nullsys Posted January 5, 2015 Posted January 5, 2015 Hi all, Just bought the P-51D and I love the change from flying more modern jets. However I can't seem to get it level and stable for longer than a few seconds. It constantly wants to roll right or left, and of course has a heavy nose. I don't have this problem in: A-10, F15, SU27. Checked joystick, checked CTRL+ENTER, checked trim. Tried trimming, but it's like I'm constantly either trimming or wiggling the stick a little. Is it just a natural occurrence to never want to level out in steady flight for more than a few seconds without joystick input?
Zompa Posted January 5, 2015 Posted January 5, 2015 With different variables of manifold pressure, rpm and ever changing speed I always have to keep an eye on my trims. Most most notably my rudder to keep the Bank and Turn Indicator slip centered. Once I have the slip centered I usually find I'll need slight adjustments to the other two trims.
Art-J Posted January 5, 2015 Posted January 5, 2015 Yep, Mustang is quite a bit "trim-happy". Always needs more or less adjustment, although it's easier to keep it flying straight with cruise power/RPM settings. I even managed to make it "hands free" for a few minutes once... but it was only once within my 8 months of flying this bird :D. So there is a sweet spot somewhere, but it's difficult to find it. Enjoy the challenge and be happy that You didn't buy one of the German birds, which have no in-flight adjustable rudder and aileron trims at all :). i7 9700K @ stock speed, single GTX1070, 32 gigs of RAM, TH Warthog, MFG Crosswind, Win10.
Chief1942 Posted January 5, 2015 Posted January 5, 2015 It has been my experience with the Mustang and almost all the other aircraft that constant attention to trim is necessary. Since we appreciate that these are in fact "study sims" and that the flight models reflect the real a/c as close as it can be accomplished on a PC, then I doubt that one can expect to trim any of DCSW planes to hands off flying for any length of time. Simply too many changing variables such as wind, wind direction, temperature, air density at different altitudes, etc. and of course the fact that one is constantly burning fuel which changes the weight and center of gravity of the airframe. Like you, I've tried but also like you I find myself continually adjusting trim or slight movements of the stick.:joystick: I think it comes with "flying":pilotfly: Intel i5-4690K Devil's Canyon, GForce TitanX, ASUS Z-97A MB, 16GB GDDR3 GSkill mem, Samsung SSD X3,Track IR, TM Warthog, MFG Crosswind pedals, Acer XB280HK monitor,GAMETRIX KW-908 JETSEAT
BitMaster Posted January 5, 2015 Posted January 5, 2015 It has been my experience with the Mustang and almost all the other aircraft that constant attention to trim is necessary. Since we appreciate that these are in fact "study sims" and that the flight models reflect the real a/c as close as it can be accomplished on a PC, then I doubt that one can expect to trim any of DCSW planes to hands off flying for any length of time. Simply too many changing variables such as wind, wind direction, temperature, air density at different altitudes, etc. and of course the fact that one is constantly burning fuel which changes the weight and center of gravity of the airframe. Like you, I've tried but also like you I find myself continually adjusting trim or slight movements of the stick.:joystick: I think it comes with "flying":pilotfly: 100%, you just simply cant cheat physics ! Sims sometimes do but DCS doesnt ! Gigabyte Aorus X570S Master - Ryzen 5900X - Gskill 64GB 3200/CL14@3600/CL14 - Sapphire Nitro+ 7800XT - 4x Samsung 980Pro 1TB - 1x Samsung 870 Evo 1TB - 1x SanDisc 120GB SSD - Heatkiller IV - MoRa3-360LT@9x120mm Noctua F12 - Corsair AXi-1200 - TiR5-Pro - Warthog Hotas - Saitek Combat Pedals - Asus XG27ACG QHD 180Hz - Corsair K70 RGB Pro - Win11 Pro/Linux - Phanteks Evolv-X
Buzzles Posted January 5, 2015 Posted January 5, 2015 Remember, trimming is only there to relieve stick forces. It's not there to allow hands off flying. Hands off flying is what autopilots are for, and guess what doesn't exist for a P51D? :) Fancy trying Star Citizen? Click here!
