DCS F-16 FM-AFM Development - Design and Video

[WRAITH]

Hi gents,

 

Just to politely discuss as I ran into this video below whilst observing DCS FM Development online research.

 

* DCS F-16 Development 2012 Video............

 

[YOUTUBE]/VWKpZjZMvvw[/YOUTUBE]

 

I also was reading this page.............. http://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?t=122801

 

I have seen videos where some Flight Models need more development or fine tuning. ie. stability performance pitch, yaw, roll axis smoothness fixing bugs in code etc

 

Stall - Post Stall characteristics so forth....... I posted much info in this thread http://forums.eagle.ru/showpost.php?p=2137203&postcount=6595

 

Questions:-

 

How possible is it for DCS Developers to really have a realistic deliverable Flight Model for a F-16C Block 50/52 that holds true to its flight characteristics or FCLS computed modeling.

 

To correct this type of Air Craft behavior in DCS FM-AFM...................

 

 

 

 

Also how possible to start to work on avionics and weapon systems like TGP and HTS pods, Radar, Jammers, Data Cartridge, JHMCS, true F-16 Thrust to Weight ratio ...... so forth!

 

Just brief explanation and some insight to DCS FM + AFM design and if there will be further improvement and development in this area of programing.

 

I am excited to have found that video and hope for the best for a DCS F-16C Block 50/52 fighter along with the F-18E Super Hornet. :thumbup:

 

P.S "-Sorry to Mods if posted in wrong area but unsure as threads get moved so thought best to create new thread for maintaining a sense of "WISH LIST" for better "Air Craft Flight Model Accuracy and Discussion"!

 

Please, Please with cherries on top and chocalate topping. I mean c'mon so many threads wanting a USAF F-16C BLOCK 50/52 there is also this Thread.......... http://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?t=160730 :thumbup:

 

[YOUTUBE]/bKroFZBvsfs[/YOUTUBE]

 

 

Thats be honest the old Falcon 4.0 troll fest has reached its limits so we need something similar more modern and with new treats!

 

 

Link:- http://www.viaf.it/coolhand/F4AFManual.pdf

 

:book::joystick::pilotfly::smartass: ................ :thumbup:

 

We all know that the best sim ever created is this - http://www.flightsim.com/vbfs/content.php?53

 

Whats available now are mutations of old Dinosaur DNA mixed with cow and horse waste and sold / handed out as hamburgers at your local Fish n Chips shop! Brrrttt! Just hack sims that are not true air combat simulations, so sad but true! :cry::(:cry::doh:

Cheers

 

:drunk:

Edited March 3, 2017 by WRAITH

[SkateZilla]

The Video is from a 3rd Party Flight Model Research Project:

 

http://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?t=95985

[SDsc0rch]

good find!

 

this shows that "some"body at "some" point was working on the -16

 

sweet!

 

also, it shows ppl (devs) aren't "afraid" of modeling the -16 because of BMS or classified info, etc..

 

 

I hope this project is still breathing..........

[Cali]

One day, one day...

[Buckeye]

One day, one day...

 

A great day.

[Pman]

This is very old now and was part of the free demo that CptSmiley did

 

Its no longer in active development by him as it was only a demo of the technology and not intended as a full module for DCS

 

Pman

[Raven68]

This is very old now and was part of the free demo that CptSmiley did

 

Its no longer in active development by him as it was only a demo of the technology and not intended as a full module for DCS

 

Pman

 

[SkateZilla]

THEN EXPLAIN THIS!

 

http://forums.eagle.ru/showpost.php?p=1781050&postcount=5991

 

And This:? :music_whistling:

 

I know that the ED F-16's development continues. I don't know the details.

[WRAITH]

Supporter for a DCS F-16C Block 50/52 Viper

 

And This:?

 

Hi SkateZilla,

 

Thanks for the good news and once EDGE GFX Engine is done and the craze settles hopefully the DCS F-16C Block 50/52 Fighting Falcon aka the Viper will get all the attention it deserves as a DCS title and improves from there on.

