DCS Mirage 2000C Discussion

[CallsignFrosty]

Seems feasible against an helicopter but I won't try it. Moreover despite the scene correlation treatment I think the maverick use I still think it might be sensible to decoy.

 

I have killed a Huey on a server before with a 65D. Made him ragequit!

[domini99]

;2568482']I have killed a Huey on a server before with a 65D. Made him ragequit!

I have ragequit before too while transporting, server was full of lawn mowing f15'a that shot aim-120's from point blank range.

[sedenion]

I don´t.

But I also think that 16 Flares are enough ...

 

Me too... Chaffs and Flares usage are pretty different.

 

Flares can be dispensed exactly when you need at the right moment, since you know with more accuracy when a missile is threatening you.

 

But in BVR, it's more hard to know when to launch chaffs, you can evaluate, but without precision, so you are almost constantly dispensing chaffs during long time while hoping that the missile will forget you.

 

So statistically you need more chaffs than flares.

[Tirak]

I have ragequit before too while transporting, server was full of lawn mowing f15'a that shot aim-120's from point blank range.

 

Look forward to the days then when BST finishes their AH-1W, and lawnmowing F-15s suddenly find a sidewinder to the face when they try that :megalol:

[Angel101]

I'd like to show a vid of someone shooting AGM-65 in an air to air combat :)

Seems pretty hard to me

 

Your wish is my command.

 

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Sorry I´m totally a noob in video creating and youtube uploading.

 

Here ACMI: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/61769381/DCS%20docs/Mav%20AA.acmi

 

Actually (in my vSquadron) we call it "ChuckNoverrick" It can do 180º maneuvers and lose very low energy... also totally inmunes to chaff and flares... and in other plane than A-10C you don´t get any launch warning... totally overpowered for A2A :megalol:

[bzhnono]

Whaou

Thanks, that's impressive !

 

Don't know if it's "that" easy in real life :)

[Angel101]

Whaou

Thanks, that's impressive !

 

Don't know if it's "that" easy in real life :)

 

In real life shouldn´t. It´s a slow missile and the first versions got a lot of missed trying to track ground moving targets. So, in DCS it´s overmodelled it needs and AFM.

[Gliptal]

Mavericks aren't modelled that much in detail in DCS, there was a nice thread about them and their usage (aka the force correlation misuse by simmers) in the A10-C subsection).

 

EDIT: Here: http://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?t=147095

Edited November 26, 2015 by Gliptal

[PiedDroit]

Mavericks aren't modelled that much in detail in DCS, there was a nice thread about them and their usage (aka the force correlation misuse by simmers) in the A10-C subsection).

 

EDIT: Here: http://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?t=147095

No mavericks on the Mirage 2000C so everything about it is quite irrelevant in this thread :music_whistling:

[Gliptal]

No mavericks on the Mirage 2000C so everything about it is quite irrelevant in this thread :music_whistling:

True, sorry for the derail.

[PiedDroit]

True, sorry for the derail.

No worries - mavs on M-2000C would have been great but it's fine as it is. We'll have to wait for Hornet.

 

I think I asked this before but I don't remember an answer, how many unguided rocket can we put on it? High speed rocket attacks are so fun D

Is the dual launcher usable with rocket pods?

Thanks

[TomCatMucDe]

Something i am excited about is the Viggen from Leatherneck. It's gonna be an excellent opponent in my M2000. A very balanced fight !

[QuiGon]

Something i am excited about is the Viggen from Leatherneck. It's gonna be an excellent opponent in my M2000. A very balanced fight !

 

Only if it's gonna be the JA Viggen. The AJ Viggen won't be a match for the M2000.

[Brisse]

Something i am excited about is the Viggen from Leatherneck. It's gonna be an excellent opponent in my M2000. A very balanced fight !

 

Nope. Mirage is going to be so OP :(

 

Only if it's gonna be the JA Viggen. The AJ Viggen won't be a match for the M2000.

 

Even if it's a JA, it's going to have a really hard time against the Mirage 2000C. Sure, you can attempt to go up against the Mirage, but unless you get a quick kill at BVR, you are pretty much screwed in the Viggen I think. It would have to be the Ja-37D which can carry the AIM-120B. That could be an interesting match.

