ShuRugal Posted May 17, 2014 Posted May 17, 2014 So, last night my copy of windows 8 forcibly updated itself to 8.1, and now i'm getting 10-15 FPS in cockpit. If i go out of cockpit, i get 60. Any advice?
joey45 Posted May 17, 2014 Posted May 17, 2014 What's your setup? The only way to make sense out of change is to plunge into it, move with it, and join the dance. "Me, the 13th Duke of Wybourne, here on the ED forums at 3 'o' clock in the morning, with my reputation. Are they mad.." https://ko-fi.com/joey45
AtaliaA1 Posted May 17, 2014 Posted May 17, 2014 So, last night my copy of windows 8 forcibly updated itself to 8.1, and now i'm getting 10-15 FPS in cockpit. If i go out of cockpit, i get 60. Any advice? U can always do a system restore. and U can also tell windows not to update to that ver. of win8. This was a Boutique Builder iBuypower rig. Until I got the tinker bug again i7 920 @3.6Mhz 12Gig Corsair XMS3 ram 1600 Nvidia 760 SLi w/4Gig DDR5 Ram Intel 310 SSD HDD 160 Gb + Western Digital 4Terabyte HDD Creative SB X-Fi HD Audio Logitech X-530 5.1 Surround Speaker System Dual Acer 32"Monitors. PSU 1200 w Thermaltake Win10 64Bit.
ShuRugal Posted May 18, 2014 Author Posted May 18, 2014 U can always do a system restore. and U can also tell windows not to update to that ver. of win8. I did tell wind0z n0t 2 update 2 that v3rsion, h4ve b33n 4 months. Last night, It installed the updated without my permission and rebooted without asking. Needless to say, I'm moderately annoyed. What's your setup? MSI GT70 2OD I7 4700MQ GTX 780M 24GB DDR3 Primary drive is 2x 128GB SSD in RAID 0 for 256GB capacity and 10GB/s read/write rate. It was previously running on 1920x1080 with all distance sliders maxed and all options to high at 30-50 FPS depending on aircraft and mission/weather. I've had to dumb down several of the graphics settings to get back to a steady 50FPS
Andi31 Posted May 18, 2014 Posted May 18, 2014 (edited) I have the same problem. In-Cockpit lagging horrible and outsite all's well. I have also testet to down the res. of cockpit and visib range. Nothing helped. :helpsmilie: EDIT: 8 GB RAM 3,4 GHz AMD Phenom II x4 Win 8.1 64bit Radeon HD 7850 2GB Edited May 18, 2014 by Andi31 [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]
AtaliaA1 Posted May 18, 2014 Posted May 18, 2014 Removing the Update by way of Windows Restore is the out. you could also take a look at the change log for 8.1 to correct (if possible) the internal change that is causing the slowdown. This was a Boutique Builder iBuypower rig. Until I got the tinker bug again i7 920 @3.6Mhz 12Gig Corsair XMS3 ram 1600 Nvidia 760 SLi w/4Gig DDR5 Ram Intel 310 SSD HDD 160 Gb + Western Digital 4Terabyte HDD Creative SB X-Fi HD Audio Logitech X-530 5.1 Surround Speaker System Dual Acer 32"Monitors. PSU 1200 w Thermaltake Win10 64Bit.
joey45 Posted May 18, 2014 Posted May 18, 2014 MSI GT70 2OD I7 4700MQ GTX 780M 24GB DDR3 Primary drive is 2x 128GB SSD in RAID 0 for 256GB capacity and 10GB/s read/write rate. Impresive laptop. The only way to make sense out of change is to plunge into it, move with it, and join the dance. "Me, the 13th Duke of Wybourne, here on the ED forums at 3 'o' clock in the morning, with my reputation. Are they mad.." https://ko-fi.com/joey45
ShuRugal Posted May 19, 2014 Author Posted May 19, 2014 Impresive laptop. DCS doesn't thiink so, now that I'm stuck with 8.1 (unless i feel like reimaging, which would take me the better part of a month to recover my stuff if i did.)
Mustang Posted May 19, 2014 Posted May 19, 2014 I have the same problem. In-Cockpit lagging horrible and outsite all's well. I have also testet to down the res. of cockpit and visib range. Nothing helped. :helpsmilie: EDIT: 8 GB RAM 3,4 GHz AMD Phenom II x4 Win 8.1 64bit Radeon HD 7850 2GB Are you using the latest 14.4 Catalyst driver with that 7850 of yours? that alone will bump up your FPS.
