Dirty Rotten Flieger Posted January 21, 2015 Share Posted January 21, 2015 I made a quick mission with lots of ground targets and was flying attack missions, going back to base , landing , rearming and flying again... I had done maybe 6 missions of low altitude ground pounding and just for a change I thought I might load some air to air missiles and a tank and go high alt and see how fast I could go with the drag of four missiles. I was aiming to get above 10k and see if I could reach mach 2. I couldn't . No hope. I couldn't even hold level flight without about 8 degrees angle of attack at about mach 1.2 It was as if the engine was not making full power. I ejected and took off again with no missiles and even with a clean plane I couldn't get past 1.2mach. I quite the mission and made another with infinite fuel and straight away I noticed much more power . The plane slowly pitched up with afterburners and climbed easily to 15km, leveled off and reached mach 2.2. Maybe spawning a new plane is bugged and the engine is not making full power? Or maybe landing and rearming/refueling is where the problem is. I remember a thread on here from months ago with a similar complaint about angle of attack being too high at high alt and high speed... Has anyone else experienced this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1.JaVA_Platypus Posted January 21, 2015 Share Posted January 21, 2015 Engine fatigue is modelled. It resets if you restart the mission. Can this be applicable in your case? Happy Flying! :pilotfly: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cobra847 Posted January 21, 2015 Share Posted January 21, 2015 I made a quick mission with lots of ground targets and was flying attack missions, going back to base , landing , rearming and flying again... I had done maybe 6 missions of low altitude ground pounding and just for a change I thought I might load some air to air missiles and a tank and go high alt and see how fast I could go with the drag of four missiles. I was aiming to get above 10k and see if I could reach mach 2. I couldn't . No hope. I couldn't even hold level flight without about 8 degrees angle of attack at about mach 1.2 It was as if the engine was not making full power. I ejected and took off again with no missiles and even with a clean plane I couldn't get past 1.2mach. I quite the mission and made another with infinite fuel and straight away I noticed much more power . The plane slowly pitched up with afterburners and climbed easily to 15km, leveled off and reached mach 2.2. Maybe spawning a new plane is bugged and the engine is not making full power? Or maybe landing and rearming/refueling is where the problem is. I remember a thread on here from months ago with a similar complaint about angle of attack being too high at high alt and high speed... Has anyone else experienced this? Your nose cone position switch might be getting reset. Ensure that it is in the Auto position. Nicholas Dackard Founder & Lead Artist Heatblur Simulations https://www.facebook.com/heatblur/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zaelu Posted January 21, 2015 Share Posted January 21, 2015 I had observed a strange behavior, at least in multiplayer. When you rearm your plane from a cold start without starting any thing on it after the rearm is complete the switch for nose cone is moved forward "magically". why? Is it a bug or something intended? P.S. I tend to put it back off then restart it during my start up sequence... just to be sure is working. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] I5 4670k, 32GB, GTX 1070, Thrustmaster TFRP, G940 Throttle extremely modded with Bodnar 0836X and Bu0836A, Warthog Joystick with F-18 grip, Oculus Rift S - Almost all is made from gifts from friends, the most expensive parts at least Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Busutil Posted January 21, 2015 Share Posted January 21, 2015 Engine fatigue is modelled. It resets if you restart the mission. Can this be applicable in your case? A mission reset is not required. You can simply refuel and the systems will self repair. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Checkout my user files here: https://www.digitalcombatsimulator.com/en/files/?CREATED_BY=Mike%20Busutil&set_filter=Y Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dirty Rotten Flieger Posted January 22, 2015 Author Share Posted January 22, 2015 (edited) Ill have to try some more tests... In this case I was landing and refueling/rearming most of the time . On some occasions I got shot down I respawned on the runway with engines running. I have never started a mission on the runway before. I usually start cold. I'll check if it the nose cone switched off on a hot start on the runway. Thanks for the nose cone suggestion. Sounds likely. Edited January 22, 2015 by Dirty Rotten Flieger Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dirty Rotten Flieger Posted January 22, 2015 Author Share Posted January 22, 2015 I tried to reproduce it but couldn't. I also tried switching the nosecone to manual and leaving it at 20% and seeing if that caused the same effect but I was able to get quite high speed with it at 20%. 