would say Ive been tinkering for many years but Im not knowledgable. Managed to brick a flash drive this afternoon and we wont mention the 2060, MB and RAM i killed a couple of years back with a ham fisted hacked power connection!! After a little buggering about tonight Im pretty certain that undervolting my 1080 is not an option as I need every frame and the heat throttle reduction just doesnt equate to what maxing the power and temp limits plus a 100/500 OC gives (and can be controlled to a stable 70 degrees even in my old Lan Boy box). But it was a good learning excercise. There is a small amount of throttling from the 2050 max clock (down to 2025-2012) but this equate to a single frame per second. Undervolting takes a frame away from the base score whilst the OC adds 6 frames per second (again nothing really unexpected) to it. Im hoping to get that frame lost to the throttling back with the new case although it it wasnt the reason I bought it. These OC setting are well within what Ive seen done to the MSI Gaming X I have so should be stable. A different card with some headroom will likely be a different story and I will return to the undervolt then. When it comes to the 5600X however, everthing Ive seen from the sources I trust say PBO2 and undervolting is the way forward so thats the direction Ill head, at least intially. I really appreacite the adivce given by you both. Its given me the push I needed to start an upgrade Ive been putting off for a year.

Ive not owed an AMD processor since the FX55 back in 2004 so the more help the better as i am a little awed by the changes in the way stuff works. Ive seen a lot about undervolting it using the Master software (and POB??) so its something Im going to certaily try. Ive aslo bought a decent Lan Li 215 airflow case, recommended by Nexus Gaming so I may, just end up RGB-ing the crap outta it too! Shown the missus pictures of it next to plant pot but shes still insistent its remains in the cupboard.

I have both afterburner beta and Riva so I will do some playing once the new CPU is up and running. Ill have a look at those videos of Point Blank to. I issue isnt really getting a solid 60 but a solid 80 given the impacts that triggered actions in mission scripts can have. Ill start off low and work up. Thanks bubby.

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Thank you Bossco, Ill keep an eye out for those weekends. I only paid £470 for it thanks to a pricing error by Scan which they gracefully honoroed (and which I've repaid with loyality!!). Im kinda excited but a same time naffed off as the money was going to go on a couple more modules (mossie and apache) and some new outboard gear but since I cant fly on any map but the Caucauses and (mostly) PG at decent settings even in stable, I think a system upgrade is due. Dont expect miracles by retaining the 1080 for now but hopefully in due course with a new(er) GPU also installed I may be able to stop chasing frames for a while and maybe even up the settings a little. Its a shame that the sim requires a nuclear option to run it. I really feel for those who have crap exchange rates or stupidly high import taxes (or just familes and other demands). I think theres enough politics going on after 2.7.7 about priorities but improvements to the core are really needed more than ever otherwise a large swathe of the player base will simply be lost in the arms race. Ironic that ED has decided to bring out a module named after an indigenous people heavily persecuted and exploited by get rich quick scalpers in these times....

I think some of it leaked into my system...

Can you spend that $200 elsewhere and get better performance than 2 less CL? Yup the buttons have all been pressed. I did look at other kits but I had a budget and the more expensive kit came within it. I did have my reasons such as it being dual ranked and tighter in timing overall, it being a good compromise of speed and latency and it being listed on the Msi compatibility as being acceptable for 4 dims on the board. Is it worth the extra? I genuinely would not know but I had itchy fingers and hype probably got to me! I will try and hold out for an msi gaming X. the 1080 I have is gaming X and it is a great card. And an indulgence today may be the bare minimum requirement for the next patch!!! Thanks again for all your help and advice.

Dads Army

@NineLine you can pick any stock missions for me and the performance drop is the same across them all. Ive also tranplanted different modules in many of them and whilst the baseline differs the same 10-15pfs drop occurs between Stable and OB regardless of module employed. Ive also tested many of them with Full Screen options on and off but again, whilst there may be some placebolic effects in flow, the base fps continues to demonstrate the same drops btween Stable and OB. The problem is compounded for me with the hits to the cpu that triggers within missions cause. Flags and AI activations, mortars firing and even ogg files triggering heavily impact on the CPU. Destruction Zones are also very costly in terms of fps. But thats not an OB issue. As such the demand on my CPU isnt merely getting enough grunt to produce about 60 fps for the vsync and the head tracking but finding the additional headroom on top to support those hits in addition. An unscentifiic and grahical benchmark for this would be being able to produce no less than 75 - 85 fps minimum at any time in any given mission in order to ensure this. At 20000ft this isnt an issue and in missions when thats where the trigger action starts its all good. It does occur to me that perhaps some if not more of us Non- VRers in this thread happen to be helo players or mud pushers and, as such, more prone to finding themselves in situations where perhaps their meek and aged systems are straining. Which, in turn, may, may, go some way to explaing why the fps reduction is not unversally experienced even if it may be unversally present. Probably the best stock example I can think of to demonstrate these impacts is the Mi24 PG Disaster Relief quick mission. By no means a heavy mission in terms of unit activity in itself but barely playable for me in stable and utterly unplayable in OB due to the constant presence of destruction, clouds, smoke and low level flight.

OT and you may already have the stuff done but I recently switched off the Gamma Correction in the NVCP and this helped a lot with shimmer even at 2X MSAA. Not perfect but helped a lot.

Dxdiag attached to add to previous trk etc. DxDiag.txt

Genuine question but how do people cope with 40fps? Iuse only an old Sammy TX so I am tried to vsync but having it disabled is a horrible experience.

2080Tis are £875 in CEX with a 2 year warranty. Id get about £260 for my 1080 according to they and they have been fair in the past but Id want to see the brand. MSI 3070ti going for £1100. I think the 2080ti will be on in a couple of months but right now Im still smarting from the £700 hole in my bank account.

Same issues. Clean FXO and Meta, clean NV cache 1 of 2 - trk of stable to follow BETA 2.7.7 HIND Cauc WP dcs_OB.log dcs_Stable.log options.lua Stable trk Stable 2.7 Hind Cauc WR Win 10 1904, I5 6600K at 4.3Ghz OC, GTX 1080 Stock, 32GB 3000hz RAM @ XMP1.

£250 for 32GB of Gskill Dual Stacked CL16 16 16 36 3600 Ram - ouch! Its like 2008 all over again! It had better boot!

720P? @BIGNEWY I have installed the Stable Version and between the OB and Stable there is, on average a 16 fps difference in any given mission when the system is running ok. Thats 20% on my rig. Configs are Identical and Im running the very latest GPU drivers (Ive have also tried my old favoured 425 NV drivers with the same results). There clearly is a problem, even if it is just for some. I am happy to provide trks for both but is there any other information you also need?

Thank you for your replies and some affirmation of my own thoughts! The Graph is (I think) RIVA beta but I'll be damned if I can get it to tell me anything meaningful other than "get new gear" :-). What it does tell me is that DCS behaves like no other title in terms of not letting go of RAM, hogging VRAM and generally thrashing everything it can. Taking the great advice offered Im going to opt for a 5600X paired with an MSI Tomahawk X570 MB (my M2s are both 4th Gen so why not?) and a decent 2X16GB of CL16 3600 RAM (I cant bring myself to spend on 4X 8GB sticks in the sure knowledge that it wont be long before DCS will need 64GB and am probably not clever or patient enough to max out a CL14 kit, so Ill soak the hit and get another set down the road). Obviously the Gskill Trident Z neo is the product oft touted but, at 51, I really want to leave the RGB lightshow in my lad's room and feel the less flub there is in terms of additional software required, the better. The RipJaws appear to be come in the same spec but nowhere can I find anything in the marketing blurb about them being optimised for Ryzen. I stopped reading tests though when one stated they couldnt recommend the RipJaws due to their limited colour availablity! Cooling wise, I am tempted by the big Nocturas but will likely go mid range with a Pure Rock 2 as I wont be doing any manual OCs but may shove some Noctura case fans in. Call be old skool but electricity and water an not great bed fellows so its air all the way. All told then about £750 if Im clever and patient with purchasing. Down the line in the months to come I may eventually pair them with a 3070Ti (price dependent) or even a used 2080Ti from CEX so my lad can play his AAA titles with my old 1080. Thanks again for you help fellas.

about 10 fps hopefully

No breath held. I have enough to keep me entertained with the Hind's basics and getting back into the game after several months away without having to revert lucky for me. In additon whilst some of the hinds quick missions are stuttery, they play smoothly with the Hip of the Shark as a sub so, again, things to keep me happy. For the sentiments expressed in this this thread though I do hold a lot of sympathy even if I do not entirely agree with to totalism of some of the comments. I have to balance the ying with the yang and I recognize that, for me at least and for now, the game usually plays as well if not better than in 2016 when I picked it back up again after LOMAC whilst looking much improved. Sure I could list a 100 things that irk me but I could do the same for any other flight sim as well.

Lets hope actions speak louder than words