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....or we will be on beta 26 :megalol:

an option like in BS would suit both 'visible' and 'invisible man' camps i think a ginger goth would be best ')

You are jumping two generations so you will be in for a nice surprise. Run a mission now with framerates on. Then repeat with new card.

Gonzo What tool are you using to measure GPU usage? I downloaded GPU-Z but it doesn't have the good graphing capabilities of rivatuner, but then rivatiner doesnt support new 580's

What is your core loading on average? I get about 60%-80% on the two cores that DCS uses, so the gfx card is limiting factor, even a 580! Still, from what i'm used to it's a whole new world. I had to stop myself getting a Dell U2711 27" monitor as i can get them cheap, but i thought that its resolution (2560x1440), would put me back to GTX285 speeds albeit with a 'god monitor' to drool over. And an angry girlfriend to appease ;)

Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesnt. In FC/LOMAC the AI had to have visual to engage otherwise you got "negative". In BS you can send shkval target and get AI to engage In A-10, even broadcast SPI and "attack from SPI" gets a negative 50% of the time now. Hopefully WIP

Fopeyducker Did you do a driver clearout and have you installed the new "580" drivers from NVIDIA? (Just the latest 262.99). Also, in NVIDIA control panel, record the settings you used for your 285 and set them all back to default and save. New card, new tweaks. I see about a 100% improvement in A-10, now at 60 fps (without HDR). Just looking at your stats on your sig. What speed is your CPU running at? You may well be CPU bottlenecked on a stock 920. My 920 ran at 4GHZ no bother with a decent cooler. Just a thought. My 930 @ 4.1ghz runs at 70-80% in DCS, i haven't taken the speed down to see where DCS hits it for 100% but i would imagine its about the 3.6ghz mark.

just installed a gtx580. framerates doubled from 30 ish to 60 ish. super smooth and now no bottlenecks! enabled HDR and back to 35 ish. the hdr needs a lot of tweaking. trying gpu-z. what i want though is a realtime GPU load viewer. not sure if such a thing exists. **EDIT** ooh hang on, it does that. now what about graphs?

Sorry, i see your point mate, my card was 2 generations back. I usually skip one. Although i may change my policy because my GTX285 is only worth £120 on Ebay, whereas if i was selling a 480 / 5870..... Just had my first test. with GTX 285 - average FPS 30 with GTX 580 - average FPS 60 Super silky. At 1920x1200. Like butter. Havent done any tweaking yet. Time for HDR test

Cheers guys. I guess the limited SADL implementation will be fine for MP but for SP its really crippled ATM. Having an AI wingman who cant / wont broadcast the SPI targets he sees ("CONTACT"), and wont acknowledge your broadcast SPI and therefore wont attack ("NEGATIVE"), make single player an exercise in frustration ATM. Hopefully its some WIP glitches as ive used attack orders in beta1/2 and they generally worked.

What is your OS? your GFX card is 3 generation out of whack http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/gaming-graphics-radeon-hd-6870-radeon-hd-6850,2782-7.html Like my outgoing GTX 285, its most likey your bottleneck. You wont ever run out of VRAM (pagefile) unles you; disable the windows pagefile then run out or RAM manually set the pagefile too small have dynamic pagefile set and run ou of HD sopace

Meh, mine came today. Will benchmark tonight; Reasons I didnt wait; Price won’t come down much. Prices of 480’s etc. haven’t budged much. All reviews were overwhelmingly positive. I don’t want to pay for a “premium” model. That would be even more expensive and you gain little except maybe a vapor cooler which the 580 already has. $/£ to % performace gains are not worth paying extra. Just overclock yourself. I want to get the best xmas price for my outgoing 285 to offset the cost My 285 was struggling NOW with A-10 AMD worried when they read the 580 reviews and are holding 6900 back for 'tweaks', etc (only a runour ;)) Im not a NVIDIA fanboy having owned all makes of cards from 3dFX onwards but i can say from the bottom of my heart that the ATI catalyst control centre is the pure spawn of satans maggoty-bellend Now I will be proven wrong if; RADEON 6970 is faster than 580 on release And RADEON 6970 is cheaper than 580 on release You can wait all day long. In fact you can wait for ever…. Don’t play DCS beta, wait for the final release. Don’t by a HOTAS Warthog, wait till everyone else does…….don't go outside it might rain. What reviews were you reading? Bit-Tech, Guru3d, Anandtech, Toms hardware, all proper IT sites, all gave glowing reviews and I respect their information. http://www.bit-tech.net/hardware/graphics/2010/11/09/nvidia-geforce-gtx-580-review/1 http://www.anandtech.com/show/4008/nvidias-geforce-gtx-580 http://www.guru3d.com/article/geforce-gtx-580-review/ http://www.tomshardware.co.uk/geforce-gtx-580-gf110-geforce-gtx-480,review-32043.html

How? apart from Jtac reponse Thats what we need. thats what was in the demo screenshots IIRC

So, other than accepting JTAC targets to get the red target triangle, how do i create my own? If we can't then having a wingman say "contact" is not much use as he gives no clue as to the threat location. He might as well say "Ice Cream"

