[CLOSED] wings break off at 4g

[Anatoli-Kagari9]

I believe what you state here would be faking effects in to compensate for what their (the other sims) FM isnt doing. ED, I dont think would do that, if you feel you are suffering from lack of feel, maybe a FF controller is something to look at. But ED isnt going to add stuff to their FM to fake in feeling.

 

 

Yes, I did think about getting a FF controller, but what model?

 

Any suggestions really welcomed :). I am sure I would certainly benefit of this also in Rise of Flight ....

[NineLine]

Yes, I did think about getting a FF controller, but what model?

 

Any suggestions really welcomed :). I am sure I would certainly benefit of this also in Rise of Flight ....

 

No clue, I dont use a FFB stick.

[Abburo]

Yes, I did think about getting a FF controller, but what model?

 

Any suggestions really welcomed :). I am sure I would certainly benefit of this also in Rise of Flight ....

 

2 options:

 

- simpler, more precise, and extremely reliable MSFFB2

- complex HOTAS - Logitech G940. Not so accurate until you will tune a little bit. Some electrical/electronic skills and a bit of will are needed.

 

Both are obsolete devices. MSFFB finished to be produced somewhere in 2004 and G940 somewhere in 2011. You can find them however as second hand products.

[Flagrum]

Yes, I did think about getting a FF controller, but what model?

 

Any suggestions really welcomed :). I am sure I would certainly benefit of this also in Rise of Flight ....

You can choose of a broad variety of FFB controllers:

 

1. Microsoft FFB2

2. Logitech G940

 

...

 

Those are the only available ones, afaik (consumer market at least) that can be remotely seen as "usable".

 

Common believe is, iirc, the MSFFB2 is more precise, the applied forces are more "smooth". The G940 feels a bit, uhm, "grainy"? when stronger forces are present.

 

My preference, still: G940 - alone because it's a full HOTAS with throttle and has in general more buttons and functions.

[Random]

I have a modded G940 as an 'upgrade' for my old ffb2. I regret it.

[MA_Goblin]

I read somewhere, can't find it now, that the G bug with breaking wing was

addressed in the small patch the other day. Is that correct? My wing still

brakes off with a snap on pull up even a moderate one.

[Viersbovsky]

I read somewhere, can't find it now, that the G bug with breaking wing was

addressed in the small patch the other day. Is that correct? My wing still

brakes off with a snap on pull up even a moderate one.

 

Same here, still breaks off quite easily... I don´t think it is fixed yet.

[Anatoli-Kagari9]

Well,

 

I decided to "solve it" my way, since although the latest update apparently made breaking wingtips not so critical, i still end up, even on the SP scenarios against p51d, losing one or both tips :-/

 

So.... and although there's a constelation of opinions against it, I am using a non-linear profile for pitch. It really makes quite a difference, and for the first time I was able to score some kills :)

[FoReIgNeR]

Does the wing breaking off behavior have anything to do with the LE slats extending? I have the feeling that because of the instant slat extension at high speeds (when you make a turn) the G load instantaneously exceeds the limit.

[Anatoli-Kagari9]

Does the wing breaking off behavior have anything to do with the LE slats extending? I have the feeling that because of the instant slat extension at high speeds (when you make a turn) the G load instantaneously exceeds the limit.

 

I'd say it really has, but I am not sure about it yet ...

[gavagai]

I ripped the wingtip off 3 times yesterday in multiplayer. Maybe it's the missing blackout effect, but I was surprised every time it happened.

[Smokin Hole]

Does the wing breaking off behavior have anything to do with the LE slats extending? I have the feeling that because of the instant slat extension at high speeds (when you make a turn) the G load instantaneously exceeds the limit.

 

When I review my tracks (or TacView) I don't see any increase in g due to sudden slat deployment. I see just a 6.5g, 6.6g, 6.7g then SNAP! And in one case the slat was already deployed as I watched the wing go.

[Random]

Lost a left wing today. Was pulling straight back and the second I put even a touch of left stick in the left wing tore off! odd as rolling left would unload the left wing surely?

[NineLine]

Lost a left wing today. Was pulling straight back and the second I put even a touch of left stick in the left wing tore off! odd as rolling left would unload the left wing surely?

 

Rolling G's are less forgiving, but without a track or anything its hard to say what happened, not sure how the damage model works either, its possible you already damaged the left wing and the rolling finished it off...

[Random]

Definately no damage was offline no AI to shoot at me.

 

I would expect the more loaded wing to break though not the less loaded one in a roll.

[NineLine]

Definately no damage was offline no AI to shoot at me.

 

I would expect the more loaded wing to break though not the less loaded one in a roll.

 

What I mean is if there is any damage done to the aircraft before you see it, I am not sure how that works with Gs, but maybe its possible that you over stressed the wings before the break, and then the roll stressed it more, finishing of the wing.

[Derbysieger]

What is always good to remember that the energy you lose by turning that hard is difficult to build up again. There are situations where I pull quite hard (6-7G) but they are far and few between. In all the dogfights I have flown since the hotfix came out I was not able to break my wing!

Only when I deliberately pull a lot of Gs and then roll the aircraft my wings will break.

I think you will get much better results if you fly aggressive but deliberate instead of pulling this hard and throwing the aircraft around. It's not a modern fighter.

 

You don't need to pull that hard to out-turn the P-51D anyway.

 

Example:

[Anatoli-Kagari9]

Wings no longer break easily?

 

Well,

 

after last night's update I was able to complete a full flight 4 vs 4 without a single wing break, and including some high G maneuvers where I was waiting, at any moment, for that infamous wing break... Nothing but very good flying experience happened :)

 

I'm also tempted to say that even had a bit more of control stiffness sensation when maneuvering at higher speeds and G values...

Edited December 17, 2014 by jcomm

[9.JG27 DavidRed]

what update?

[FoReIgNeR]

what update?

Yesterday I was able to download a hotfix through the updater. I guess that jcomm is referring to that.

[Suchacz]

Maybe that updater update? :D

[9.JG27 DavidRed]

^^yeah its an updater update...dont think it was anything else?

[Lizzard]

Maybe that updater update? :D

 

yes..just the updater updated yesterday?!?!?!?..so maybe you just improved your flying skills:lol:

[gavagai]

Yoyo on the wings breaking: http://forums.eagle.ru/showpost.php?p=2263694&postcount=18

 

So, you can pull hard and warp your wings and they won't break. Continue to pull Gs like that and they will snap!

[Anatoli-Kagari9]

See what I meant with my other thread...

 

It's all practice :-)