 

The fact that the Lockheed Martin F-16 is part of a global partner program initiative makes this a special fighter. Surely it deserves to be ranked amongst so many other great fighters like the Boeing F/A-18E Super Hornet as per this link:- http://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?t=90154 again part of a global partner program and maybe lets not forget the F-14 Tomcat down the track. These fighters amongst some Russian and Euro-fighters will balance and fit nicely with future battle-space scenarios using new EDGE GFX and Terrains for DCS. Lots of fun ahead of the DCS community. :smilewink:

 

Cheers,

 

Edited August 11, 2014 by WRAITH

[Davis0079]

good find!

 

this shows that "some"body at "some" point was working on the -16

 

sweet!

 

also, it shows ppl (devs) aren't "afraid" of modeling the -16 because of BMS or classified info, etc..

 

 

I hope this project is still breathing..........

 

 

 

the aircraft made in DCS has more to do with getting legal permission from the companies that made them and own the copyrights/patents for them....because ED is selling them...even if only a simulation of them...they are selling the name and making money off the fame of old and new aircraft......so ED and 3rd parties are limited to asking big Aviation/Aerospace companies if they can included there intellectual property as DCS modules...

 

...so while the community can work together and build this F-16 and never sell it, but make it into a mod for all to play with...ED cannot without speaking to lockheed first...

 

...legal mumbo jumbo is going to determine the aircraft "for sell" in DCS....not community polls and vote...this F-16 project is a great start for the Falcon community, should they ever wish to make a F-16 mod...but it will most likely never be a DCS module (without giving lockheed lots of money and/or a big cut of the profits)....

 

 

p.s. I cry myself to sleep dreaming of a DCS:Viper (plz god, plz give me one)...but I'm crying, and its called a dream for a reason...

Edited August 9, 2014 by Davis0079

[Pman]

THEN EXPLAIN THIS!

 

http://forums.eagle.ru/showpost.php?p=1781050&postcount=5991

 

And This:? :music_whistling:

 

I was only referring to the demo from CptSmiley,

 

I have no information of anyone else making DCS F16 of any variant :)

 

Pman

[Kaktus29]

if lockheed is so hysterical that it considers F-16A from the 70's a top secret technology than this is a really sad world.. i mean F22 is like 3 generation above the F16A-the very first one that had even less BVR capability than the Mig-23.. and yet its supposed to be a secret..

 

i can only imagine F22 isn't really so developed if disclosing an old model like F16 is so security breach like and endangering.))lol..

[WRAITH]

DCS F-16C Block 50/52 with EDGE Coming!

 

Hi gents lets not derail this thread please.

 

Now lets bring some perspective here ED-DCS has these western fighters inventory...........

 

E.g.

 

1. A-10C on sale
   
2. F-18E in development
   
3. F-15C on sale
   

So many other 3rd Party Air Craft on the way it might be worth pointing out that its already stated that the EDGE Nevada Training Range is the test bed for other western fighters and technology as per this link....... http://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?t=122230

 

A F-16C Block 50/52 is certainly possible after EDGE is complete and most likely already in the works, surprises will come after update 2.0 I gather!

 

The F-16C is also mentioned in this thread as a "WORK-IN-PROGRESS" ..................... http://forums.eagle.ru/showpost.php?p=1931682&postcount=3

 

DCS as a Air Combat Sim at this point in time seems to have good development plans and with a nice training range on the way surely good treats are coming.

 

Can you imagine an Aggressor squadron with a D.A.C.T training environment or NATO WAR exercises, Nice!

 

Don't be negative fussing over it, just encourage the Developers and follow the Links in Forum by "Mods and Management Only" and in reply posts.

 

This is what I have been doing and it sounds exciting.:smilewink: :thumbup:

 

 

Please Note:- My initial question to ED-DCS Developers in first post was about inviting a quick short discussion on the study and development in the "Flight Model and Air Frame Accuracy"!

