StrongHarm Posted November 16, 2014 Posted November 16, 2014 (edited) When the ABRIS boots it shows the chip as a 486DX4. This is an intel designator. Is this accurate? Was intel able to sell hardware to the Russian Military? EDIT: Clarification; as text is a poor medium to convey human emotion, let me say that this is stated with no political motivation or disapproval.. it's simple scientific curiosity from someone who previously worked with U.S. Military technology in the 90s that may have had a similar chip. Edited November 16, 2014 by StrongHarm It's a good thing that this is Early Access and we've all volunteered to help test and enhance this work in progress... despite the frustrations inherent in the task with even the simplest of software... otherwise people might not understand that this incredibly complex unfinished module is unfinished. /light-hearted sarcasm
flanker0ne Posted November 16, 2014 Posted November 16, 2014 (edited) The Standard Oil if I remember correctly sell to the Nazi Germany (IG Farben) the Syntetic Fuel formula. The Ford Motor Company was economically damaged (and refunded) by the American bombing campain over Europe. The Rothshild Banks System lent money to both Napoleone's Army and to the Prussian English alliance with the intent to make the conflict bigger and profitable. The money does not have any ideology Edited November 16, 2014 by flanker0ne SCOPRI DI PIU': https://www.amvi.it/joinus.php DISCORD COMBINEDOPS The Battle Planning Tool
StrongHarm Posted November 16, 2014 Author Posted November 16, 2014 No doubt, there is historical precedence for tech creep across borders, but there are U.S. trade restrictions in place these days aimed at preventing it.. my question is: Does the Blackshark actually have a 486DX4, and is it actually an Intel chip? Just curious. That's an awful lot of work for a 100mhz processor to tackle. It's a good thing that this is Early Access and we've all volunteered to help test and enhance this work in progress... despite the frustrations inherent in the task with even the simplest of software... otherwise people might not understand that this incredibly complex unfinished module is unfinished. /light-hearted sarcasm
Isegrim Posted November 16, 2014 Posted November 16, 2014 When was that chip for sale 1992? 1993? When i think is curios that the KA-50 we fly in DCS should be much older. But maybe its been updated with the Abris after the Cold war was over. "Blyat Naaaaa" - Izlom
Trubshaw Posted November 16, 2014 Posted November 16, 2014 I used to build PCs with that chip many years ago. The guys at DCS wouldn't just make that start up sequence up ...would they? One reason why they simulate older planes is because they have greater access to them and the performance data. So my guess is that somewhere down the line they sat in a KA 50 cockpit and watched it start up.. noting every little detail they could in order to write the Blackshark code. My conclusion is that there is an intel chip in the Blackshark but I is only a reasoned guess. So good question StrongHarm. How did it get there? ...who at DCS worked on the Blackshark code? [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] TrubshawRN -=SHREK 94=-
Isegrim Posted November 16, 2014 Posted November 16, 2014 I think somebody went into a store in Europe or whereever and buyed some. In late 1989 some things did change. "Blyat Naaaaa" - Izlom
King_Hrothgar Posted November 16, 2014 Posted November 16, 2014 (edited) Did Intel make their stuff in China at the time? Honest question, I don't remember a time when electronics were made anywhere but China and Taiwan. If made in China, I doubt they would have had any legal issues buying them from the Chinese. Even if they were made in the west, it probably wouldn't have been too difficult to acquire. Consumer electronics are mass produced, easy to acquire and if absolutely necessary, should be fairly trivial to smuggle in large quantities. A quick look at wikipedia lists that particular chip as being sold in 1994. At that point, I don't think they would have had any issue simply buying them. I don't think there were any restrictions on electronics at that point. Edited November 16, 2014 by King_Hrothgar
sgtmike74 Posted November 16, 2014 Posted November 16, 2014 Just a little something to add to this, there is also a Garmin GPS antenna on the Shark. I believe Garmin is an American company as well.
BitMaster Posted November 16, 2014 Posted November 16, 2014 As far as I can recall those chips say "Made in Malaysia". Taking the number of total Ka-50's ever built into consideration, they could have gotten those few CPU's from anywhere, I have no doubt that that Black Ops was one of the easier jobs for former KGB agents. Despite the cold war, didn't the USSR sell their biggest rocket motor to the US all those years cause they did not have one that size that was still being built. It was not all black and white during the cold war, those days had many shades of grey in between. Gigabyte Aorus X570S Master - Ryzen 5900X - Gskill 64GB 3200/CL14@3600/CL14 - Sapphire Nitro+ 7800XT - 4x Samsung 980Pro 1TB - 1x Samsung 870 Evo 1TB - 1x SanDisc 120GB SSD - Heatkiller IV - MoRa3-360LT@9x120mm Noctua F12 - Corsair AXi-1200 - TiR5-Pro - Warthog Hotas - Saitek Combat Pedals - Asus XG27ACG QHD 180Hz - Corsair K70 RGB Pro - Win11 Pro/Linux - Phanteks Evolv-X
flanker0ne Posted November 16, 2014 Posted November 16, 2014 Taking the number of total Ka-50's ever built into consideration.... The ABRIS it is not an electronic component dedicated to the Ka-50, it's a more commercial piece, available for all (Russian and not) aeronautics industry. SCOPRI DI PIU': https://www.amvi.it/joinus.php DISCORD COMBINEDOPS The Battle Planning Tool
StrongHarm Posted November 16, 2014 Author Posted November 16, 2014 Yeah you're right Bit.. truth is stranger than fiction. I was in CICs during the cold war and was surprised at some of what I heard.. from many angles. Interesting times. Are you asserting that Intel is a Malaysian company.. or that Intel's security was so lax that the KGB was able to steal thousands of chips? Of course they weren't manufactured in America, what is? :) I'm still hoping that someone who knows facts will reply with something conclusive about whether the 486DX4 Intel chip is/was actually in the Blackshark. Curiosity gnaws at me. It's a good thing that this is Early Access and we've all volunteered to help test and enhance this work in progress... despite the frustrations inherent in the task with even the simplest of software... otherwise people might not understand that this incredibly complex unfinished module is unfinished. /light-hearted sarcasm
Bushmanni Posted November 17, 2014 Posted November 17, 2014 It would seem odd to me if CPU's for personal computers sold all over the world were somehow export controlled. DCS Finland: Suomalainen DCS yhteisö -- Finnish DCS community -------------------------------------------------- SF Squadron
ZaltysZ Posted November 17, 2014 Posted November 17, 2014 (edited) It would seem odd to me if CPU's for personal computers sold all over the world were somehow export controlled. US limits export of HPC (high performance computers) depending on how much operations they can do per second (MTOPS). Intel 486DX4@100Mhz should be at 70-80 MTOPS. MTOPS limit went from 195 to 2000 in 1993, and 486DX4 is a 1994 product, so it never has been a HPC. P.S: by the way, around 2000s, when clock speeds rose drastically and multi core / multi cpu desktop systems began to appear, some of them got classified as HPC and export limited, however these limits were increased shortly after once again. Edited November 17, 2014 by ZaltysZ Wir sehen uns in Walhalla.
