upyr1 Posted March 11, 2006 Posted March 11, 2006 hi, Any one have any good resources over what would be relistic for a Russian or NATO SEAD packages?
SUBS17 Posted March 11, 2006 Posted March 11, 2006 US F-16 C block 52s 4 ship or 2 ship loadout AGM 88 x2 CBU 87 x4 Aim120 x2 Aim9 x2 ECM pod [sIGPIC] [/sIGPIC]
Guest EVIL-SCOTSMAN Posted March 11, 2006 Posted March 11, 2006 Russia = whatever they can find in the depleted warehouse :p
Woodstock Posted March 11, 2006 Posted March 11, 2006 Germany: 2- or 4-ship formation Tornado ECR 2x HARM AGM-88 2x AIM-9 2x Fuel Tanks 1x ECM Pod 1x Countermeasures Pod "For aviators like us, the sky is not the limit - it's our home!"
dynamocl Posted March 11, 2006 Posted March 11, 2006 Brits would also fly a Tornado, however we have the fantastic ALARM missile. Theoretically able to carry 7 I think, but unlikely to see this.
Cobra360 Posted March 11, 2006 Posted March 11, 2006 Theoretically, it can carry 9. Three under each wing and three on the fuselage. For a dedicated SEAD mission 7 could be carried along with two tanks, an ECM and flare/chaff pod.
Brit_Radar_Dude Posted March 12, 2006 Posted March 12, 2006 ALARM is a terrific design - executes its attack from a great height to use the vertical sidelobes for better accuracy, fusing designed to explode next to an antenna on a mast if that is the type of radar detected, deploying a parachute and "hanging around" to wait for a shut-down radar to light up again. Any one of these innovations would be clever, but all three? - British genius!:cool: (OK, I'm a Brit and slightly biased;) ) Nice info and diagrams on this site. http://www.ausairpower.net/alarm-armat.html [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Sorry Death, you lose! It was Professor Plum....
dynamocl Posted March 12, 2006 Posted March 12, 2006 Just a shame it has never been modelled anywhere. Yes, I have always been a fan of the alarm's linger mode (where it shoots straight up, deploys a parachute and then waits for someone brave enough to turn on their radar).
Guest EVIL-SCOTSMAN Posted March 12, 2006 Posted March 12, 2006 heh check this out, whether its true or not remains to be seen http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ALARM 1 target in kosovo, 100 american and german harms cudnt hit that target, along comes teh brits and use 1 alarm, job done. nuff said :p PWND
Guest IguanaKing Posted March 12, 2006 Posted March 12, 2006 Yup...that parachute loiter capability is definitely a game saver. Its design anticipated an intelligent enemy. Hats off to the Brits. :D BRD...don't say sidelobe dude! Grrrr!!! ;) I have a transponder I have been beating my brains out over because it only seems to reply to a full-amplitude P2 pulse, instead of being inhibited by it. Oh well...its an ancient Bendix/King KT76...it'll probably start working right once I tweak its 8 pots a few zillion times.
anivanov Posted March 12, 2006 Posted March 12, 2006 1 target in kosovo, 100 american and german harms cudnt hit that target to much beer lol
Brit_Radar_Dude Posted March 12, 2006 Posted March 12, 2006 BRD...don't say sidelobe dude! Grrrr!!! ;) Sorry to hear about it, Iggy ol' mate. I'm sure you will get it fixed:biggrin: . Badly calibrated transponders generating FRUIT can be a pain in the *ss :icon_evil for Interrogators..... [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Sorry Death, you lose! It was Professor Plum....
Pilotasso Posted March 12, 2006 Posted March 12, 2006 Remenber the SIm "tornado"? I used to fire a few in waypooint mode and then I would attack the runway. When enemy defenses triggered on my aproach they would be smaked down from above like hail of death. That was my favourite offensive missions. .