[rrohde]

Nope. Mirage is going to be so OP :(

 

Sounds like you're wanting DCS to be some balanced e-sport or something? OP as in "overpowered" is such a wrong phrase to describe aspects of a simulation. :)

[Gliptal]

Just wait for the Typhoon and the Rafale, the OP shrieking will be fabulous. :D

[sedenion]

Just wait for the Typhoon and the Rafale, the OP shrieking will be fabulous. :D

 

Forget the Rafale, that will never happen.

[Brisse]

Sounds like you're wanting DCS to be some balanced e-sport or something? OP as in "overpowered" is such a wrong phrase to describe aspects of a simulation. :)

 

Nope, not at all. I want DCS to simulate the aircraft. If it's done correctly then the balance will be the same as it is IRL, which doesn't necessarily mean it's balanced at all. I was just pointing out to the others that what they think is a balanced fight, might not be very balanced after all.

 

Seeing natural opponents to current modules being developed is nice, but not mandatory in my opinion. What I mean by natural opponent is an aircraft in the same role and same era such as the F-5E by Belsimtek which is good opponent against the MiG-21bis. That doesn't necessarily mean it's a balanced fight. The only way to have a balanced fight is to have two aircraft of the same model go up against each other with balanced starting conditions.

[dartuil]

Even gripen have hard time vs M2000 so imagine a viggen.

[mattebubben]

Even gripen have hard time vs M2000 so imagine a viggen.

 

 

Well while a Viggen would be less manuverable then a M-2000 it would be more then a match for a M-2000C.

 

It also has an advantage in armament with the 6 missiles against the 2 of the Mirage.

 

It had a VERY advanced Datalink system for its time. (i dont know that much about the mirage-2000C RDI Datalink system)

 

And a Later JA-37D (mid 90s upgrade) gives the Viggen the abillity to carry 6 Aim-120s wich would give it a significant advantage over the Mirage-2000C.

 

The only Advantages a Mirage-2000C would have over a Viggen is the instantanious turn and roll rates aswell as the FBW system making it easier to fly.

 

The Viggen has a better Thrust to Weight Ratio so it might get the upperhand in a vertical fight.

 

Against A mirage-2000-5 A viggen would not longer hold as many advantages but a Ja-37D with 6 Amraams would still be a very real threat for any Mirage-2000-5 Especially in a group fighter (2 vs 2 or more) where the Datalinking Abillities of the JA-37 Would make it dangerous for pretty much any opponent.

 

A Mirage 2000C Vs a JA-37 (Non Aim-120 Variant) would not be a easy fight for either opponent with both having some advantages over the other.

 

But all things Considerd the JA-37 Would probably have more advantages then disadvantages in an encounter especially when it comes to bvr and group combat.

 

And the Gripen (Jas-39A) has only advantages over the M-2000.

 

Its more manuverable both in instantanious turn aswell as in a substained turn.

 

Again it has better Armament over the M-2000C and the gripen is also superior to the Mirage-2000-5 Variant even though they would be far closer match.

Edited November 26, 2015 by mattebubben

[dartuil]

Well while a Viggen would be less manuverable then a M-2000 it would be more then a match for a M-2000C.

 

It also has an advantage in armament with the 6 missiles against the 2 of the Mirage.

 

It also has a better Datalink System then the M-2000C.

 

And a Later JA-37C (mid 90s upgrade)

 

gives the Viggen the abillity to carry 6 Aim-120s wich would give it a significant advantage over the Mirage-2000C.

 

The only Advantage a Mirage-2000C would have over a Viggen is the instantanious turn.

 

The Viggen has a better Thrust to Weight Ratio so it might get the upperhand in a prolonged fight.

 

The Last Variant of the Viggen would give even the mirage-2000-5 a run for its money when it comes to Air-Air combat with probably having superior BVR capabillities compared to the 2000-5.

 

 

And the Gripen has only advantages over the M-2000.

 

Its more manuverable both in instantanious turn aswell as in a substained turn.

 

Again it has better much Armament over the M-2000C and the gripen is also superior to the Mirage-2000-5 Variant even though they would be far closer match.

 

I agree on you. What about 2000-9?

[Corsair]

Not betting a single buck on Viggen or Gripen versus the -9.

[dartuil]

According some the -9 is the ultime M2000 able to manhandle rafale. But not beat it i heard that somewhere i dont remember.

[Muppetlord]

Oh great...Another thread that has turned into X vs Y...

 

Edited November 26, 2015 by Muppetlord

[Ganesh]

They're French! They made the aircraft beautiful and then worried about fitting things such as flares in it....

:lol:

Why do you resist ? You will end up buying it anyway :D

 

So true :music_whistling: