Would you buy an EFM F-104 ?

[lmp]

R: wrong ! ! !

people wanting old planes , find another simulation platform.

 

Nah, we like it here just fine :D.

[Silver_Dragon]

 

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I want to ride a simulated mission: operation Desert Storm.

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=riPXbKRWv6U

 

I want mount the mission: Desert Storm , but I'll need some new playable models. . .

 

MIRAGE F-1 -----------> UNAVAILABLE

MIG 21 -----------> AVAILABLE

MIG-25 foxbat -----------> UNAVAILABLE

MIG-29A -----------> AVAILABLE

F-15A or C -----------> AVAILABLE

F-15E -----------> UNAVAILABLE

F-16A/B -----------> UNAVAILABLE

EF-111A -----------> UNAVAILABLE

 

I not want mount the simulated mission World War II

 

Desert Storm Scenery has no present on DCS: W, you require a 3rd party or similar to make that theater, accord AI units.

 

Mirage F-1 (can will make by Aviodev (if confirm) or other 3rd party)

Mig-21Bis (Leatherneck release)

Mig-25 (tell you to a 3rd party and the Russian Armed forces approved to make them)

Mig-29A (in course to make updates FC-3 level by ED and required Russian Armed forces approved to make harcore level version)

F-15C (If confirmed, can be see a "harcore" level on the future)

F-15E (Call to USAF to aproved a "harcore" level or put a quiestion to IRIS / Razbam if they continue some type of develop of that airplanes)

F-16 (If confirmed, can be see a "harcore" level on the future)

EF-111A (Require USAF autorization to use real info for jamming equipment and ED to implement realistic jammer into DCS: W).

 

And Check the "Unofficial" roadmap please, to see what happens into DCS develop.....

http://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?t=116893

[Sierra99]

ok anyway I do not like old planes....

I think they are in the wrong place.

 

Allow me to remind you each person who builds a map/ mission/ campaign chooses what aircraft are available for clients to fly. Simply because the P-51 is available DOESNT mean I am required to include them in every map I build. That being said, If you don't want to fly a mission with "Old Aircraft" you don't have to...But if I want to build a map with 10 P-51s verses an A-10 just to see who wins...I will and you are free to keep you opinion to yourself about my choices.

 

Second, it is shortsighted and rude of you to imply it is a waste of time for developers to produce model that are not on YOUR list when it's pretty obvious there is a market for them.

[kontiuka]

Funny how a thread about the F-104 has turned into a pro/anti WWII discussion.

[Silver_Dragon]

Typical Hijacked treat

[outlawal2]

Funny how a thread about the F-104 has turned into a pro/anti WWII discussion.

 

 

Why?

 

Nearly EVERY thread seems to turn into that... And interestingly enough it seems to be the same people that continually make that happen...

 

 

Hmmmmmm....

:cry:

[block ii]

 

Second, it is shortsighted and rude of you to imply it is a waste of time for developers to produce model that are not on YOUR list when it's pretty obvious there is a market for them.

 

you are right ! , I really think a waste of time.

 

DCS can not make people happy at the same time , DCS must follow a trail to the end, then start another track.

 

I'm tired of unrealistic missions, with obsolete aircraft flying in the same skies with modern aircraft. .

the old planes are out of context in DCS

I don't have 12 years old , to stay playing game unrealistic , with aircraft different dates of aircraft totally out of context.

I think DCS must complete collection of modern aircraft with a map of a real war.

they must finish what they started, after finishing the modern aircraft collection.

then produce older aircraft or commercial aircraft, with map of the world war II.

Edited February 6, 2015 by block ii

[Flagrum]

you are right ! , I really think a waste of time.

 

DCS can not make people happy at the same time , DCS must follow a trail to the end, then start another track.

 

I'm tired of unrealistic missions, with obsolete aircraft flying in the same skies with modern aircraft. .

the old planes are out of context in DCS

I don't have 12 years old , to stay playing game unrealistic , with aircraft different dates of aircraft totally out of context.

I think DCS must complete collection of modern aircraft with a map of a real war.

they must finish what they started, after finishing the modern aircraft collection.

then produce older aircraft or commercial aircraft, with map of the world war II.

If you don't want to fight a Mig-29 in your P-51 ... or if you don't want to fight a Fw-190 in your F-15 ... then run a different (and more decent/realistic) mission ...!?

 

Yes, I hear ya ... if all would be of the same time period, all of the same "level", it would be great fun. But the goal of DCS is to provide a SAND BOX. That means that only your imagination is the limit. Yes, we are just at the beginning of all of it. But ... they need to _start_ _somewhere_, right?

[Chief1942]

Hey, it's called DCS Wishlist. Wish for the moon if you like, but ultimately ED will decide as it is THEIR business, and so far they have not disappointed me.

[emg]

I think DCS must complete collection of modern aircraft with a map of a real war.

they must finish what they started, after finishing the modern aircraft collection.

then produce older aircraft or commercial aircraft, with map of the world war II.

 

You do know DCS WW2 was kickstarted by a 3rd party?

[Basher54321]

Yes please - F-104C/G - a most fascinating aircraft series

[Flagrum]

You do know DCS WW2 was kickstarted by a 3rd party?

Do you know .... that the poster's name of a quote will be displayed if you don't delete it when you clicked "quote"? :huh:

[Silver_Dragon]

you are right ! , I really think a waste of time.

 

DCS can not make people happy at the same time , DCS must follow a trail to the end, then start another track.

 

I'm tired of unrealistic missions, with obsolete aircraft flying in the same skies with modern aircraft. .

the old planes are out of context in DCS

I don't have 12 years old , to stay playing game unrealistic , with aircraft different dates of aircraft totally out of context.

