DCS WWII: Pacific Marine Question

[flare2000x]

I think you misunderstood, I was referring to the Pacific. Not whole world war two. I am aware that there are areas like Mediterranean sea, personally I would enjoy flying Italian bombers and dropping torpedoes.

But once again, I was just trying to make a point in regard to the Pacific.

 

Oh no worries, just a misunderstanding. I agree with you now!

 

Flare

[javelina1]

F4 Wildcat is planed to late of 2015

 

 

 

Whaaaat??? ;) :thumbup:

[greco.bernardi]

Whaaaat??? ;) :thumbup:

 

And a Tobruk Map

 

http://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?t=127100

[fastfreddie]

 

I like that map and the Solomon Islands look ripe with airfields and would make it easier to generate missions. A larger overall map would give more areas to launch missions from but that does not mean any reasonable mission planner is going to make 4 hour flight times. You can probably throw out almost everything historical in any argument because to be honest ... until we see alot of different WWII aircraft models from this theater it would be Dora/K4 vs Mustang/Spits. Most everyone is asking for a Pacific map because it would be completely different from the dull Georgia map and most everything planned. Maybe it would lead to some of Japan's historic fighters/bombers and other allied pacific oriented birds but all we can really do is ask for them and hope that one day it happens.

[MiloMorai]

I like that map and the Solomon Islands look ripe with airfields and would make it easier to generate missions. A larger overall map would give more areas to launch missions from but that does not mean any reasonable mission planner is going to make 4 hour flight times. You can probably throw out almost everything historical in any argument because to be honest ... until we see alot of different WWII aircraft models from this theater it would be Dora/K4 vs Mustang/Spits. Most everyone is asking for a Pacific map because it would be completely different from the dull Georgia map and most everything planned. Maybe it would lead to some of Japan's historic fighters/bombers and other allied pacific oriented birds but all we can really do is ask for them and hope that one day it happens.

 

To keep with the late war fighters, the George and/or Frank would fit in nicely (would prefer the George if just one is modeled).

[Hiromachi]

To keep with the late war fighters, the George and/or Frank would fit in nicely (would prefer the George if just one is modeled).

 

If only they would be possible to model. For the moment amount of data is limited and some are conflicting for warbirds like Frank or George.

 

Focusing on 1942 and 1943 is much safer as amount of original data is quite decent and a lot are supported by American documents.

[Solty]

If only they would be possible to model. For the moment amount of data is limited and some are conflicting for warbirds like Frank or George.

 

Focusing on 1942 and 1943 is much safer as amount of original data is quite decent and a lot are supported by American documents.

 

Not to mention... we are already getting P-40F! Which would have an enemy at least if they made some Japanese planes like A6M

[Pman]

Whaaaat??? ;) :thumbup:

 

You should know better ;)

 

Im looking at our Wildcat now....looks tasty ;)

 

Expect more news in the coming months ;)

 

Pman

[Solty]

So it is comfirmed that VEAO will release 2 planes that have not a single enemy aircraft to fight.:huh:

 

Cool. Soo... ummm. Yeah...:hmm:

[bongodriver]

it's still cool we will get to fly them so yeah.....cool.

[Solty]

it's still cool we will get to fly them so yeah.....cool.

True that. But for me (and probably many) if a plane doesn't have anyone to fight against, it gets well... boring.

 

I can fly every day if I have Fw190 and Bf109 against me in my P-51. When P-51 was alone I flew around 10 times and fought against my friends like 3 times and that was it.

 

I am happy that they are comming, but I wish they were comming with their nemesis.

 

If I was in charge I would make a rule that if you want to develop a plane you are suppose to make an enemy for it. That is the purpose of those planes. They were born to fight. It is a pity they will not be able to fight their arch enemies though :( (at least for now)

 

So I am happy. But you can see why I am not overjoyed.

Edited January 3, 2015 by Solty

[Pman]

So it is comfirmed that VEAO will release 2 planes that have not a single enemy aircraft to fight.:huh:

 

Cool. Soo... ummm. Yeah...:hmm:

 

Its not our job to make aircraft to fight each other.

 

Its our aim to make aircraft simulations to the highest possible level.

 

We have some Axis aircraft planned but they are further down our roadmap.

 

Pman

[Hiromachi]

Its our aim to make aircraft simulations to the highest possible level.

Pman

 

That is kind of attitude I like :) I'm keeping an eye on that P-40F every day, cant wait to see (or fly it) Pman :pilotfly:

 

 

 

But as I said, making a Zero is not really a problem.

There are available reprinted original maintnance manuals for A6M2-A6M7 for the price of about 130$ (whole book, I know as I got them). They were used in the process of restoring Planes of Fame A6M5 and Blayd A6M2.

 

If one would spend some time there are NACA reports about A6M2 flight characterisitcs, mainly stability, effectivness of elevator, ailerons and rudder. Also stall characteristics.

This I also have, it should not be hard to get them. I think Smithsonian National Air and Space museum has them.

 

And plenty of other sources.

