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obviously I would pay also for the 15 AFM no doubt about it.

I said nearly the same thing on the UBI forums back in '03 when LO:MAC first released.

I am neither loathsome nor xenophobic....and leave it at that. You're relatively new here.. you will experience the stone wall effect sooner or later. It's not derogatory,,,nor meant to be. It's just fact. I've now heard from 3 seperate people here on this thread that the KA-50 is going to be all that and would hope the product comes to fruition as reported by Ice, Hawg, and Shep's posts. (all three I respect as being level headed and knowledgeable folks as shown by their posts). Eveyone please understand that I have my misgivings and pessimistic viewpoints, because I have heard similar stuff before when LO first released, and during posts since then and none has been realized. But as for the poll.. I stand by my feelings. KA-50 doesn't fix the 15.. so this product won't be on my must have list....but is in the may check it out list. Thanks Buckshot for chipping in and correcting my wrong info....

no ingame screenies.... any screenies they have available are in the Area51 forums... They attention to detail is quite astounding... (not just aircraft either). "Buckshot" states they are close... As for the Engine...it's a prop sim engine, and they're customizing it for Jet Aircraft.... Just go to xplane web site for a general idea of what it's to look like. Due to the agreement of being a member...I don't think I can discuss anything beyond this... I will say of the screenies they are sharing with area51 members, some are just great. Even the proof of concept ones....

thanks hawg... I heard this on the forums, but never saw Wags post per se... So even then, after LOBS...the F16 is not definative....and by then FO should have a product.....(I just had to throw that back in :p )

they have stated later this year.. and yes they do have an engine... X-Plane v8 (modified for jet FM)

I heard that too...but the CEO statement was on a russian website and I had to babelfish to read it. I wasn't the only who commented on it back then. now that I rethink this...it was longer than 6 mo ago. Begginning of last year sounds 'bout right...

I haven't read the ICE thread... But as you suggest, it would stand to reason that the 16 will have AFM and better avionics from their KA-50 experiance. But their history of realism has proven to be far off.... Don't you remember hearing about their CEO? talking about what's instore for LOC about 6 mo ago?

then I misunderstood your post.... sorry 'bout that. But I stand by view point about FO will be better because of the realism aspect they are shooting for.... Where with LO and it's current form is arbritrary at best. on a small side not.. ED stated they are going to put out a F16 with AFM etc...etc.. Will the avionics be like F4? or the oversimplified and inaccurate versions we are using now?

:) LOBS will be out soon (5/15/06 at simware) and FO is on schedule (as stated by FO on their forums) for trainer release this year. FO has been in the works for 11/2 years now. ED has yet to implement aspects that were listed on the original retail box from 3+ years ago!!!

... the "ass-U-Me" was me on the UBI forums when LO came out. (even tho the saying has been around for centuries i'd guess) Look.. I do fear FO will turn into another F16/Falcon4 smoke hole that the history of falcon devs have done. But it doesn't appear this way, as you suggest. In Fact they have been very upfront on what they are doing and what the customer can expect initially. Trainer first. Flight Acadamy type training... then a fighter (16/15/a10 ...don't remember right now). ED's comminications ablities on this side of the language barrier has been spotty at best. When they do respond it's selective and everyone goes...." Ohhhhh ... ahhhhh....... thank you!.. what about...." It's the same old diatribe. FO to date haven't done smoke screen or mirrors like UBI/ED did back in 03 with LockON. (did you all forget?) The thing the FO is shooting for is realism. ED doesn't and that appears to be their business model, tho we may hear otherwise. The proof is in the product. ED can mass produce tons add ons, but if everything brings your PC to a crawl, infects your machine with it's protection measures, and opperability of the aircraft are either flat out wrong (i can only speak for the 15) or oversimplified to the point, the word "sim" is a very general label, then it's still broken. The KA-50 maybe the shiznitz and all that snoop dog stuff.. but everything else is the limiting factor. I am still considering it's purchase, just for curiosity sake with their interface with the 'copter. The only reason why I play LO is the interface when I'm "flying" the 15. All other Flight sims suck in comparison. In this aspect ED hit it right on the nose and did a great job. I am not trying to start a fight, but discuss what ED is doing here and why I think they are wrong leaving it's current class of customers out in the cold. If you counter and even wish to discuss (to learn), you are met with the famous russian stoicism and hardline approach (has happened to me quite a few times on this forum). If I'm wrong here with my viewpoint.. then so be it.. I try to learn something new each day.

or so we all hope that ED will produce something that we'd want to play.

the problem is.. I think ED is missing the boat. Fighter OPS will be out by then, and the way it's shaping up will leave ED behind. (except for in the CIS) ED has to solidify it's customer base now.. instead of later. They could get so much more people...if they fixed everything that is currently in the product, (not even talking about AFM yet). SO instead of fixing what needs to be fixed, they have opted for the "new book cover" approach. I guess they think were that stupid. If you rolled out the KA-50 addon.. great, but fix existing problems in prior releases that your merging this product into should be number one. This way customers are willing to stay in the LO world. I myself will not fall in the "maybe KA50 addon will fix - xxxx" trap. It's us lying to ourselves and since ED stands to make money on that attitude, they say nothing to correct it. like I said.. bad business model.

For me fixing the F15 (and other craft) would be more important than keep adding a shiny new covers. it just doesn't make sense to me. why add good code to bad?

thanks for the tip.. I just emailed them with a link to here...

Starforce Problem: (just more information here...) **screenshots can be large.. warning ** 1. Install Lockon (lockon, FC, 1.12a patch) (no Starforce drivers installed) nodriver.gif 2. Run LockOn - don't reboot yet. It checks the CD, then LockON runs. 3. Exit Lockon No starForce is in device manager Not showing in Device Manager 4. Reboot Now star force shows up in Device Manger Installed 5. Click desktop Icon to start lockON Lockon.exe hangs at 30k and CPU is pegged at 100% Game will not run. You cannot kill the task, either using cmd line tools or in task manager. You must Hard reboot your machine. Lockon exe freeze - Starforce (frontline) freeze 100% CPU cycles 6. You can start LockON, after insert CD, the click Play from the Autorun menu 7. Run the starforce removal tool Reboot is necessary 8. Check Device Manger again after reboot Starforce protection is still installed Still Installed Right click and choose uninstall is required to remove it. Step 5/6 has been reported before, but I thought I'd report more information. As reported the game can still be played thru running Play from the CD autorun menu.. Note ** When starting Lockon for the first time, starforce is supposively installed, but no reboot occurs as it used to in the past. I do believe it's the synchronization driver that is the culprit here... Please respond.

I just asked this question 2 days ago.... no response... (naturally)

naturally...of course..

just too damn funny. I can see it now.. .. rugbutt : "hey baby.. what's your number?" Female : "R-27E" OR rugbutt : "Hey baby... what's your sign?" Female : "It's on the side of the plane... now go away..." at this point.. you should run away .... very fast....

I remember you also... welcome back so where did escargo? :) you took quite some time to come back.

what does it matter if there are female virtual pilots or not? It's not like your going to fly your jet up to her and ask for a good time.

But really a response from Olgred or Chizh may help here. Can / will LO support these resolutions? 3840 x 1024 (triple 1280) 60Hz????

I'd be just happier with a "wider view" like this... The question is... will LO support such resolutions?

http://www.matrox.com/graphics/offhome/th2go/home.cfm

huh? whathesay? :icon_ques