Crumpp Posted January 5, 2015 Posted January 5, 2015 (edited) I don't have this problem in: A-10, F15, SU27. AHHH welcome to World War II fighters..... Modern fighters are easy to fly and hard to manage the weapons systems. Propeller fighters were hard to fly and easy to manage the weapons systems!! You gotta be a pilot....not a systems manager! Just think of yourself as joining a long tradition like the one at Pensacola NAS. It is not unusual for an F-18 driver to fail his FAA ATP checkride in a poor old Piper Seminole for the same issues your having with the Mustang. Edited January 5, 2015 by Crumpp Answers to most important questions ATC can ask that every pilot should memorize: 1. No, I do not have a pen. 2. Indicating 250
Demon_ Posted January 6, 2015 Posted January 6, 2015 Simply pressed "trimmers reset". Attache ta tuque avec d'la broche.
MegOhm_SD Posted January 6, 2015 Posted January 6, 2015 2600 RPM and 40" MP works pretty well Cooler Master HAF XB EVO , ASUS P8Z77-V, i7-3770K @ 4.6GHz, Noctua AC, 32GB Corsair Vengeance Pro, EVGA 1080TI 11GB, 2 Samsung 840 Pro 540GB SSDs Raid 0, 1TB HDD, EVGA SuperNOVA 1300W PS, G930 Wireless SS Headset, TrackIR5/Wireless Proclip, TM Warthog, Saitek Pro Combat Pedals, 75" Samsung 4K QLED, HP Reverb G2, Win 10
Crumpp Posted January 6, 2015 Posted January 6, 2015 Hands off flying is what autopilots are for, and guess what doesn't exist for a P51D? It does for the FW-190D9....maybe one day a FW-190D9/R11 will be an option. It would be a cool mission IMHO to intercept the Bomber Stream VFR on Top! Answers to most important questions ATC can ask that every pilot should memorize: 1. No, I do not have a pen. 2. Indicating 250
bradboom Posted January 6, 2015 Posted January 6, 2015 Real airplanes require trimming often when the autopilot isn't used. Consider the longer you fly, the more fuel you use, the lighter the plane gets which affects flight characteristics, in addition the things mentioned earlier such as ever-changing weather, etc. For me, this is one of the realistic points of the Sim.
Crumpp Posted January 6, 2015 Posted January 6, 2015 :lol: Answers to most important questions ATC can ask that every pilot should memorize: 1. No, I do not have a pen. 2. Indicating 250
nullsys Posted January 6, 2015 Author Posted January 6, 2015 Thanks everyone. It's good to know I wasn't going crazy or had a fault somewhere. I'm getting used to it now and find I can take my hand off controls and just trim instead. Much smoother for me that way while getting to AO. Odd I know.
WildBillKelsoe Posted January 7, 2015 Posted January 7, 2015 Well its not exactly a hands off aircraft. Every second the sim uses calculations of CG and even with a rear tank you have virtually no way to even maintain pitch. The CG is constantly changing, so its a given with that particular aircraft to have a good trimming system. I dont even look inside the cockpit anymore. My main MO now is to keep heading by raising my height to see the cowling midline on the nose and use that in reference to distant object to trim. AWAITING ED NEW DAMAGE MODEL IMPLEMENTATION FOR WW2 BIRDS Fat T is above, thin T is below. Long T is faster, Short T is slower. Open triangle is AWACS, closed triangle is your own sensors. Double dash is friendly, Single dash is enemy. Circle is friendly. Strobe is jammer. Strobe to dash is under 35 km. HDD is 7 times range key. Radar to 160 km, IRST to 10 km. Stay low, but never slow.
Crumpp Posted January 8, 2015 Posted January 8, 2015 Every second the sim uses calculations of CG That is very cool for modeling stability and control characteristics! Answers to most important questions ATC can ask that every pilot should memorize: 1. No, I do not have a pen. 2. Indicating 250
Folgore1987 Posted January 21, 2015 Posted January 21, 2015 It shows how realistic this sim is in comparison to the TF-51 in Flight Simulator X. You don't even know, for real is even worse, you get to take off in a short runway with really strong winds in a small propeller driven aircraft, sometimes you will literally take off sideways and will only really fly straight and level at a certain altitude or not at all during the entire flight.
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