Just bought Black Shark. Dissapointed

[KrizzKaliko]

SO i bought Black shark did the tutorials and short of tanking off my helicopter wont hove, I have tried everything. I am debating either asking for a refund or sending my x-55 stick back since their are no profiles out there for it, and I cant figure out how to set any of the F****** keys. Extremely Frustrated.:badmood:

 

 

Any Help WOULD BE APPRECIATED.

Edited August 5, 2014 by KrizzKaliko
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[MacEwan]

So you're having trouble hovering? is that it? I'm not trying to be sarcastic just a legitimate question so I can maybe offer some help.

[Flying Penguin]

If you give a little bit more detail we might be able to help, it's not clear what you are having difficulty with?

 

Does it not move or can't you hover it? You can set the keys up in the GUI, I wouldn't worry about profiles, it's usually better to make your own.

[Isegrim]

SO i bought Black shark did the tutorials and short of tanking off my helicopter wont hove, I have tried everything. I am debating either asking for a refund or sending my x-55 stick back since their are no profiles out there for it, and I cant figure out how to set any of the F****** keys. Extremely Frustrated.:badmood:

 

 

Any Help WOULD BE APPRECIATED.

 

Did you fly something else before?

What your equipment(Headtracker/Pedals etc.)?

 

As a tip you should not use the SST Software for your joystick, try to setup your buttons and axis ingame (DCS/Options).

 

Aditional tip: If you lift the KA-50 up from static on ground and its going >Noseup and slightly right bank and slightly left yaw > the KA-50 performs correct.:smilewink:

[Abburo]

The DCS in-game key changes are the best option.

Having a preset for your joystick is not really an option because each person have their own preferences. There are some topics arround with suggestions from different simmers about how they are using their buttons on hotas. Try read them before anything else.

 

Just relax a bit, is not either Saitek or DCS problem but is about your state of spirit.

[KrizzKaliko]

That's my problem is I'm trying to set up the trim left and to trim right excetera, there's just so many different things that I need to side I don't know which are important to have on the stick and throttle and which are important to just leave those keys, biggest problem is I can take off but I can't use the navigation and I can't you see I don't have her correctly I can play the weapons but that's if I can even stay in a spot for more than 2 second without crashing

[Isegrim]

That's my problem is I'm trying to set up the trim left and to trim right excetera, there's just so many different things that I need to side I don't know which are important to have on the stick and throttle and which are important to just leave those keys, biggest problem is I can take off but I can't use the navigation and I can't you see I don't have her correctly I can play the weapons but that's if I can even stay in a spot for more than 2 second without crashing

 

 

Sorry but i cant get correctly what you are trying to say with this.

 

Sorry if iam that direct but the way you have written above just seems like the words of a hysteric crying child !!!!!NO OFENCE!!!!!

But you have to be more correct with your proplems without that we can just speculate about your proplems. And the helpfull output will be pretty low....

 

Again NO OFFENCE just be more correct. :smilewink:

[Reticuli]

What's your HOTAS like? You shouldn't have to bother much with the keys. I think the only thing I use is crtl-w, alt-a, R ctrl-bkspc, crt-pause and I think that's it. That's when I first start up. Oh, then I hit 5 like twice.

 

I really need to get my X65 profile up so people can use it.

[Isegrim]

What's your HOTAS like? You shouldn't have to bother much with the keys. I think the only thing I use is crtl-w, alt-a, R ctrl-bkspc, crt-pause and I think that's it. That's when I first start up. Oh, then I hit 5 like twice.

 

I really need to get my X65 profile up so people can use it.

 

He has got an X 55

 

EDIT:

Also as written above joystick profiles are not very helpfull.

At first everybody is different and flys different also seting up your key/Button mapping yourself brings you more into the Aircrafts specific systems and so it helps learning about the Aircraft.

And btw i doubt that you only use the buttons you have written above ;)

Edited August 5, 2014 by Isegrim

[westr]

Have you set up your controls via the axis settings in the controls options? Have you had any previous experience with dcs products?:)

[Abburo]

Take a deep breath and start reading this topic that I searched it for you:

http://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?t=42060

 

Next, as other says here you have to take your time and make small steps. Don't expect to become an expert player/simmer over night. You will understand by yourself where do you want to have some specific controls. This takes a lot of time, like month, years... if this is too much for you then you might need to reconsider your options.

