DCS Mirage 2000C Discussion

[jojo]

You all forget few things:

- Magic 2 is all aspect

- Magic 2 has twice the range of R-60M

- Magic 2 warhead is close to 3 times larger

 

Lets imagine the MiG 21 can really dodge 2 Super 530D shot inside NEZ range...what position will it have to dodge incoming Magic 2 ?

[il_corleone]

I usually have 8 R-60Ms loaded up

 

I want your Mig. Mine can only carry 6 :(

[sedenion]

I'am a little amused that some people still insist to compare an aircraft that compets the F-16, with the Mig-21, like if we are speaking about totally comparable machines.

 

I don't say that a Mig-21 can't shoot a M2000, but, "allo !?", the natural competitor of the Mig-21, is the Mirage III, not the Mirage 2000, are some people aware ?

[PiedDroit]

I'am a little amused that some people still insist to compare an aircraft that compets the F-16, with the Mig-21, like if we are speaking about totally comparable machines.

 

I don't say that a Mig-21 can't shoot a M2000, but, "allo !?", the natural competitor of the Mig-21, is the Mirage III, not the Mirage 2000, are some people aware ?

It's a good way to spend time :D

My .02: MiG-21 will get spanked by the Mirage-2000C just like against the F-15, I mean, once you're on the scopes, you're toast ;)

Of course players that are good at ambushing will rack some kills but for a normal player like me it shouldn't be any easier (I think I have a 1:100 kill ratio in the MiG-21BIS :cry:).

[il_corleone]

It's a good way to spend time :D

My .02: MiG-21 will get spanked by the Mirage-2000C just like against the F-15, I mean, once you're on the scopes, you're toast ;)

Of course players that are good at ambushing will rack some kills but for a normal player like me it shouldn't be any easier (I think I have a 1:100 kill ratio in the MiG-21BIS :cry:).

 

Yep thats right, but I am happy because of now, we will have many options against f15,s , before, you had only one chance to bring them down, and almost everytime you got your 21 in an MP enviorement, you didnt had a chance, now we can enjoy some Fighting!

[jojo]

I don't understand: If people want to shoot F-15 why don't they try MiG 29S or Su 27 ?

[Gliptal]

I don't understand: If people want to shoot F-15 why don't they try MiG 29S or Su 27 ?

My guess is because the FC3 jets lack the ASM full study modules like the MIG-21 and this upcoming M2000 have. I know I have no interest in picking up the F15 because of this for example.

[sedenion]

I don't understand: If people want to shoot F-15 why don't they try MiG 29S or Su 27 ?

 

No EFM for Mig-29 :cry: but remains the Su-27 yes... Anyway, the M2000 is obviously far more suitable than the Mig-21Bis to intercept F-15 or Su-27. Not exactly the same category, but balanced enough if F-15 and Su-27 are not over-armed.

[Brisse]

The FC3 fighters are fun for blowing off some steam from time to time, escpecially in multiplayer, but I wouldn't mind if they suddenly turned into fully fledged DCS modules :)

[Corsair]

I'am a little amused that some people still insist to compare an aircraft that compets the F-16, with the Mig-21, like if we are speaking about totally comparable machines.

 

I don't say that a Mig-21 can't shoot a M2000, but, "allo !?", the natural competitor of the Mig-21, is the Mirage III, not the Mirage 2000, are some people aware ?

 

+1.. I'm sorry but the 21's handling is in no way comparable the the 2000's. Some are forgetting that the 2000 is equipped with highly capable fly by wire software, in addition to control surface that significantly improve agility that the MiG lacks (strakes, leading edge flaps). Watching a Mirage 2000 solo display should be sufficiently convincing on the matter. Do you see a MiG performing the same display ? I do not..

[Brisse]

MiG-21 manoeuvrability is closer to Mirage III. They are both stable aircraft and lack the agility of modern relaxed stability aircraft such as Mirage 2000.

[jojo]

Thanks guys, I feel less lonely :D

[Akatsuki]

With the release of NTTR as a separate build than 1.5 Open Beta i wonder where the M2000 will be available ? Open Beta or NTTR Alpha ? Both ?

[Gliptal]

With the release of NTTR as a separate build than 1.5 Open Beta i wonder where the M2000 will be available ? Open Beta or NTTR Alpha ? Both ?

Good question, especially since I'm still on 1.2.16. Will it be available for the stable branch as well?

[NineLine]

Good question, especially since I'm still on 1.2.16. Will it be available for the stable branch as well?

 

I am 99% sure it wont be released for 1.2.16, more likely it will come with a new version of 1.5.x or 2.0

[Hook47]

First.

 

The Mig-21 cant carry 8 R-60Ms Its a maximum of 4 (you can only have the double "pylon" on the inboard or outboard hardpoint not both.

 

So you can carry 1 double pylon on each wing and then a single pylon on the other hardpoint.

 

So Maximum of 6 Air-Air missiles.

 

And what was the Nationality of the Mig-21 you saw?.

 

I neversaid it was not common i just said far from all Mig-21Bis Operators used it.

 

And Unless you have friends who have Worked on the mig From every nation Operating the Bis Variant then that does not have an effect on my statement...

 

Edited December 2, 2015 by Hook47

[Hook47]

MiG-21 manoeuvrability is closer to Mirage III. They are both stable aircraft and lack the agility of modern relaxed stability aircraft such as Mirage 2000.

 

 

Agreed, but I still hold to the MiG 21 managing energy better than the Mirage 2000. Look forward to finding out if I'm right in a couple weeks

Edited November 29, 2015 by Hook47

[Moos_tachu]

Well the difference is a little more subtle than that.

First you have to distinguish (1) the early -5s variants, including :

- domestic (-5F),

- variants (-5EDA, -5Ei)

They all share the same RDY radar, but the -5F attack and navigation system doesn't support any air-to-ground modes ; the export ones feature modified EWS, noticeable by the different RWR antennas (two additional superhet on the fin)

 

Then comes the late -5 family, all export, also called "Mk2" :

- emirati (-9EAD)

- greek (-5EG)

- indian (I)

Some difference exist between those concerning some subsystems (EWS, integrated weaponry..) but the main feature they share is the new EMTI (MDPU in english), i.e Integrated Modular Avionics, and they are all A/G capable. The I features some further enhancement and is fitted with RDY-3 versus RDY-2 for the two former (better processing power, etc.).

 

OK... but that doesn't change a single word from my previous post:

 

The -9 is basically a -5 with additional A/G options (export version).

Meaning that A/A capabilities are exactly the same, let aside some minor radar differences (RDY > RDY2).

 

My point was not to go deep into the details, just to highlight that the A/A capabilities of the -5 and -9 are pretty much the same.

 

This was answering to some statements like "the -5 is OK but the -9 is the ultimate A/A fighter" :)

[jojo]

Natural competitor is MiG 29...it just doesn't have the same level of realism !

 

One big challenge would be to catch high & fast MiG 25 RB.

[DoubleQJB]

Agreed, but I still hold to the MiG 21 managing energy better than the Mirage 2000. Look forward to finding out if I'm right in a couple weeks

I don't think it can.

 

Looks to me like the Mirage can sustain a higher g turn in addition to its higher instantaneous turn rate.

[Zeus67]

Another teaser:

 

Soon, very soon. :music_whistling:

[X93355]

Another teaser:

 

Soon, very soon. :music_whistling:

 

Looking very very good Zeus. It's the 30th here in NZ already :)

[Ultra]

[Brisse]

Very nice :)

[castor]

+1.....Please manual today ;-)