DayGlow Posted March 12, 2006 Posted March 12, 2006 Remenber the SIm "tornado"? I used to fire a few in waypooint mode and then I would attack the runway. When enemy defenses triggered on my aproach they would be smaked down from above like hail of death. That was my favourite offensive missions. That's probably the best thing ever with that sim, the cooridinated attack. Nothing was better than flying your approach and off to your right seeing your SEAD escort firing off 6 Alarms that quickly climb out of sight. 30 seconds later as you rush towards the airfield your RWR lights up.....then goes dead. Next you ready your bomb release you can see 3 other Tornados streaking in from different directions and different altitudes laying down retarded bombs. All the graphic wizardry in the world can't reproduce that sight. Now if only the FM and Air to Air was decent it would have been more than an autopilot simulator. I went whole campaigns without touching the stick in that game. "It takes a big man to admit he is wrong...I'm not a big man" Chevy Chase, Fletch Lives 5800X3D - 64gb ram - RTX3080 - Windows 11
upyr1 Posted March 13, 2006 Author Posted March 13, 2006 Russia = whatever they can find in the depleted warehouse :p from my understanding during the cold war the Russians used radar seaking cruise missles notably carried by the Tu-22M as arms then a wild weasle version ofthe Mig-25 a jammer version of the SU-24 as an escort jammer and a mix of Mig-27's Su-25's and Su-25T's.
upyr1 Posted March 13, 2006 Author Posted March 13, 2006 US F-16 C block 52s 4 ship or 2 ship loadout AGM 88 x2 CBU 87 x4 Aim120 x2 Aim9 x2 ECM pod How about the Navy?
Ardillita Posted March 13, 2006 Posted March 13, 2006 gfgsdfgsdfgsdf BRIT_RADAR_DUDE wrote "Any one of these innovations would be clever, but all three? - British genius!:cool: (OK, I'm a Brit and slightly biased;) ) well, in your last war the war ship "invincible was sunk by old A4s, in THEORY your designs seems to be very good, in the practice it have shown much less efectiveness. Harriers also didn´t make it very well against argentinians A4s and the old mirages. ;)
504 Wolverine Posted March 13, 2006 Posted March 13, 2006 BRIT_RADAR_DUDE wrote "Any one of these innovations would be clever, but all three? - British genius! (OK, I'm a Brit and slightly biased ) well, in your last war the war ship "invincible was sunk by old A4s, in THEORY your designs seems to be very good, in the practice it have shown much less efectiveness. Harriers also didn´t make it very well against argentinians A4s and the old mirages. How do you work that out? There were a total of 10 Sea harriers/Harriers lost. These were; 23rd April - Sea Harrier - Shot down by radar controlled 35mm AAA 6th May - 2 Sea harriers - Collided with each other in bad weather 21st May - Harrier GR.3 - Shot Down by Blowpipe SAM 23rd May - Sea Harrier - Exploded on take-off and crashed into sea 27th May - Harrier GR.3 - Shot down by radar controlled 35mm AAA 29th May - Sea Harrier - Slid of deck as ship turned into wind 30th May - Harrier GR.3 - Shot down by small arms fire 1 June - Sea Harrier - Shot down by Roland SAM 8 June - Harrier GR.3 - Heavy landing due to engine failure NO Sea Harriers/Harrier GR.3 were shot down by any Argentinian aircraft. Where as; 1 May - Mirage IIIAE - FAA Grupo 8 - Shot Down by Flt Lt Barton RAF in No.801 Sea Harrier using Sidewinder 1 May - Mirage IIIAE - FAA Grupo 8 - Damaged by Lt Thomas in No.801 Sea Harrier using Sidewinder then shot down by own air defences (Ouch :icon_lol: ) 1 May - Dagger A - FAA Grupo 6 - Shot Down by Flt Lt Penfold RAF in No.800 Sea Harrier using Sidewinder 1 May - Canberra B.62 - FAA Grupo 2 - Shot down by Lt Curtiss RN in No.801 Sea Harrier using Sidewinder 21st May - Pucara - FAA Grupo 3 - Shot Down by Cmdr Ward RN in Sea Harrier of No.801 NAS using 30mm cannon 21st May - 2 A-4C - FAA Grupo 4 - Shot down by Lt Cmdr Blissett and Lt Cmdr Thomas RN in No.800 Sea Harriers using Sidewinders 21st May - Dagger A - FAA Grupo 6 - Shot down by Lt Cmdr Frederiksen RN in No.800 Sea Harrier using Sidewinder 21st May - 2 Dagger A - FAA Grupo 6 - Shot down