 

This community is very helpfull as long as is properly addressed!

[Isegrim]

Have you set up your controls via the axis settings in the controls options? Have you had any previous experience with dcs products?:)

 

He has FC3.A10-C and CA.

[ericoh]

Options -> Controls. Watch others profiles for key placement that makes sense. Set it up -> Practice.

 

Understanding the Trim. Very important for the Ka-50!

 

Edited August 5, 2014 by ericoh

[westr]

He has FC3.A10-C and CA.

 

I'm struggling to understand what he's doing wrong all I will say is you will not find a finer simulation of a helicopter so I would advice against giving up on it. Maybe to try from scratch choose an axis assignment like rudder for example and keep changing axis commands until you see it start moving (I.e rudder) and try and confirm you have correct responses. Helicopters are very difficult to control until you start to get used to them.

[Flagrum]

What Isegrim is trying to say (I think! :o) is ... calm down a bit. Being hectic won't help here.

 

If I understand you correctly, you are having difficulties to keep the helo stable in the air. First, make sure that you have configured your joystick and throttle axes correctly. That means, make sure there are no conflicts or double assignments (which could lead to very erratic control inputs). Just focus on "Flight Control Collective" (i.e. your X-55 throttle), "Flight Control Pitch" (joystic Y) and "Flight Control Roll" (joystick X axis) for the moment. If you have (well, you really should!) pedals, map them to "Flight Control Rudder". Then map a easily reachable button on the stick to "Trimmer". Then try it again.

 

If this does not help, record a track. Save a track file from the debriefing screen after a short flight and upload it here. This would immensely help us to understand what you are actually doing and how the problems manifests.

[westr]

That's my problem is I'm trying to set up the trim left and to trim right excetera, there's just so many different things that I need to side I don't know which are important to have on the stick and throttle and which are important to just leave those keys, biggest problem is I can take off but I can't use the navigation and I can't you see I don't have her correctly I can play the weapons but that's if I can even stay in a spot for more than 2 second without crashing

 

Have you read the section in your manual about trimming your aircraft and helicopter controls?

[Isegrim]

Helicopters are very difficult to control until you start to get used to them.

 

Thats correct and many of fixed wing pilots have proplems with getting used to helicopters.

I always notice that when doing online trainings with prior Fixed wing pilots and the KA-50.

 

 

What Isegrim is trying to say (I think! :o) is ... calm down a bit. Being hectic won't help here.

 

More or less yes :) but correctly i just was trying to get better informations about his proplems.

Cause what we are doing now here is starting to speculate and everybody throws in his thoughts.

In my opinion this can confuse him just even more.

 

:smilewink:

 

Ise

[Home Fries]

The shark is not an easy aircraft to learn. You not only need to understand how helicopters work (and trim), but you need to understand how the Ka-50 autopilot works in conjunction with (and at times at odds with) the trimmer.

 

This is one of the best primers on how the Ka-50 actually flies, as well as how the trimmer and autopilot work together. Reading this should clarify things.

 

This is the page on the ED Wiki for the Ka-50 training. There are lots of good references here.

 

Don't expect to be good at this overnight. Practice flying the Ka-50, practice the autopilot modes, and practice flying without the autopilot channels engaged. Also important is transitioning from level flight to a hover so that you can actually use the hover mode (it's really a maintain-hover mode, not an initiate-hover mode). Don't worry about shooting anything until you can transition to a hover and keep it in one spot; otherwise you will be in for more frustration.

 

Normally I recommend that people learn to fly the Huey before trying the Ka-50 because it will make you a much better helicopter pilot, but since you already have the Ka-50, what I said above is the way to go about it.

[whartsell]

IMHO the Shark is the hardest to learn of all the DCS aircraft. Just go in baby steps. As for setting up your controls its an iterative process. First i would make sure the Axis are configured how you expect them to be. I would then start simple and start mapping only the basic stuff you need to fly. e.g trim.etc. Then as you find yourself reaching for the keys often start mapping them to the stick.