Andi31 Posted May 19, 2014 Posted May 19, 2014 Are you using the latest 14.4 Catalyst driver with that 7850 of yours? that alone will bump up your FPS. Nope, it's 13.12 I'll istall 14.4 and see if it works. Thanks :) [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]
AtaliaA1 Posted May 19, 2014 Posted May 19, 2014 DCS doesn't thiink so, now that I'm stuck with 8.1 (unless i feel like reimaging, which would take me the better part of a month to recover my stuff if i did.) Why wouldn't you just Restore instead of "Reimaging"? Change log of the update is on Windows website I am sure. This was a Boutique Builder iBuypower rig. Until I got the tinker bug again i7 920 @3.6Mhz 12Gig Corsair XMS3 ram 1600 Nvidia 760 SLi w/4Gig DDR5 Ram Intel 310 SSD HDD 160 Gb + Western Digital 4Terabyte HDD Creative SB X-Fi HD Audio Logitech X-530 5.1 Surround Speaker System Dual Acer 32"Monitors. PSU 1200 w Thermaltake Win10 64Bit.
ShuRugal Posted May 20, 2014 Author Posted May 20, 2014 (edited) Why wouldn't you just Restore instead of "Reimaging"? Change log of the update is on Windows website I am sure. because system restore points are wiped with full version updates... I can't use system restore to to roll back to 8 because no restore points are left from 8. As to the change log... I'll get right on that. Because I definitely have enough of a background in software engineering to find the cause and make a patch for it. EDIT: Right, I found the "Change Log" that M$ has published: http://windows.microsoft.com/en-us/windows-8/whats-new?ocid=NP-UPGR_O_WOL_DIS_NULL_S14Update-Support_Null_01 looks like they've made some changes to the start window... do you think that could be my problem? Do you know where I can get the windows 8 start screen to fix this? Or maybe it's the new taskbar availability, so you can see it even in apps mode? Oh, wait, it looks like Microsoft hasn't posted their developer changelog publicly.... Gee, who would have ever expected that? Edited May 20, 2014 by ShuRugal
Wolf Rider Posted May 20, 2014 Posted May 20, 2014 http://support.microsoft.com/kb/2919355#knownissues City Hall is easier to fight, than a boys' club - an observation :P "Resort is had to ridicule only when reason is against us." - Jefferson "Give a group of potheads a bunch of weed and nothing to smoke out of, and they'll quickly turn into engineers... its simply amazing." EVGA X99 FTW, EVGA GTX980Ti FTW, i7 5930K, 16Gb Corsair Dominator 2666Hz, Windows 7 Ultimate 64Bit, Intel 520 SSD x 2, Samsung PX2370 monitor and all the other toys - "I am a leaf on the wind, watch how I soar"
AtaliaA1 Posted May 20, 2014 Posted May 20, 2014 When Looking over the "Improvements" section of this update I saw this. Increases performance and reliability when you use multi-display configurations for portrait-first device experiences. As an "Experienced Software Engineer" I am sure U are aware that this sometimes means Down Grading the performance in an effort to increase "Reliability". Maybe the fix is there? But it may be hard coded. This was a Boutique Builder iBuypower rig. Until I got the tinker bug again i7 920 @3.6Mhz 12Gig Corsair XMS3 ram 1600 Nvidia 760 SLi w/4Gig DDR5 Ram Intel 310 SSD HDD 160 Gb + Western Digital 4Terabyte HDD Creative SB X-Fi HD Audio Logitech X-530 5.1 Surround Speaker System Dual Acer 32"Monitors. PSU 1200 w Thermaltake Win10 64Bit.
ShuRugal Posted May 21, 2014 Author Posted May 21, 2014 As an "Experienced Software Engineer" I am sure U are aware that this sometimes means Down Grading the performance in an effort to increase "Reliability". I suggest you re-read my post before you patronize me (again). I said I do NOT have the software engineering background to roll back OS-level changes...