 

So some of those irregularities or bugs in code can be smoothed out for better Flight Model behavior and Flight Characteristics that would make for better FM-AFM Design and more realistic if you read my above posts.

 

 

Anyway my advice would be start saving some $$$$ COIN $$$ for PC upgrades and new flight gear now what ever you can put in a glass container when time comes hopefully you will have more than enough for some new hardware!

 

Take care all!

 

Cheers,

 

:beer:

Edited August 10, 2014 by WRAITH

[SDsc0rch]

here here - well said

 

and i'm right there with you - i think there are projects in the works that aren't public knowledge at this point

 

apparently i've already given you "rep" so i can't give more..

[WildBillKelsoe]

one day...

[Flagrum]

F-18E in development

F/A-18C.

 

A F-16C Block 50/52 is certainly possible after EDGE is complete and most likely already in the works, surprises will come after update 2.0 I gather!

Uhm, where do you get your confidence from?

 

The F-16C is also mentioned in this thread as a "WORK-IN-PROGRESS" ..................... http://forums.eagle.ru/showpost.php?p=1931682&postcount=3

It is mentioned in the list because ED did start to work on a F-16 ... many years ago. A (very) few 3d modelling WIP screenshots were posted. They never confirmed that they scrapped the project. But it was never heared of again either - that is all we know so far, iirc.

[WRAITH]

DCS F-16 FM-AFM Development - Design and Video

 

here here - well said

 

and i'm right there with you - i think there are projects in the works that aren't public knowledge at this point

 

apparently i've already given you "rep" so i can't give more..

 

Hi SDscorch,

 

Yeah, well again going by some Threads in DCS Forum by Wags and Mods it sounds more like a complete overhaul or new DCS is on the way in version 2.0.0, with lots of treats and inclusions! :smilewink::thumbup:

 

I just put 1 and 2 together and hope for the best.Yeah! Well, I have read enough debate, argument and negative chat in Air Combat Forums to make you sick, not forgetting "Wasted Time"! :cry:

 

Honestly I'm just sick of all that, just want to encourage better sims and developers to plug-in.

 

I would love to simply encourage better Air Combat Sims and I think DCS being a Business can offer more in short term and long term perspective.

 

 

*** Well again my reason for this Thread as per first post here......... http://forums.eagle.ru/showpost.php?p=2138767&postcount=1 was to ask DCS Developers and discuss in particular the F-16C Block 50/52 but not limited to this Air Craft alone, in regards for better FM and AFM Design / Development regarding this Thread........ http://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?t=122801

 

I also again point out I linked this thread................... http://forums.eagle.ru/showpost.php?p=2137203&postcount=6595

 

I would like to see some discussion if possible From DCS Devs to improve the sim in this area.

 

Also to encourage development to simulate more realistic environments and behavior of what Air Combat is really like on a daily basis.

 

I think the Nevada Training Map will bring much of what I'm looking for in this Sim. :smilewink: :thumbup:

 

Well take care all.

 

Cheers,

 

:beer:

Edited August 11, 2014 by WRAITH

[Wolf Rider]

~ as it was only a demo of the technology and not intended as a full module for DCS

 

Pman

 

 

similar to what the P-51 was ;) until it was realised as a full fledged model :)

[Fjordmonkey]

if lockheed is so hysterical that it considers F-16A from the 70's a top secret technology than this is a really sad world.. i mean F22 is like 3 generation above the F16A-the very first one that had even less BVR capability than the Mig-23.. and yet its supposed to be a secret..

 

i can only imagine F22 isn't really so developed if disclosing an old model like F16 is so security breach like and endangering.))lol..

 

Well, trust me, there's plenty in even the F16A-MLU's we fly here in Norway that are classified, even though those birds are 30+ years old now. During my time as a groundcrew in the RNoAF, we learned things about certain systems on the Viper that we're not allowed to talk about, even though they may or may not be common knowledge.

 

That being said, if there ever WAS a full-blown F16 for DCS:World with full fidelity, I'd hit the buy-button so hard and so fast that my keyboard AND creditcard will scream in agony!