by Lt Thomas and a third by Cmdr Ward RN in No.801 Sea Harriers using Sidewinders 21st May - A-4Q - CANA 3 - Shot down by Lt Morell RN in No.800 Sea Harrier using Sidewinder 21st May - A-4Q - CANA 3 - Shot down by Flt Lt Leeming RAF in No.800 Sea Harrier using 30mm cannon 23rd May - Dagger A - Grupo 6 - Shot down by Lt Hale RN in No.800 Sea Harrier using Sidewinder 24th May - 2 Dagger A - Grupo 6 - Shot down by Lt Cmdr Auld in No.800 Sea Harrier using Sidewinder 24th May - Dagger A - Gupo 6 - Shot down by Lt D Smith in No.800 Sea Harriers using Sidewinder 1st June - C-130E Hercules - FAA grupo 1 - Shot down by Cmdr Ward RN in No.801 Sea Harrier using Sidewinder and 30mm cannon 8 June - 2 A-4B - FAA Grupo 5 - Shot down by Flt Lt Morgan RAF in No.800 Sea Harrier using Sidewinders 8 June - A-4B - FAA Grupo 5 - shot down by Lt D Smith in No.800 NAS Sea Harrier using Sidewinder NOW I dont know about you but I count 20 aircraft shot down by Sea Harriers. The exact opposite of what you said. So the moral = Make sure you are right before trying to start a flame war. :horseback:) EDIT - Just noticed the Invincible bit - ROLFMAO - Christ, best joke Ive ever heard in a long while - BTW Someone should tell the Royal Navy that it was sunk, because it was still in service until last August. lolol http://www.royal-marines.mod.uk/static/pages/1469.html http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Invincible_class_aircraft_carrier#HMS_Invincible_.28R05.29 [/url]
upyr1 Posted March 13, 2006 Author Posted March 13, 2006 Looks like you had problems with the Flack which brings back to the thread I'll typicaly use a flight of F-16's using a mix of HARM's and Mav's
Guest EVIL-SCOTSMAN Posted March 13, 2006 Posted March 13, 2006 BRIT_RADAR_DUDE wrote "Any one of these innovations would be clever, but all three? - British genius!:cool: (OK, I'm a Brit and slightly biased;) ) well, in your last war the war ship "invincible was sunk by old A4s, in THEORY your designs seems to be very good, in the practice it have shown much less efectiveness. Harriers also didn´t make it very well against argentinians A4s and the old mirages. ;) whats with the negative waves dude :confused: we be leet, we dont need no steenking missiles to kill planes with, we just use our sa80's :D when they work that is :p
Brit_Radar_Dude Posted March 13, 2006 Posted March 13, 2006 Ardillita - I' m guessing you are from Argentina? Hey it was nearly 25 years ago, it's history, you lost, let it go. Now you finally have democracy and are free to voice your opinion without the risk of "dissapearing" on a one way helicopter trip (following 30,000 of your countrymen) you should take advantage of your free press and read more newspapers, then you would know that whilst it was your last war, we've actually taken part in two others since..... Now we have got that out of the way, I'm a big River Plate fan, can you help me get hold of a shirt? [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Sorry Death, you lose! It was Professor Plum....
Guest IguanaKing Posted March 13, 2006 Posted March 13, 2006 Yes...the Falklands proved so much against the Brits. NOT!!! As BRD said, that was almost 25 years ago, and the Brits won that war. Get over it.
Cobra360 Posted March 13, 2006 Posted March 13, 2006 How about the Navy? Strike package of Hornets armed with AGM-88s and LGBs. With support provided by EA-6Bs with HARMs and ALQ-99 jamming pods. In a few years they will have the EA-18G doing the Prowlers role with the same pods and missles. There is also word of a new ARM called the Armiger that is based on the AGM-88 body but with better, range, guidance and fusing.
355th_Flip Posted March 13, 2006 Posted March 13, 2006 the ALARM was modelled in DIDs EF2000, i used to play that and had alot of success with that missile. As though i think the Tornado ECR of the German Airforce is the best SEAD Aircraft, and the HARM really is good weaponry! Flip
alert_ Posted March 14, 2006 Posted March 14, 2006 NATO SEAD/DEAD in 2006? A few B2 Spirit, each with 16xAGM158 JASSM will do the trick for the start....
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