1.7 mach or there about. Don't think it is the nose cone flipping to manual on respawn or rearm/refuel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QuiGon Posted January 22, 2015 Share Posted January 22, 2015 A mission reset is not required. You can simply refuel and the systems will self repair. IIRC the manual stated that you don't need to refuel/rearm/repair but to keep the engine off for at least 8 minutes to get rid of engine/airframe wear. Intel i7-12700K @ 8x5GHz+4x3.8GHz + 32 GB DDR5 RAM + Nvidia Geforce RTX 2080 (8 GB VRAM) + M.2 SSD + Windows 10 64Bit DCS Panavia Tornado (IDS) really needs to be a thing! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NeilWillis Posted January 22, 2015 Share Posted January 22, 2015 Maybe a ground crewman was sucked into the intake? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Einherjer Posted January 22, 2015 Share Posted January 22, 2015 Maybe a ground crewman was sucked into the intake? Seems legit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Busutil Posted January 22, 2015 Share Posted January 22, 2015 IIRC the manual stated that you don't need to refuel/rearm/repair but to keep the engine off for at least 8 minutes to get rid of engine/airframe wear. Correct. From the manual: "Note: Whenever you fly, your aircraft resources will be slowly consumed (fluids, working resources, stress applied etc). Once you land and require refueling, the systems will “self repair” after the refueling is done." "Note: Internal systems “self repair” is coupled with refueling. However, to make repairs of damaged hardware (fuselage, wings, tail, gears) you need to call the ground crew and ask for repairs. The same applies for rearming." "Your engine will reset stress level to zero, once you land and shut it down. This will happen along with aircraft systems self repair event. You don’t need to do anything apart from being patient for max. 4 minutes." [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Checkout my user files here: https://www.digitalcombatsimulator.com/en/files/?CREATED_BY=Mike%20Busutil&set_filter=Y Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TurboHog Posted January 22, 2015 Share Posted January 22, 2015 I hope it is not the return of the fuel accumulation bug? Can't test right now :( Nose cone is set to on now after rearming, so that can not be the problem unless you manually turn it off. 'Frett' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QuiGon Posted January 22, 2015 Share Posted January 22, 2015 "Your engine will reset stress level to zero, once you land and shut it down. This will happen along with aircraft systems self repair event. You don’t need to do anything apart from being patient for max. 4 minutes." So it was 4 minutes, not 8. But the manual is not clear to me. I can understand that in different ways: To reset the stress level you have to - just shut the engine down after landing OR - shut the engine down for 4 minutes OR - repair the aircraft OR - repair the aircraft AND shut the engine down for 4 minutes Which of them is true and which are wrong? Intel i7-12700K @ 8x5GHz+4x3.8GHz + 32 GB DDR5 RAM + Nvidia Geforce RTX 2080 (8 GB VRAM) + M.2 SSD + Windows 10 64Bit DCS Panavia Tornado (IDS) really needs to be a thing! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Busutil Posted January 22, 2015 Share Posted January 22, 2015 I believe the manual means you can repair the stress level by either: 1) Shutting down the engine and just wait 4 minutes (240 seconds). Or 2) Contact ground and request a repair. #2 requires the engine to be shut down as well in order to work. Ground crew will acknowledge the request but the repair will not start until RPM reads zero. The repair takes 2.8 minutes (170 seconds) [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Checkout my user files here: https://www.digitalcombatsimulator.com/en/files/?CREATED_BY=Mike%20Busutil&set_filter=Y Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dirty Rotten Flieger Posted January 23, 2015 Author Share Posted January 23, 2015 IIRC the manual stated that you don't need to refuel/rearm/repair but to keep the engine off for at least 8 minutes to get rid of engine/airframe wear. Maybe this is the problem. It is possible I had flew 4 ground attack missions one after the other . Also I didn't turn my engine off at all when I landed and rearmed/refueled. If I recall correctly I did get shot down and respawn once though I can't remember. It certainly seems likely that I had just worn out my engine using the burner . Thanks for the suggestion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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