I flew with them on my first 30 hours in the sim. Now my wingie Griff has talked me into going without, kicking and screaming of course :) . It allowed me to learn my HOTAS settings and the systems of the A-10 while not having to worry about having my head on swivel. Now I know my HOTAS settings and know fairly well the A-10 systems, it is time to turn them off and use my TrackIR for what it was intended.