Warthog HOTAS Broken with 1.2.8?

[Vortex225]

Have you checked to verify your Warthog HOTAS is functioning properly in the TARGET software? It's easy to do with the script editor. Did everything work properly in the open beta?

[Whiskeybravo]

As already stated I don't use the TARGET software, don't see the need. And I didn't install the beta I went straight from 1.27 to 1.28.

 

WB.

[Chichco]

Sry my Engl.

If im correct u need TARGET coz default DirectX drivers support joysticks up to 32 buttons. TM Hotas have more buttons, so u have to run TARGET to have all buttons on joy working. BTW i always clear all settings (not axis) in DCS and using same TARGET profile, like attached. U can open it with TARGET.

A10C.rar

[Derbysieger]

Sry my Engl.

If im correct u need TARGET coz default DirectX drivers support joysticks up to 32 buttons. TM Hotas have more buttons, so u have to run TARGET to have all buttons on joy working. BTW i always clear all settings (not axis) in DCS and using same TARGET profile, like that.

 

Well, DCS recognizes all buttons my stick and throttle so I don't really see the point in using a TARGET profile for DCS

[SkateZilla]

Well, DCS recognizes all buttons my stick and throttle so I don't really see the point in using a TARGET profile for DCS

 

Clear the Settings,

Exit DCS,

Unplug the Controllers,

Rename the /Saved Games/DCS/Input/ Folder so DCS W has to re-build it,

Plugin Controllers,

Boot DCS.

 

 

DCS Should Autodetect the Warthog Stick and Throttle,

I dont think it auto detects it if it's mapped in Combined mode in TARGET, etc.

Edited April 28, 2014 by SkateZilla

[Derbysieger]

I'm just wondering - why would you combine stick and throttle?

For the A-10C the Warthog HOTAS has always been pretty much plug&play for me. Just a few changes because I have trackIR and like to have zoom and gear up/down on my HOTAS.

[Chichco]

Well, DCS recognizes all buttons my stick and throttle so I don't really see the point in using a TARGET profile for DCS

Hmm.. For me in Windows7 joy settings when i switch LASTE i have pressed only PATH (button#27) and ALT (button#28 ), but ALT/HDG not have a button. Interesting, how u switch to ALT/HDG in DCS by joy?

Edited April 28, 2014 by Chichco

[Derbysieger]

It just works... if you plugin the Warthog HOTAS and then start DCS you get a default profile for the A-10C where everything is already mapped as it should be except for Trim. So I just remove the modifiers on the trim hat, assign gear up/down and put zoom on the slider. That's it. All the three way switches just work and in the options the middle position is greyed out.

 

Edit:

Here's how the options Menu for the LASTE category looks for me:

 

Edited April 28, 2014 by Derbysieger

[Chichco]

Rgr that. I have many modules and TARGET let me configure controls more flexible for other vehicles (for example 1 button switches by circle all aiming modes in jets, u know u cant do it w/o TARGET), so its more easy and faster for me to switch profile in TARGET for next veh than exit from/launch TARGET only for A10C.

 

BTW. I made in TARGET something like HOTAS for all vehicles, so i use keyboard only for chat and change view. Also in TARGET u can made LASTE for all type of vehs, in DCS u cant. TARGET gives more buttons in Combined mode, more than on keyboard. I think w/o TARGET its only joy+trottle, but with TARGET u can make really HOTAS for any aircraft.

Edited April 28, 2014 by Chichco
BTW

[Vortex225]

As already stated...

 

We're off to a great start.

 

I understand that you think you don't need to use the TARGET software. While this is technically true when it comes to playing DCS: A-10C, the software is helpful for all sorts of reasons. For someone willing to plunk down that much cash for such high-end kit, I find it odd you choose ignore a large portion of what makes it such a robust piece of hardware. But I digress... :doh:

 

The software allows you to diagnose the health of your HOTAS - to make sure it's actually working properly. If you don't care about that, then I can't help you.