I am having some trouble understanding the correct employment of my wingman. In the “instant action” easy mission for instance the second target consists of 2 trucks and some infantry. Flying towards them my wingman calls “contact”. This I assume means he has visual. I target the trucks in area mode, set SPI, (make sure “broadcast SPI is set”) and call “engage with”, “utility trucks”, or infantry or whatever, “guns” and “default”... “negative” No matter what I say, I get negative. I’m sure this used to work but I may be missing something. Looking at page 313 of the manual on “tasking targets” this seems to imply that as part of a datalinked team, the AI should be creating TAD objects referencing enemy / friendly positions as they did in BlackShark. It also says that you can task targets to allied aircraft if you, “Set the SPI to the location of the TAD symbol that you wish to assign as the target”. The only way i have come across for creating TAD symbols is when tasked by a JTAC. Can TAD symbols be created in flight? Am I doing something wrong, are these features not implemented or is it a WIP issue? (beta 3 BTW)

or they added voice audio so you can communicate with flights of these aircraft over the radio? less of a conspiracy theory i guess :detective_2: havent installed yet

Its a balancing act. BTW, what app are you using to get GFX card load %. Ive had a few hokey ASUS apps but they were a bit.......pants. Pity rivatuner does'nt do it. Now your bottleneck has moved......to your CPU. What CPU are you running?

If you can see all your cores and identify the two DCS cores, (the ones doing all the work ;)), then you can see how much work they are doing whilst running the SIM, (as a %). If as in my case I get 20-30fps and my working cores as working at 60% or so I can say that in MY case the graphics card just can’t render fast enough, (as the CPU still has more to give), and is therefore my bottleneck. Answer = new gfx card. As I have a GTX 285 which is now 2 generations old, fair enough. If you are getting CPU loading of consistently 90-100%, then your CPU can’t keep up with your GFX card. Answer is most likely to upgrade CPU. There are a few caveats; GPU load isn’t measured like CPU load with %, meaning it’s not as east to determine whether your GPU is working hard. In this case, my pure CPU test is therefore not 100% conclusive CPU load within the sim is not flat, obviously over cities, etc., but you get the picture I am ignoring disk I/O bottlenecks here. They aren’t that common in DCS. It’s not ARMAII (unless you have ancient HDD’s) you could have an equally slow gfx card and CPU! (100% load, GPU fan screAming, crap frame rates.....TURN THE GFX SETTINGS DOWN AND START SAVING UP ) People asking “how can a DX9 game tax my setup?” Are missing the point. Pick up a heavy 50” HD TV. Put it down. Pick up a heavy rock. Put it down. Both heavy? One new and one old… funny that ;) (Mower, in your case and in my opinion, your GFX card needs, shall we say, a comfy chair and a tartan blanket for its legs, as the rest of your system is 3 generations or so ahead. It's 3 years old this April! Your CPU will happliy hit 4ghz all day long and DCs wont touch that)

580's sold out everywhere. Still, it makes sense to wait on the red team as £400 is a lot to gamble on a two week wait IMO. Need to sell my 285 in the xmas ebay rush though to offeset the cost, (starts fondling credit card)

Bottleneck test run game in window with task manager open, (assuming you have one monitor. if you have 2 then run fullscreen w/ task manager on second screen), w/performance tab, (or more accurate desktop gadget like "all CPU meter") what is your average core loading whilst playing? WH uses 2 cores, windows will shunt all window-sy tasks to the others

How do you work that out? DCS uses two cores. One for the main app and one for the sound engine. My other cores are therefore bumbling along doing windows stuff. (I am not talking about an aggregate score of all 4 cores here but the 4 separate cores. Under full game load i see, core 1 40-60%, core 2 1-5%, core 3 30-40%, core 4 0-2%) The tasked cores are quite capable of hitting 100% at any time if the app (DCS) tasks them that much. It doesn’t, therefore the limiting factor in my performance scenario isn’t my CPU. IF my CPU was screaming at 100% then that would be working full tilt and would therefore be the bottleneck. DCS doesn’t tax a CPU 100% on purpose like Orthos or3DMark or other benchmarking apps. That is a nonsensical statement. It all depends on your setup. Run task manager, performance tab so you can see all your cores. Run DCS with it open, (windowed if you have to), and see the average and peak CPU%. If it is flat lined at 100%, then you need a faster CPU, assuming you already have dual/quad cores, if its consistently less than 80% then you may need a faster GFX card. You can run perfmon disk I/O as well to see if your disks can’t keep up. As I have a 2 generations (now) old gfx card, (GTX285), my diagnosis is that it is my bottleneck.

There are 3rd party tools but if your CPU is close or at 100% then that is your bottleneck. In it's none optimised state though dcs:a-10 isn't a reliable benchmark. Use blackshark with latest patch which uses two cores.

my overclocked i930 @ 4.1ghz never goes above 60% 2 x core usage and i see average 30fps on my GTX285 that is GPU bottleneck right there. If you have 100% CPU then you have a CPU bottleneck, otherwise GPU. its as simple as that. (assuming its not a disk I/O bottleneck ;), but i have SSD + RAID 1 so its not disk)

Im looking at one of these to replace my GTX285 which is getting on a bit. My usual rule is to sell and replace every year, that way about £100 premium does it. This time, i'm looking at selling my 2 year old card for £120 and having to pony up the remaining £250 to upgrade. So, i lose about £125 card value a year assuming i want to stay cutting edge. Thats not bad in my view as i use the PC every day. Might wait for the new Radeons though. If they are the same in performance bracket, then price, noise and heat will sway me. And DCS performance!

I couldnt get it to work Grimes. I had a JTAC which was to be triggered, so my understanding is that you add its functions to the "triggered actions" tab then call them from a trigger. There are two extra triggers you need to implement first, the usual "activate group", but also the new "group AI in". you then activate the stored tasks using "AI task" calls. My JTAC activated but did bugger all. posiibly a beta issue as when i use the exact same commands using actions in the group tab it all works fine. I hope they update the "AI Task" docs with beta3