dundun92

Exactly. Nobody IRL is running around notching AMRAAMs at 250KIAS intentionally trying to force a merge. Also, nobody here is bitter except you guys (understandably) over how ED has neglected the Flanker. Which they have, along with all of FC3. But you clearly show no interest in a rational discussion on missiles. You guys have given me zero reason to believe that IRL you defeat AMRAAMs (or ANY AAM, ERs included) by spamming chaff and being in the notch for 0.1 sec and immediately recommitting, other than the fact that it makes life easier for DCS Flanker pilots. I could be whining all day about how ED has neglected the F-15C, all the missing features/functionality/capabilities that could easily be modeled in the FC3 environment. But I dont because I realize its pointless and not productive. The fact is DCS simply doesnt revolve around your favorite plane. As much as I wish ED did these changes to all the major missiles at once, they didnt, and thats their choice. We should be trying to bring all the missiles to the new standard, not dragging the ones that have been improved back down. Anyway, just my 2c.

Thank all you guys for participating! I do intend to host again, likely on the 17th of October. The fights were really fun to both watch and participate in!

Really? Can you list even 10 of those ways to defeat an ER. Cuz as far as im aware there are only 5: 1. Launch Denial (e.g staying outside of the WEZ to begin with). Works against both ERs and AMRAAMs 2. Defeat the seeker, aka notching. Works against both 3. run it out of energy, aka SplitS before MAR. Works against both 4. Out maneuver it. Doesnt work against either unless they are slow 5. Increase miss distance outside proxy fuze range. Only missile it doesnt really work on is the AMRAAM. Right. So before the patch when the AMRAAM wasnt how you wanted it is was totally not mute to complain to ED. But now when its easy to notch as you want its suddenly moot to discuss?

The AMRAAM now has the same chaff bug that affects SARH missiles. If you chaff the missile while notching, it will NEVER reacquire, but rather will fly harmlessly, allowing you to recommit immediately. Here are some videos/tacviews of this happening: Notice in these videos how quickly I can recommit while still being in the missile FoV; this is because a chaffed AMRAAM will not reacquire https://streamable.com/okp4ea.

Also, to add, the AMRAAM is now has the SARH chaff bug. If you chaff it, it will never reacquire, which is why I could turn in immediately after chaffing it. If i had notched without chaff, then turned in, it would have reacquired. This is also evident in the videos I posted earlier.

No it isnt. Its far from "basically chaff proof", not sure why you still think it is. Not that I really care at this point, but its definitely much easier to defeat, and overall quite easy to defeat if your not at like mach 1. Heres some more tacviews from a 2v2 comp I was in today: https://streamable.com/okp4ea

Also, for the 64th/ETF, heres the .miz so you guys can host it if needed: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1219eAJbe49FFhM6f4mjqZnlDKv67lTlx/view?usp=sharing

The tacviews are here: https://drive.google.com/file/d/16L3yJYhIehxbt5wTz1n3hdWtFKjhZ2AH/view?usp=sharing https://drive.google.com/file/d/1XxwRE94VACwWliO8z9H59dhEuVZ8rRK7/view?usp=sharing https://drive.google.com/file/d/1JbFhsHVAI2zl7W_AVP-p6S4gUlEcMmlx/view?usp=sharing Here are some YT vid replays of the tacviews: The results of the final are TBD, 64th Aggressors II and ETF will decide on the date for the final.

<64> Combz will be streaming, check it out here:

Just out of curiosity, is this the kind of maneuver you are referring to?

Sure, that would probably make things a bit more interesting. Also a reminder to all teams, please try and show up in the TS at least 10mins before event start (which is is just over an hour), so everything important can be briefed.

Some Su-27 action on GS:

Except that it wasnt untrashable pre-patch. Without ECM, simply using chaff, I posted several videos a page or two ago. It just took effort not, just passing through the notch for 0.1sec while chaffing. But w/e, I suppose EDs gonna do whatever they want here.

Changing the CCM values wasnt a bug, I think Maestros post pretty much makes it clear their official reasoning behind changing it: https://forums.eagle.ru/showpost.php?p=4476779&postcount=9465 I guess we'll just have to wait for DCS EW update to get realistic ccm resistance, but, hey, I guess it means more Flankering for me.

And another vid:

First with without ECM, second is with:

So I did some testing and, yeah, the 120 is much easier to spoof with chaff than before. I can do it reliably in the Flanker rn over 400kmh, could never do it pre patch, barring a coba. Videos inbound soon

No problem, hopefully we'll see you guys around next time

With registration now closed, here are the preliminary tournament brackets: These do not include the optional rounds for those who go out on the first round.

AFAIK no

Its not implemented quite yet. Likely in next patch

I havent tested the new AMRAAMs yet (the first tacview posted was pre patch), this is just an illustration that even the pre patch AMRAAMs would go for chaff if you deploy it correctly, it was far from unchaffable. The question is how much easier is it to chaff the missile in the new patch (e.g, how "less strict" you need to be with timing your chaff deployments, etc).

Browsed through a few of my tacviews, you can see in these that the AMRAAM clearly went for the chaff, and this is pre-patch. And these were all SP to remove the MP chaff desync bug:

Just from a casual glance at 1:40 and 3:00 the missiles went for chaff, and I have plenty of other tacviews with the pre patch AMRAAMs going for chaff.