 

Not to mention about couple of flyable machines along with whole documentation gathered in process of restoring them.

Edited January 3, 2015 by Hiromachi

[Solty]

Its not our job to make aircraft to fight each other.

 

Its our aim to make aircraft simulations to the highest possible level.

 

We have some Axis aircraft planned but they are further down our roadmap.

 

Pman

I am just saying that you are cutting yourself the profit you could get from those planes. People like to fight. That is what is interesting in Digital COMBAT Simulator.

 

I know that fidelity is going to be high, and those two things (highest possible level of simulation and opposing aircraft) do not exclude each other.

 

I have many friends who said "I would buy it, if there was anything to do with it" when I was telling them that P-51D is a good buy, at a time that there was no Dora. And when Dora came out they bought both planes at once.

[Pman]

I am just saying that you are cutting yourself the profit you could get from those planes. People like to fight. That is what is interesting in Digital COMBAT Simulator.

 

I know that fidelity is going to be high, and those two things (highest possible level of simulation and opposing aircraft) do not exclude each other.

 

I have many friends who said "I would buy it, if there was anything to do with it" when I was telling them that P-51D is a good buy, at a time that there was no Dora. And when Dora came out they bought both planes at once.

 

Its not really any different then when we have to exclude any aircraft, the list of aircraft that I would love to do for DCS is huge, but there are so many constraints that I have to be pragmatic about which ones are viable to do.

 

Most of the aircraft we have on our development plan are planned to be on the EU theater, we have no plans to expand this to the pacific theater. Alot of the aircraft in our plans have at one time or another served in the RAF. Being a UK based company that should be understandable :)

 

Pman

[Hiromachi]

Well Pman, aircraft like Spitfire Vc, Spitfire VIII, Bristol Beaufighter or Avenger MK I certainly served in RAF or Royal Naval Air Service :P

[bongodriver]

Do me a DCS Beaufighter and I will start a new religion in your name Pman!

[Pman]

Well Pman, aircraft like Spitfire Vc, Spitfire VIII, Bristol Beaufighter or Avenger MK I certainly served in RAF or Royal Naval Air Service :P

 

Spit V is on the cards, Beaufighter, Avenger and Mk VIII Spitfire are not in our plans. Sorry guys but the Pacific theater really isnt something that we are VEAO will be getting involved with. We are much more about Europe, Africa and the Med

 

Do me a DCS Beaufighter and I will start a new religion in your name Pman!

 

Hah, although TFC has one sitting in the hangar you and I know the chances of that thing flying anytime soon ;)

 

Anyway lets not hijack another projects thread with VEAO projects huh?

 

Pman

[flare2000x]

Sorry guys but the Pacific theater really isnt something that we are VEAO will be getting involved with. We are much more about Europe, Africa and the Med

 

This doesn't bother me. The MTO/ETO are my favourite theatres in WWII, the pacific never really appealed to me. Nothing to look at over the sea! Put me over France, though, or Italy . . . . :pilotfly:

 

Flare

[fastfreddie]

To keep with the late war fighters, the George and/or Frank would fit in nicely (would prefer the George if just one is modeled).

 

I agree ... at least until someone tackles early to mid war fighters to fill the void. Late war Japanese fighters would be required to compete against Mustangs/Spits/Bearcats.

 

I think the smartest thing that DCS or its third party developers did was release the F-86 and in relatively quick time frame(for DCS) announce the Mig-15 with its release in a good order. Yes some of these planes are great to fly but I think the majority of customers in the future or close to it will only look at the modules when it has something (human) to fly against. The A10 and Blackshark were easy to put out there by themselves because of the ground attack focus. The Mustang sat alone time by itself on my shelf with little attention until the Dora release. I haven't bought the Mig-21 for the that reason alone and hope developers put that into perspective. There are plenty of titles rolling out so just buying everything because its new won't work forever ... only so much time to fly anyway. I will get the P40 at some point but what am I going to do with it after the first couple of days when I've figured out how to land/takeoff/all the controls. Get slaughtered by Dora's or K-4?

Edited January 3, 2015 by fastfreddie

[CorsairHundo]

Don't forget the hellcat and corsair, p-38 in the pacific. I understand the interst of the company being in thee UK and having more interest in the European theater. I prefer the pacific theater so hearing they have no intention at all going that way in disappointing.

 

With that being said a real European map and surrondings is sure needed for the immersion factor

 

 

 

 

I agree ... at least until someone tackles early to mid war fighters to fill the void. Late war Japanese fighters would be required to compete against Mustangs/Spits/Bearcats.

 

I think the smartest thing that DCS or its third party developers did was release the F-86 and in relatively quick time frame(for DCS) announce the Mig-15 with its release in a good order. Yes some of these planes are great to fly but I think the majority of customers in the future or close to it will only look at the modules when it has something (human) to fly against. The A10 and Blackshark were easy to put out there by themselves because of the ground attack focus. The Mustang sat alone time by itself on my shelf with little attention until the Dora release. I haven't bought the Mig-21 for the that reason alone and hope developers put that into perspective. There are plenty of titles rolling out so just buying everything because its new won't work forever ... only so much time to fly anyway. I will get the P40 at some point but what am I going to do with it after the first couple of days when I've figured out how to land/takeoff/all the controls. Get slaughtered by Dora's or K-4?

