dundun92

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That was the weapons set of the first edition actually, and I do intend to repeat it in a later edition. Just wanted to mix things up, as the last two editions were both with AMRAAMs.

AFAIK PESA doesnt have multiple beams, it just moves its beam extremely quickly. AESA can definitely have multiple beams at once.

Flares are pretty simple. You need to get as many flares you can get out in as short a time period; flares are just a dice roll in DCS. You also want to minimize your own IR signature by dropping out of afterburner, and if possible all the way down to IDLE. Breaking head-on into the missile decreases your own IR signature. So for flares the sequence is cut throttle, break into the missile, and drop flares rapidly. Generally 10 flares dropped in one second (you can use something like Joy2Key or a macro script to do this) will spoof anything if you drop it in IDLE/MIL. When you are really close, like under 1-2nm, you also want to pre-flare (dropping 1-2 flares every second or two) before you get the missile launch, as when you are this close its hard to get the flares out of the jet fast enough if you wait till its launched. This applies to both SAMs and AAMs btw Chaff is slightly different. Against SAMs, the general rule is to drop a ton of chaff (something like 15-30 depending on the SAM) while beaming it (putting it near your 3-9 line). Against the SARH AAMs and the AIM-54/R-77, chaff is effective if you are close to being in the notch. You dont have to be very precise. Against the AMRAAM, with its new chaff modeling, it is only effective when you are almost precisely in the notch. The best way to chaff AMRAAMs is to drop like 5-10 chaff per second while turning through the notch at slow-ish speeds, like in these vids: If it doesnt work initially, turn in again and keep S turning in and out of the notch while chaffing. Hope this helps

Its definitely over performing but its not quite as good as the F-18s. This is especially noticeable vs cold targets. Our F-18 is pretty much on par with the RL F-15 radar.:megalol:.

Yea the FC3 radars 100% take time to scan. If you want a radar to attack for being OP just look at our F-16 radar which is almost as good as the RL F-15 radar. Even our F-18 radar is over performing, albeit by not as much.

The AIM-54 is not hard to chaff rn, easier than the current 120s, have you like actually tested it?

I mean its so memey in DCS RN that i wouldnt mind ED just removing it.

...being nitpicky but that has nothing to do with the FM. You could do the same in the F-18 before they added the over-G modeling. Its the DM that needs upgrading. I just dont think ED thinks its very high priority tbh. But this is all super OT :lol:

Im pretty sure local refers to your (local) settings, not the server settings.

Im not saying the chaff just dissapears, im saying that the radar can filter out the chaff reflections because it has the wrong frequency. Granted, you could overwhelm the seeker at really close range, but thats clearly not whats going on here, at least not at the ranges encountered here. And BlackPixxel is correct, the AMRAAM works like a normal radar scan; it has a narrow beam that is swept across the 60° FoV, and it should take some time, though not a whole ton. Definitely would be an issue if the lock is lost at close ranges however. Also afaik its ±30 for a total of 60° though i could be wrong here. EDIT yup I was wrong it is ±60° for a total of 120°

This would be fantastic if you can get the info Deka. I think this would be very popular, a lot of people have been waiting for something like this.

So an initial question, looking for opinions: should the F-16 fall under rule 16? It lacks SARH missiles which is obviously a handicap but it has things that the other limited capability aircraft dont (decent radar, F-F DL, good RWR). This gives a ton of SA going into the merge that the other jets that are allowed 3 just dont have. What are you guys thoughts?

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I think your confusing "keeps in the air flying for long time" and having a doppler shift. Yes chaff stays airborne for a long time, but only for a very short time does it have a Vc above the doppler filter. Once the chaff drops below the Vc filter (again this happens very quickly, chaff is very light), the radar can filter it out as normal. Now if the plane is passing through the beam when dispensing chaff, and the chaff has a higher RCS, its very likely that it could, for that moment, switch to the chaff, and temporarily take the beam off the target. However as most sources make clear, the chaff will drop below the doppler filter very quickly, and the missile would go back into search/memory, and find you when you reaqcuire IF you are in the FoV, which would be true for the almost instant recommits you see me doing in the vid. Now IK that proper chaff modeling isnt quite so simple to emulate. But at least ED, for now, can tune things so the same net effect is produced: e.g, you cant expect to notch for 0.1 sec and recommit and not expect the missile to find you again. And this is for all the DCS RF missiles.

I say raise all the missiles to the new standard of CCM, which is what I was saying in the russian missile thread.

Im not "crying" about anything. From a enjoyment standpoint IDC how chaff resistant the AMRAAMs are. I could notch the old ones, and I can notch the new ones. If they make it hard to notch ill just respect MAR. If they dont Ill notch it. IDC. My concern is that ED is still in that phase of trying to force the "gladiatorial gunfights" as Nick Grey put it. They admited thats why the old chaff resistance of all the missiles are so horrible and unrealistic, yet it seems some people want it back there, and ED is doing it. I'm not picking fights with anyone. I asked for facts. As I said I havent seen anyone here give any evidence to convince me that modern RF AAMs are this easy to dodge IRL.

Why would a missile lock on to a stationary chaff? Even if it locked on initially, its gonna drop below the doppler filter very quickly, and the missile is going to go back into search/memory mode, and reacquire you the instant you recommit. In all these cases I was in the seeker FoV when I recommitted. I know this because if you repeat this without chaff it reacquires as expected

Yes its true for all modern radar missiles, I already said that. Not sure what the point is?

Fortunately idc about his BVR "tactics" ;), I dont need him to be good at BVR. But it appears you guys have started insulting peoples BVR skills rather that giving facts or participating in a productive discussion about missiles, as I expected.

People still think the AIM-54 is OP? :megalol:

...and as expected youve given no facts, just insults. I tried to give you the chance but no, you just cant come up with any. And no Im not generalizing Flanker pilots, sorry if I came off like that. I myself like the Flanker (as anyone who has flown with me extensively would know). I also however like realisim, and it seems ED is departing from that.

No they didnt lol, the AMRAAMs in the vids had PLENTY of energy left. They simply wont reacquire. I saw the AMRAAM drop off the RWR immediately after the notch, if its the tacview you are referring to.