Wolf Rider Posted May 21, 2014 Posted May 21, 2014 (edited) ~ As to the change log... I'll get right on that. Because I definitely have enough of a background in software engineering to find the cause and make a patch for it. ~ easy enough to misunderstand... but anyway, hope you sort your problem out and get the sim back to running properly for you Edited May 21, 2014 by Wolf Rider City Hall is easier to fight, than a boys' club - an observation :P "Resort is had to ridicule only when reason is against us." - Jefferson "Give a group of potheads a bunch of weed and nothing to smoke out of, and they'll quickly turn into engineers... its simply amazing." EVGA X99 FTW, EVGA GTX980Ti FTW, i7 5930K, 16Gb Corsair Dominator 2666Hz, Windows 7 Ultimate 64Bit, Intel 520 SSD x 2, Samsung PX2370 monitor and all the other toys - "I am a leaf on the wind, watch how I soar"
ShuRugal Posted May 22, 2014 Author Posted May 22, 2014 I have resorted for now to dumping things like anisotropic filtering, lowering viewdistances, etc. It runs now, but it looks (comparatively) like shit.
Snoopy Posted May 22, 2014 Posted May 22, 2014 I'm using windows 8.1 and haven't experienced any loss of FPS so I wouldn't think it was directly related to windows 8.1. v303d Fighter Group Discord | Virtual 303d Fighter Group Website
ShuRugal Posted May 22, 2014 Author Posted May 22, 2014 no, the upgrade probably broke a configuration somewhere that DCS was dependant on. A clean install would probably solve it, but I really don't have time for that shit.
AtaliaA1 Posted May 22, 2014 Posted May 22, 2014 ShuRugal I would bet dollars to donuts its their effort to increase reliability with dual monitor set ups that has your system slowing now. Can you change out the video card By way of borrowing one from a friend to see if this changes anything for U.? or if U have one laying around? What are your specs? by the by. This was a Boutique Builder iBuypower rig. Until I got the tinker bug again i7 920 @3.6Mhz 12Gig Corsair XMS3 ram 1600 Nvidia 760 SLi w/4Gig DDR5 Ram Intel 310 SSD HDD 160 Gb + Western Digital 4Terabyte HDD Creative SB X-Fi HD Audio Logitech X-530 5.1 Surround Speaker System Dual Acer 32"Monitors. PSU 1200 w Thermaltake Win10 64Bit.
ShuRugal Posted May 23, 2014 Author Posted May 23, 2014 my specs are here: http://forums.eagle.ru/showpost.php?p=2068954&postcount=4 I have disabled multi-monitor output, to no avail.
Wolf Rider Posted May 23, 2014 Posted May 23, 2014 Silly question but you are running off the 780m and not the HD Graphics 4600? City Hall is easier to fight, than a boys' club - an observation :P "Resort is had to ridicule only when reason is against us." - Jefferson "Give a group of potheads a bunch of weed and nothing to smoke out of, and they'll quickly turn into engineers... its simply amazing." EVGA X99 FTW, EVGA GTX980Ti FTW, i7 5930K, 16Gb Corsair Dominator 2666Hz, Windows 7 Ultimate 64Bit, Intel 520 SSD x 2, Samsung PX2370 monitor and all the other toys - "I am a leaf on the wind, watch how I soar"
Abburo Posted May 23, 2014 Posted May 23, 2014 (edited) I am seconding Wolf Rider remark. Happens to me on a laptop (Lenovo) with a hardware button for on/off the Geforce video card. Video drivers updating can help a lot also !!!! Normally, the video usage switch is made automatically, but if for some reason something goes wrong with their drivers then you might be stucked on the 4600. Force Geforce running in all conditions and see what is happening. Edited May 23, 2014 by Abburo Romanian Community for DCS World HW Specs: AMD 7900X, 64GB RAM, RTX 4090, HOTAS Virpil, MFG, CLS-E, custom
AtaliaA1 Posted May 23, 2014 Posted May 23, 2014 Silly question but you are running off the 780m and not the HD Graphics 4600? Good eye Wolf Rider. Missed that one. and it is right on the mark. This was a Boutique Builder iBuypower rig. Until I got the tinker bug again i7 920 @3.6Mhz 12Gig Corsair XMS3 ram 1600 Nvidia 760 SLi w/4Gig DDR5 Ram Intel 310 SSD HDD 160 Gb + Western Digital 4Terabyte HDD Creative SB X-Fi HD Audio Logitech X-530 5.1 Surround Speaker System Dual Acer 32"Monitors. PSU 1200 w Thermaltake Win10 64Bit.
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