Metal Hawk Posted June 24, 2014 Posted June 24, 2014 Is there any hope we'll see a proper manual for Mi-8? Like in the case of the Huey, I delay learning the manual start procedure because of that. A proper manual really helps a lot. P.S. Huey is out of beta but the manual is still WIP :( (Although the most important things are documented). I hope this does not happen to Hips manual too.
Flagrum Posted June 24, 2014 Posted June 24, 2014 Is there any hope we'll see a proper manual for Mi-8? Like in the case of the Huey, I delay learning the manual start procedure because of that. A proper manual really helps a lot. P.S. Huey is out of beta but the manual is still WIP :( (Although the most important things are documented). I hope this does not happen to Hips manual too. http://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?p=2077351#post2077351
YoYo Posted June 24, 2014 Posted June 24, 2014 Im waiting too. Some elements are in manual of BS2, pdf version is here: http://www.digitalcombatsimulator.com/en/downloads/documentation/dcs_bs_manual_en/ . Webmaster of http://www.yoyosims.pl Win 10 64, i9-13900 KF, RTX 5090 32Gb OC, RAM 64Gb Corsair Vengeance LED OC@3600MHz,, 3xSSD+3xSSD M.2 NVMe, Predator XB271HU res.2560x1440 27'' G-sync, Sound Blaster Z + 5.1, TiR5, [MSFS, P3Dv5, DCS, RoF, Condor2, IL-2 CoD/BoX] VR fly only: Meta Quest Pro
Metal Hawk Posted June 24, 2014 Author Posted June 24, 2014 Thanks Flagrum. It seems that they are just delayed from unforeseen matters. YoYo, I don't think that BS manual will help me on how to start the Mi-8 and use it's systems and armament :(.
YoYo Posted June 24, 2014 Posted June 24, 2014 Thanks Flagrum. It seems that they are just delayed from unforeseen matters. YoYo, I don't think that BS manual will help me on how to start the Mi-8 and use it's systems and armament :(. For sure not, but as I said - some elements (gauges, countermeasure systems ect) are too same in Mi-8MTV2. Use too: video startup tutorial of Matt: weapons: 1/ gun pods and ungided rockets: from training mission in DCS Mi-8 2/ bombs: http://forums.eagle.ru/showpost.php?p=1952306&postcount=5 And I hope too - the manual will be soon :). Webmaster of http://www.yoyosims.pl Win 10 64, i9-13900 KF, RTX 5090 32Gb OC, RAM 64Gb Corsair Vengeance LED OC@3600MHz,, 3xSSD+3xSSD M.2 NVMe, Predator XB271HU res.2560x1440 27'' G-sync, Sound Blaster Z + 5.1, TiR5, [MSFS, P3Dv5, DCS, RoF, Condor2, IL-2 CoD/BoX] VR fly only: Meta Quest Pro
fjacobsen Posted June 24, 2014 Posted June 24, 2014 Developement of the Mi-8 is very slow in my eyes. Nice they are about to release the F-86, but I would prefer one beta being finsished at a time, rather than having 3 beta aircraft (I still find the Huey to be in what could be called beta stage). | i7-10700K 3.8-5.1Ghz | 64GB RAM | RTX 4070 12GB | 1x1TB M.2. NVMe SSD | 1x2TB M.2. NVMe SSD | 2x2TB SATA SSD | 1x2TB HDD 7200 RPM | Win10 Home 64bit | Meta Quest 3 |
kefuddle Posted June 25, 2014 Posted June 25, 2014 Developement of the Mi-8 is very slow in my eyes. Nice they are about to release the F-86, but I would prefer one beta being finsished at a time, rather than having 3 beta aircraft (I still find the Huey to be in what could be called beta stage). +1
JG-1_Vogel Posted July 16, 2014 Posted July 16, 2014 I can understand the devs wanting to get their modules out the door. However I bought the UH-1 and Mi-8 modules thinking they would use the feedback from players to improve the products quickly yet they're still in beta even now. I'm eager to get hold of the mig-21 but I'd rather they keep hold of it until it's ready to be release instead of in a perpetual beta.
Luzifer Posted July 16, 2014 Posted July 16, 2014 UH-1 isn't beta anymore and the MiG-21 won't have a public beta.
Nickentik Posted July 27, 2014 Posted July 27, 2014 Hello Belsimtek. I bought your MI8 sim a year ago and its an impressive piece of work. the lack of a proper manual makes it very hard for me to enjoy it however. I will no longer buy any more belsimtek products as long as a manual is not provided.
cz_jc Posted July 27, 2014 Posted July 27, 2014 Hello Belsimtek. I bought your MI8 sim a year ago and its an impressive piece of work. the lack of a proper manual makes it very hard for me to enjoy it however. I will no longer buy any more belsimtek products as long as a manual is not provided. +1. Me too. I won't buy any more of your modules until all the bugs are fixed (read: never). Eagerly waiting for the Leatherneck Mig-21 :)
audax Posted July 27, 2014 Posted July 27, 2014 I don't believe they will release the manual anytime soon. The Sabre manual will probably be finished first.