[cichlidfan]

Hmm.. For me in Windows7 joy settings when i switch LASTE i have pressed only PATH (button#27) and ALT (button#28 ), but ALT/HDG not have a button. Interesting, how u switch to ALT/HDG in DCS by joy?

 

That function does not have a DX output. It works in the sim because, the sim has a command in the default Warthog lua that is designed specifically for that switch. The same is true for the Pinkie Switch, Boat Switch, etc.

 

Outside of DCS you would need to create a Target script to map a function to that position.

[Whiskeybravo]

We're off to a great start.

 

I understand that you think you don't need to use the TARGET software. While this is technically true when it comes to playing DCS: A-10C, the software is helpful for all sorts of reasons. For someone willing to plunk down that much cash for such high-end kit, I find it odd you choose ignore a large portion of what makes it such a robust piece of hardware. But I digress... :doh:

 

The software allows you to diagnose the health of your HOTAS - to make sure it's actually working properly. If you don't care about that, then I can't help you.

 

No need to be like that. I appreciate your help but I'd already answered your question in an earlier post.

 

I've read a few things about the TARGET software causing problems for some people so I've avoided it and all worked well till this recent update. I can diagnose the health of my HOTAS using Windows device manager - all buttons and axes are recognised and working.

 

Again thanks for the advice.

 

WB.

[Whiskeybravo]

It just works... if you plugin the Warthog HOTAS and then start DCS you get a default profile for the A-10C where everything is already mapped as it should be except for Trim. So I just remove the modifiers on the trim hat, assign gear up/down and put zoom on the slider. That's it. All the three way switches just work and in the options the middle position is greyed out.

 

Edit:

Here's how the options Menu for the LASTE category looks for me:

 

 

Thanks Derbysieger, you've described exactly how it was for me with 1.27 but 1.28 is different for some reason. Maybe the .diff.lue file extension is the issue.

 

What's interesting here is that the column titles in the above post reflect the fact that a Warthog HOTAS is installed. In the scenie below you can see that my system only recognises the stick and throttle as a 2 axis 19 button joystick and a 5 axis 32 button joystick. Could this be the issue? ALthough, having said that, it was like that in 1.27 and still worked OK.

 

Anyone know how to force DCS to recognise the Warthog HOTAS?

 

 

 

Regards,

 

WB.

Edited April 29, 2014 by Whiskeybravo

[Whiskeybravo]

Just to clarify windows sees the Warthog for what it is:

 

 

WB.

[cichlidfan]

Just to clarify windows sees the Warthog for what it is:

 

WB.

 

Have you tried a repair?

[Flagrum]

I don't get what the problem is. Are you guys missing an entry like "LAAP Mode Selector (ALT/HDG)"? Afaik there is no such entry and never was (just checked with an old 1.2.6 install).

 

The way DCS knows that you switched to ALT/HDG is that the switch is neither set to PATH nor ALT.

 

If you have cleared/deleted your old 1.2.7 controller config in your user directory, DCS uses the default profile for the TM WH and that works fine under 1.2.8.

 

edit:

disregard this posting ... I should probably have read the whole thread before posting ... :o)

Edited April 29, 2014 by Flagrum

[Whiskeybravo]

Have you tried a repair?

 

Yes tried that, and deleted all profiles and unplugged the Warthog etc as mentioned in another post.

 

The joys of computers!! :helpsmilie:

 

WB.

[Zabuzard]

I think I have a related issue, maybe the same dunno. Experienced some problems in the Mustang with the HOTASs centered positions:

 

http://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?t=123212

[Vortex225]

No need to be like that.

 

 

I've read a few things about the TARGET software causing problems

Some people also claim vaccinations cause problems, but this shouldn't stop you from following sound medical advice; in this case, this roughly equates to the software designed specifically by the manufacturer to fully diagnose the functionality of your device. Using Windows DM to check your Warthog HOTAS is similar to taking a Porsche to your local Sears for repairs.

