SAM list and their specifications

Just made a small list with pictures and some info to help identify the effectiveness the SAM-systems since I couldn't find any such document anywhere. I bet there are others who, unlike some of you (I'm sure ;)), haven't memorized how fast every SAM-system can kill you.

So here's to you! :clown_2:

Edit: Ugh... Just remembered I downloaded the rar at the wiki made by toby23. It appearantly has pretty much the same and other data. Doh!

SAM List Small.pdf

Thanks for the work.

I'll keep it with my pile of helpful docs.:thumbup:

Very nice work and goog pics. Thanks!

Shilka's RWR icon is <A>

- not 23.

Good work...thnx !

Shilka's RWR icon is <A>

- not 23.

Thanks!

Took that one from the manual but come to think about it, it might've been the Lock On manual... :smartass: Happened to stumble upon it on google.

I'll make a change in the pdf of my original post.

printing and laminating. Very good job. Thanks!

Not sure but i think the max altitudes for the tunguska is less than 19000 and the one for the tor is much more than 19000.

Thanks, it's very helpful.

Not sure but i think the max altitudes for the tunguska is less than 19000 and the one for the tor is much more than 19000.

Thanks for pointing it out!

I took the Tunguska data from the DCS A-10C encyclopedia, but now double-checking with the internetz it says what you're saying.

According to http://www.enemyforces.net/artillery/tunguska.htm and http://defense-update.com/products/t/tor.htm the ceiling is 3 500 m (11 500 ft).

The Tor is stated to be 6000 m (19 700 ft) at both http://www.enemyforces.net/missiles/tor.htm and http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/missile/row/sa-15.htm.

As a footnote, all the data in my list might be wrong but the main purpose is to give people a clue of how lethal it is :)

I might aswell add that the DCS encyclopedia has been used to determine the ranges when possible. Otherwise it's been various military sites, mostly enemyforces.net.

...As a footnote, all the data in my list might be wrong but the main purpose is to give people a clue of how lethal it is...

Therein lies the rub......:)

It's about three times as lethal as the data you are relying on: For what it's worth, the Tunguska has a ceiling of approx 30 000ft whilst the Tor has a ceiling of 36 000ft and above.

Excellent work!

...the Tunguska has a ceiling of approx 30 000ft whilst the Tor has a ceiling of 36 000ft and above.

Daymn! :crazy:

The encyclopedia should indeed not be trusted. I did some extensive testing of ranges and max altitudes myself, se here: http://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?p=1319858#post1319858. Furthermore, RL data should not always be trusted for in-game operations either. Also the "tygers?" did some elaborate testing which I think is available on their home-page... Otherwise, nice work, and nice pictures... :)

The encyclopedia should indeed not be trusted. I did some extensive testing of ranges and max altitudes myself, se here: http://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?p=1319858#post1319858. Furthermore, RL data should not always be trusted for in-game operations either. Also the "tygers?" did some elaborate testing which I think is available on their home-page... Otherwise, nice work, and nice pictures... :)

Oh nice! That'll make a nice supplement for my own needs :)

Added that Document to the Reference Documents List within the DCS Wiki Tutorial Collection for Warthog and Black Shark...good job roob and quite handy

For what it's worth, the Tunguska has a ceiling of approx 30 000ft whilst the Tor has a ceiling of 36 000ft and above.

I have experienced that > 30 000 ft is not safe. Not at all. Thought I was safe but was shot down.

Added that Document to the Reference Documents List within the DCS Wiki Tutorial Collection for Warthog and Black Shark...good job roob and quite handy

Nice, thank you :)

There is no escape, the max ceiling of an Sa10 or 11?

98.5 thousand feet.

Yer gonna get shot at.

Nice work, thanks.

There is no escape, the max ceiling of an Sa10 or 11?

That's what strategic sams are for. :)

That's what strategic sams are for. :)

screw you sobek...kidding...but youre sooo right...I painfully have experienced this last night again, while I was shot down by a SAM although I was on a 22.000 ft Altitude...watching the TGP and ignoring the beep beeep ....:joystick::D

thanks !!

I have an old Falcon threat guide that I thought I'd share. The awesome thing about it is that it has info on all kinds of hostile aircrafts, missiles, SAMs, and AAAs, with just about any info you need. Guidance mode, speed, min/max altitude/range, strengths and weaknesses, CM and ECM vulnerability, and appropriate offensive and defensive measures. It also specifies which aircrafts can carry which missiles so you know what to be prepared for.

It is by far the best threat guide I've come across, which is why I still use it.

f4_threat_quickguide.pdf

For anyone using the BMS guide, keep in mind that AAM ranges are different in DCS, that plane armament is different (ie the su27 doesn't have R77 and the mig-29 does.).

Also, R-77 outranging the AIM-120!? lol not sure what period the guide represents but...