Esac_mirmidon Posted July 27, 2014 Posted July 27, 2014 (edited) This could be a major error. I can´t understand why the Sabre complete manual could be released before the Hip one. Best said, i can´t understand why it´s possible to release a module without a manual. Inside "Beta" branch it seems there are space for this lack. Edited July 27, 2014 by Esac_mirmidon " You must think in russian.." [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Windows 7 Home Premium-Intel 2500K OC 4.6-SSD Samsung EVO 860- MSI GTX 1080 - 16G RAM - 1920x1080 27´ Hotas Rhino X-55-MFG Crosswind Rudder Pedals -Track IR 4
cichlidfan Posted July 27, 2014 Posted July 27, 2014 The Huey manual is still not finished. ASUS ROG Maximus VIII Hero, i7-6700K, Noctua NH-D14 Cooler, Crucial 32GB DDR4 2133, Samsung 950 Pro NVMe 256GB, Samsung EVO 250GB & 500GB SSD, 2TB Caviar Black, Zotac GTX 1080 AMP! Extreme 8GB, Corsair HX1000i, Phillips BDM4065UC 40" 4k monitor, VX2258 TouchScreen, TIR 5 w/ProClip, TM Warthog, VKB Gladiator Pro, Saitek X56, et. al., MFG Crosswind Pedals #1199, VolairSim Pit, Rift CV1 :thumbup:
audax Posted July 27, 2014 Posted July 27, 2014 Maybe Belsimtek just doesn't like finshing things. The Mi-8 is now in beta for a year, the Huey is "released" but without a complete manual and without multi seat capability (which I don't think we will ever get in any aircraft). I really like that they are releasing aircraft but it would be really nice if they could finish one for a change.
msalama Posted July 27, 2014 Posted July 27, 2014 without multi seat capability Multi-seat capability is ED's responsibility. Belsimtek have nothing to do with its implementation per se, because it's a core DCSW thing. The DCS Mi-8MTV2. The best aviational BBW experience you could ever dream of.
audax Posted July 27, 2014 Posted July 27, 2014 I know, this is why i wrote multi seat capability (which I don't think we will ever get in any aircraft). Also, it doesn't matter too much for me as a customer who exactly is responsible for a feature, I just want it. ;)
Dun_Aenghus Posted July 28, 2014 Posted July 28, 2014 I really wish we could get some feedback from the developers on this one. The Mi8 is an absolutely fantastic module and surely it wouldn't take too much to finish it. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]
NeilWillis Posted July 28, 2014 Posted July 28, 2014 Not much, just manpower, money and time. Which are you volunteering to give to them to expedite things?
audax Posted July 28, 2014 Posted July 28, 2014 Well...we already gave them the money, so I guess that doesn't count anymore? This is the problem with early access: Why finish the software when the customers already paid? ;)
NeilWillis Posted July 28, 2014 Posted July 28, 2014 Well...we already gave them the money, so I guess that doesn't count anymore? This is the problem with early access: Why finish the software when the customers already paid? ;) That point is hardly fair comment. You bought the open Beta for all 3 modules. And my post said TIME too. Remember, they are small organisations at this stage, with limited resources. Do you think they CHOOSE not to release the manual, or is it just that they have constraints, and are trying to juggle all their commitments while releasing modules the way they have to maintain a steady income stream? Let's just hold back on the unfair criticism, and give the guys a chance. After all, are you complaining about the quality of the modules that have been released? Would you like plenty more? Is it too much to ask to let them release semi-complete modules, and then fill in the gaps as they go?
audax Posted July 28, 2014 Posted July 28, 2014 That point is hardly fair comment. You bought the open Beta for all 3 modules. And my post said TIME too. Remember, they are small organisations at this stage, with limited resources. Do you think they CHOOSE not to release the manual, or is it just that they have constraints, and are trying to juggle all their commitments while releasing modules the way they have to maintain a steady income stream? Let's just hold back on the unfair criticism, and give the guys a chance. After all, are you complaining about the quality of the modules that have been released? Would you like plenty more? Is it too much to ask to let them release semi-complete modules, and then fill in the gaps as they go? They are having their priorities wrong in my opinion. There is not much missing from the Mi-8 module and after a year of open beta I expect a decent manual. There are also important parts missing from the Huey, so yes, I am complaining about the quality of the modules. They could be so much better with just a bit more effort. I complain because of missed opportunities for Belsimtek. It is fine that they release semi completed modules and fill in the gaps, the problem is just, that they should not ever stop filling in the gaps so they can actually finish the modules. I get the feeling that the development of the Mi-8 is currently on ice and that is not appropriate for an open beta.
Dima89 Posted July 28, 2014 Posted July 28, 2014 To be fair, it does seem that the Mi-8 has took a back seat while they try to get further modules out, which is probably why it is being interpreted that it is no longer an issue of concern.
Dun_Aenghus Posted July 28, 2014 Posted July 28, 2014 That point is hardly fair comment. You bought the open Beta for all 3 modules. And my post said TIME too. Remember, they are small organisations at this stage, with limited resources. Do you think they CHOOSE not to release the manual, or is it just that they have constraints, and are trying to juggle all their commitments while releasing modules the way they have to maintain a steady income stream? Let's just hold back on the unfair criticism, and give the guys a chance. After all, are you complaining about the quality of the modules that have been released? Would you like plenty more? Is it too much to ask to let them release semi-complete modules, and then fill in the gaps as they go? Well Neil, as others pointed out, I gave them my money. Nobody is unfairly criticising Belsimtek - the vast majority of people here are more than satisfied with the Mi8. However, the manual is a core component of such a complex module and there is a feeling that the Mi8 is getting left behind while they start churning out other stuff. Basically, a signal or piece of feedback from the team indicating that this will actually be finished is all I want. At the moment, the lack of activity, lack of comment and release of further modules shows the Mi8 could be left in its present unfinished state. This is just about simple clarification. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]
msalama Posted July 28, 2014 Posted July 28, 2014 There are also important parts missing from the Huey http://forums.eagle.ru/showpost.php?p=2121342&postcount=3 The DCS Mi-8MTV2. The best aviational BBW experience you could ever dream of.
Recommended Posts