 

 

All this aside, it's good to hear that your device is likely in good working order. It might be worth the effort to install the open beta and see if your HOTAS is functioning properly in that client. Since it is independent from the regular version of the game, it would be helpful to see if the problem can be replicated.

 

Failing all of this, you could always turn to the nuclear option - a full HD wipe and reinstall of the OS. It's painful, but can sometimes solve pesky problems like this. Of course, I would encourage you to exhaust all of your other options first.

 

Good luck! Hope you can get it working again.

[9.JG27 DavidRed]

i have the same problem like the OP but just with the P51,...very likely with the A10c as well, but i havent tried it as i dont really fly it...the main controls like stick axis, rudder pedals,throttle,rpm, and gun trigger are still working, but all those two position and three position switches on the warthog throttle are gone.a brief look into the luas showed, that those files look now completely different....

[keets_eaf92]

Whilst helping the OP, I've seen strange behaviour with the options and auto recovery since upgrade to 1.2.8.

 

I've just renamed my saved games/DCS folder and fired the game up and gone into controls and it's blank. Swapping between the tabs (System, Audio, Controls), it stayed in this state.

 

I also couldn't turn the in game music down/off without doing the following:

Turn down in game music, click ok (nothing happens)

Go to system tab and do something (change texture map, click ok)

Go back to audio and check in game music is 0%

Click cancel (music stops)

 

After doing the above, I the go back to controls and it is populated. Selecting A10 Sim, ALL commands, I operate the boat switch with my Warthog and like the OP, only the boat switch forward is picked up. Boat switch Aft has no effect.

 

I do have Target s/w installed.

 

If I copy back my old Saved Games/DCS folder, all is working ok.

[sobe]

Maybe its the late hour, but I am having a hard time understanding this thread.

I have 2 questions.

First, what is the nature of the changes-what default key functions for the default A10 lua file have changed and what am I supposed to do about it? I use the default for A10, but have a script for BS2.

Second, I am running a Helios profile for the A10 and BS2, will going from 1.27 to 1.28 break the Helios profile?

[Wolf Rider]

Try reinstalling the Warthog drivers

[v2tec]

Does the reinstallation of warthog drivers help - Any experience right now?

 

Very anoying bug - why can't they keep the controller settings when updating :(

 

BTW: I just figured out, that thrustmaster has new warthog drivers with firmware 20 for the throttle - I just give it a try...

What a pitty - the link on the thrustmaster website for firmware update is totally crap. If you need the right link:

http://ts.thrustmaster.com/download/accessories/pc/hotas/manual/HOTAS_Warthog/Firmware_update/Warthog_Firmware_procedure_Online_v1_ENG.pdf

Edited May 1, 2014 by v2tec

[marrow]

Few things I have learned about the current input setups:

 

Each aircraft has default profiles for each device, e.g.

 

\Eagle Dynamics\DCS World\Mods\aircrafts\A-10C\Input\A-10C\joystick\Joystick - HOTAS Warthog.lua

 

Your personal changes (and changes ONLY) to the default profiles are saved in e.g. '\Saved Games\DCS\Config\Input\Joystick - HOTAS Warthog {FB419CA0-B25D-11e2-8009-444553540000}.diff.lua'.

 

1.2.8 has a script that copies and converts your old personal "device".lua configs to new "device".diff.lua configs so that they are compatible with the new system.

 

You can delete the whole Input folder and as soon as you start to modify the default inputs it will create new personal folders with .diff.lua files only.

 

If you are using TARGET with TM Warthog like I am (I only use it only for the Throttle, Joystick and MFDS are own devices since I don't need to customize those), you can create your own "default" device profile for A-10C just by copying 'Throttle - HOTAS Warthog.lua' in DCS folder to 'Thrustmaster Combined.lua'. It will use it as default profile for device 'Thrustmaster Combined' and all the 3-position switches work as they should, as long as you map the relevant switches to DX buttons same way as the throttle has for default.