 

I would also approach this like "real" flight training. 1) the dollar ride ..start out in the air clean and at medium altitude just to get a feel for the 'Shark. 2) start practicing level flight and turns

3) start climbing descending level and then turns. 4) hovering 5) landing and taking off.

 

you don't need too many mappings to perform the above. once you got all that down then move to navigation and then finally weapons employment. This is not something you can master in a day or a weekend. It will take some time. Also be sure to read the manual relavent to what your practicing...go do it....then read it again you will have questions.

 

You may also want to map the "active pause" button to your stick temporarily so when you get into trouble you can pause quickly,catch your breath,reference the manual,etc

[BitMaster]

Hoho HOLD YOUR HORSES ;) Rome wasn't built in a day !

 

You should NOT expect to learn everything in a few hours/days. The Ka-50 is not that complicated but for sure needs some stick time and research to understand the system and then find a way of interacting with it.

 

Novices to the Kamov usually battle with the TRIM, who hasn't ?

Well, there are tons of forum posts, read them, fly a bit, watch YT vids, fly again, fly with and without FD, with and without dampening..etc.. you will learn that TRIM behaves a bit different when with or w/o FD. ( The BLUE knob lit means you fly with FlightDirector and override some/most of the dampening systems ... it allows you to quickly override yaw and height stabilization etc... fly, fiddle, fly & fiddle again.... lots of exercise is what brings success here.

 

Take off..: Trim the stick a "bit" forward before taking off, unless you always want to fight the heli moving backwards

 

DO NOT fly around like a wild bee after taking off and then hit the AUTOHOVER button, it simply will quit on you, forcing you to disengage all AP's and fly gentle for a short period of time ( 1-2min I guess ) before the AP System has recalibrated. If you engage the AP to quick after sys-crash the buttons will flash, telling you to give the system more time to recalibrate. While recalibrating, try to move as little as possible, a normal straight flight path is ok, just now erratic ups and downs etc.. or your AP system will never recover.

 

What else could spoil your take-off... dunno... go & test what we wrote and check back with us.

 

I do recommend, if you basically know chopper flying, ENGAGE FD ( that will disable all dampening ) and enjoy the Ka untamed. It is actually more natural to fly and may give you some time to breath. Then, engage the APs one after another and test their modes and usability.

Engage nick&roll ( dampers only BUT HEAVILY IMPACTS TRIMMING ATTITUDE !!! #1 problem for beginners !! )

Engage YAW ( this will always fight your input if u forget to turn it OFF when needed !!)

Engage Altitude ( this will also fight any change in ALT, disengage when needed )

[Home Fries]

To correct/clarify a point in BitMaster's post above, flying around in Flight Director mode is great because FD removes the autopilot's control augmentation while keeping the dampening present. This means that you get the smoother control inputs without having the autopilot attempt to maintain a heading, airspeed, or altitude.

 

I like to go into FD mode when I'm flying in the mountains and I can't maintain a single heading or altitude to get to my steerpoint, but it's also quite useful for just flying around.

[Jumbik]

Is this some elaborate troll attempt?

 

If I would have to compare KA-50 to A-10 which you own then I would say following:

 

A-10 is easy to fly but hard to operate.

KA-50 is easy to operate but hard to fly.

 

 

Understanding basic helicopter moves and what happens when you do them is the key here.

 

I would suggest watching this:

 

[Lizzard]

like most of the DCS modules the Shark is a "study sim"..so..it takes time and a bit of work to operate it correctly..but u know..it is really worth it..

[BaD CrC]

Lol. Takes me back to 2009/2010 when I first flew BS1 coming from FSX. I could swear on my life the game was totaly bugged as I couldn't fly this damn thing for more than 10 seconds without crashing. Now I can have her do whatever I want.

So I cannot blame the guy. But asking for a refund for the reason your kinda newbie on the thing might be far fetched. I flew years and years on FSX, and DCS sim is simply an order of magnitude above it. Final.

[Jumbik]

It just needs patience... a lot of it. And easy hand on stick, no harsh moves or you are dead. :)

 

 

But still I have hard time believing this guy that he has flow more than 5 minutes.

 

Asking for opinions about the game if he should buy it one hour before asking for a refund and stating that he has flown all the training missions...