[Absolut]

Its not our job to make aircraft to fight each other.

 

Its our aim to make aircraft simulations to the highest possible level.

 

We have some Axis aircraft planned but they are further down our roadmap.

 

Pman

 

 

 

so why you make warbirds ?

a 747 can do it too in this case or ?

i mean this Plattform isnt called DCS because of its zivil caracter.

your Statement has me very disapointed, especially because of your Roadmap and its great birds bringing out.

It is more than right to expect a combat Situation for a combat Simulator. This is why i realy enjoy flyn BoS because of its combat carater and how it diliver that Feeling. I was sure DCS means a highest possible Simulation of aircraft TO FIGHT EACH OTHER. But now i am disapointed!

Edited January 3, 2015 by Absolut

[nervousenergy]

I have many friends who said "I would buy it, if there was anything to do with it" when I was telling them that P-51D is a good buy, at a time that there was no Dora. And when Dora came out they bought both planes at once.

This was me. I bought the A-10 back when it came out 4 years ago, loaded it up a few times, marveled at the complexity and faithfulness of the simulation, then promptly shelved it and went back to fighting in the war-torn skies of IL2 1946. Systems management didn't interest me that much, ground targets aren't played by real people, and stick -n- rudder flying wasn't nearly as important as working the weapons systems. I didn't even really think about DCS again until the Pony came out, but I didn't buy it. The P-51 wasn't my favorite allied fighter to begin with, and there wasn't anything to do with it in Crimea circa 2010.

 

Then the Dora was released, and for the first time in over 3 years I bought a DCS module, and was amazed. It's still Crimea, and the multiplayer performance is terrible compared to any other current WWII sim (1946, BoS, CLoD), but I couldn't get enough of that incredible flight model and fighting with/against others using that same model. I bought and learned the P-51, then a sale came along and I got the F-86, the Huey, and FC3. Pre-ordered the Kurfurst, as the 109 was one of my favorite aircraft. Picked up the Mig-21 on sale last week, and I'll get the Mig-15 next month.

 

But it all started with that perfect pair of opponents: the Dora and the Pony. Even with the sale pricing, DCS is into me for well into triple figures, with no end in sight (thank god.) 1946 has been dying for a long time (just too old), CloD is OK but limited and still has some bugs (there's only so much the TF guys can do without source), and BoS has been a disappointment. There are a LOT of WWII simulation enthusiasts looking with hopeful eyes at DCS.

 

Someone needs to announce a Frank or George and a Hellcat, and watch those wallets open. You've got to start off with a well-matched fighting pair, though. That and some islands to fight over.

[Hiromachi]

I repeat again, the possibility of getting George or Frank is lower than any Zero or Tony. the main issue is engine, Homare. Which differed widely even in similar models. There was Homare 11, Japanese Army developed Ha-45-12 (Homare 12), than both branches went for better performing Homare 21 (Ha-45-21) but even this model had a "submodels". Some 21s had extended radiator fins for better cooling performance and were clear to run at higher boost and rpm, some while having higher compression ratio had same cooling area as Homare 11 and could not be running any higher.

 

All this comes from single problem that Japanese tried to build very powerful engine with limited (almost compact size) with low fuel consuption. Due to worse and worse resources situation it could not be produced with sufficient quality, but when run and maintained properly it was a brilliant design.

 

One way or another, it would be complicated to work on those planes.

 

As VAEO is working or will be working on Grumman Wildcat and also P-40F is right on the horizon best way is to go for something like Zero(but thats where community would have to convince some developers).

Edited January 3, 2015 by Hiromachi

[Pman]

so why you make warbirds ?

a 747 can do it too in this case or ?

i mean this Plattform isnt called DCS because of its zivil caracter.

your Statement has me very disapointed, especially because of your Roadmap and its great birds bringing out.

It is more than right to expect a combat Situation for a combat Simulator. This is why i realy enjoy flyn BoS because of its combat carater and how it diliver that Feeling. I was sure DCS means a highest possible Simulation of aircraft TO FIGHT EACH OTHER. But now i am disapointed!

 

I am sorry you feel disappointed however this is just how it is.

 

Our aircraft will be combat capable but I have a very clear roadmap of what aircraft we have access to and an interest in bringing to DCS.

 

As DCS WW2 expands I am sure aircraft will come along that our aircraft can fight if that is what pilots want to do.

 

But in the same way that we do not balance our aircraft I can't start chasing aircraft to fill certain roles making the work of my teams harder when there are better aircraft more in line with what we want to develop that are easier to access

 

For example, someone mentioned the Zero's in the states, although we have contacts over there and some good friends we live in the UK, over 3000 miles away. Where as Duxford or Northweald I can get to in an hours drive...

 

Pman