StrongHarm Posted November 17, 2014 Author Posted November 17, 2014 Call Dell and tell them you want to buy a PC that you're sending to a country under trade sanction or export control. Sure, they go through Dubai and France from time to time.. and it would be impossible to completely contain tech creep, but we do a decent job of controlling sales of even small orders to those countries. The sale of a large shipment of CPUs to a controlled country is unlikely. Russia has engineers that are every bit as capable as US engineers (more so in some areas) so they don't need US components. Again, I don't want this to be political. I'm merely curious as to whether there was artistic license taken with the ABRIS boot sequence, or if the 486DX4 was actually used. It's technical curiosity not political indignation. It's a good thing that this is Early Access and we've all volunteered to help test and enhance this work in progress... despite the frustrations inherent in the task with even the simplest of software... otherwise people might not understand that this incredibly complex unfinished module is unfinished. /light-hearted sarcasm
StrongHarm Posted November 17, 2014 Author Posted November 17, 2014 Now we're getting somewhere.. good info ZaltysZ. Thanks. US limits export of HPC (high performance computers) depending on how much operations they can do per second (MTOPS). Intel 486DX4@100Mhz should be at 70-80 MTOPS. MTOPS limit went from 195 to 2000 in 1993, and 486DX4 is a 1994 product, so it never has been a HPC. It's a good thing that this is Early Access and we've all volunteered to help test and enhance this work in progress... despite the frustrations inherent in the task with even the simplest of software... otherwise people might not understand that this incredibly complex unfinished module is unfinished. /light-hearted sarcasm
BitMaster Posted November 17, 2014 Posted November 17, 2014 Are you asserting that Intel is a Malaysian company.. or that Intel's security was so lax that the KGB was able to steal thousands of chips? Of course they weren't manufactured in America, what is? :) They had or may still have a plant there, that is all I am saying. I still don't think that it was a problem to buy a few thousand CPU's somewhere and ship them "home". They were sold like Blue Jeans in every bigger mall etc... The bigger problem would be to get the technical info it that wasn't on the web or publicly available. Bit Gigabyte Aorus X570S Master - Ryzen 5900X - Gskill 64GB 3200/CL14@3600/CL14 - Sapphire Nitro+ 7800XT - 4x Samsung 980Pro 1TB - 1x Samsung 870 Evo 1TB - 1x SanDisc 120GB SSD - Heatkiller IV - MoRa3-360LT@9x120mm Noctua F12 - Corsair AXi-1200 - TiR5-Pro - Warthog Hotas - Saitek Combat Pedals - Asus XG27ACG QHD 180Hz - Corsair K70 RGB Pro - Win11 Pro/Linux - Phanteks Evolv-X
Ralphk Posted November 17, 2014 Posted November 17, 2014 Well now that i think of it... i hope its a true boot and not a "made up" one by the designers...
Flagrum Posted November 17, 2014 Posted November 17, 2014 Well now that i think of it... i hope its a true boot and not a "made up" one by the designers... It is so real as the BSoD that you can see sometimes. :D
Professorbubba Posted November 17, 2014 Posted November 17, 2014 you might see "keyboard not found, press F1 to continue" message if you are lucky.
StrongHarm Posted November 17, 2014 Author Posted November 17, 2014 1 It's a good thing that this is Early Access and we've all volunteered to help test and enhance this work in progress... despite the frustrations inherent in the task with even the simplest of software... otherwise people might not understand that this incredibly complex unfinished module is unfinished. /light-hearted sarcasm
cichlidfan Posted November 17, 2014 Posted November 17, 2014 ^^^^ :megalol::megalol: ASUS ROG Maximus VIII Hero, i7-6700K, Noctua NH-D14 Cooler, Crucial 32GB DDR4 2133, Samsung 950 Pro NVMe 256GB, Samsung EVO 250GB & 500GB SSD, 2TB Caviar Black, Zotac GTX 1080 AMP! Extreme 8GB, Corsair HX1000i, Phillips BDM4065UC 40" 4k monitor, VX2258 TouchScreen, TIR 5 w/ProClip, TM Warthog, VKB Gladiator Pro, Saitek X56, et. al., MFG Crosswind Pedals #1199, VolairSim Pit, Rift CV1 :thumbup:
Yurgon Posted November 17, 2014 Posted November 17, 2014 Now that is quite fascinating. I expected at least half a dozen veterans to jump in and call out all kinds of RTFM and STFW, but apparently this knowledge is not that widely spread. So, let me just get in line as I'd really like to know as well whether the Ka-50's ABRIS used an Intel 486DX4 in reality. :thumbup: BTW, the manual doesn't contain the strings "486" and "dx4" (or my PDF reader's search function totally sucks, but it's not that bad AFAICT)
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