I think DCS must complete collection of modern aircraft with a map of a real war.

they must finish what they started, after finishing the modern aircraft collection.

then produce older aircraft or commercial aircraft, with map of the world war II.

 

Sorry man but... that is a fact, period.

 

DCS stands for “Digital Combat Simulator”. DCS is a world simulation engine permitting the user to operate or direct a growing number of combat and civilian aircraft, ground vehicles and ships, from different historical eras, in different geographical locations and at different levels of fidelity. It is a true "sand box" simulation. DCS started with the Ka-50 and A-10C, but has recently grown to also include the P-51D Mustang and, with Combined Arms, a ground command and control tactical warfare component. Future products from The Fighter Collection and Eagle Dynamics in the DCS line are in development and will includes partner products like the UH-1H "Huey", MiG-21bis "Fishbed", T-2 "Buckeye", BAE "Hawk", and Mi-8MT-V2 "Hip".

 

The overall "simulation operating system" is termed DCS World and is a free program that includes a free Su-25T for the player to fly. All DCS products will plug into DCS World as unique modules within the same software installation. DCS products will not be limited to aircraft, but will include maps, missions, campaigns, environment objects, weapons, vehicles and ships. We even hope to look into a train simulation component in the future!

 

Partner products to DCS are supported by ED and there are already several qualified 3rd party teams creating new aircraft that will plug into DCS World. In these cases we leave it up to the developer to decide the level of systems fidelity, but we do expect certain "DCS Standards" to be maintained such as detailed and accurate models and cockpits with 6 DOF view control.

 

We are also developing "DCS Flaming Cliffs" titles as modules for DCS. These aircraft include highly detailed models, 6 DOF capable cockpits, and advanced flight models. However, they have the same level of cockpit functionality as our Lock On series (a less complex and shallower learning curve).

 

If you dont like where are the actual road to DCS: W has coming, that is not "your" simulator.

[emg]

Do you know .... that the poster's name of a quote will be displayed if you don't delete it when you clicked "quote"? :huh:

I copied the text and used quote tags. I don't think there's any doubt as to which poster was quoted.

[Flagrum]

I copied the text and used quote tags. I don't think there's any doubt as to which poster was quoted.

I did not memorize the whole thread and tbh, I am not willing to use the browser's seach function to find the posting you were quoting ......

 

edit:

not trying to be an arse ... just meant as a *nudge* ...

Edited February 6, 2015 by Flagrum

[emg]

It's from the quote in the posts above and below mine... ;)

[Sierra99]

Funny how a thread about the F-104 has turned into a pro/anti WWII discussion.

 

You are absolutely right... My apologies. I intended to include a YES vote for an EFM-F-104 just for the novelty of it AND to encourage further DCS development.

[MiG21bisFishbedL]

Sorry man but... that is a fact, period.

 

 

 

If you dont like where are the actual road to DCS: W has coming, that is not "your" simulator.

 

Another consideration is that utilizing obsolete equipment is a reality of modern air war.

 

I don't think Croatia or Serbia will deny the age the MiG-21bis. However, for nations like this, it can be a matter of either keeping these old fighters flying or to have a reduced inventory/not have any fighters at all.

[Exorcet]

people wanting old planes , find another simulation platform.

 

The developers of DCSW have clearly stated DCS is not a modern only aircraft sim. You are going against the intended purpose by claiming it is. By your own logic, you should leave and find another sim.

 

I'm tired of unrealistic missions.

I really want to simulate a real war, I'd love to have this map in DCS

with all the planes that were at war

What unrealistic missions? This is DCS. You can make unrealistic missions if you want, but they are hardly your only option.

 

If you want to fight a real war, that's also very easy to satisfy.

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russo-Georgian_War

 

Desert Storm is far from the only conflict to ever happen. That you want it doesn't make it special.

[block ii]

 

What unrealistic missions? This is DCS. You can make unrealistic missions if you want, but they are hardly your only option.

 

 

 

I want to simulate real air combat air air [ Russia vs Georgia ] was not real air combat air air.

as I will simulate [ air to air combat ] , in a war that was not [ air to air combat ] ?

this war there was no combat air to air , on both sides.

there was not air to air combat , only the Russians used sukhoi 25A / T and MI-8 to destroy the with Geórgia.

Russians are infinitely more powerful than the Geórgia , was not a real war was a massacre, the duration was only two days.

I really do not think cool simulate this war only with ground attack.

if I add aircraft to the coalition georgia, automatically become an unrealistic simulation.

Edited February 7, 2015 by block ii

[Exorcet]

I want to simulate real air combat air air [ Russia vs Georgia ] was not real air combat air air.

as I will simulate [ air to air combat ] , in a war that was not [ air to air combat ] ?

this war there was no combat air to air , on both sides.

there was not air to air combat , only the Russians used sukhoi 25A / T and MI-8 to destroy the with Geórgia.

Russians are infinitely more powerful than the Geórgia , was not a real war was a massacre, the duration was only two days.

I really do not think cool simulate this war only with ground attack.

if I add aircraft to the side to georgia, automatically become an unrealistic simulation.

 

That's different than what you originally said and it doesn't really have anything to do with realism. There was air to air combat involved anyway, even if limited. Su-27's were deployed to maintain air superiority and a Georgian drone was shot down just before the war started.

 

Why does adding aircraft to Gerogia's side make things unrealistic? Realism isn't limited to historical accuracy. There's nothing unrealistic about another nation coming to Georgia's aid or Georgia having a marginally better air force.

[block ii]

There was air to air combat involved anyway, even if limited. Su-27's were deployed to maintain air superiority and a Georgian drone was shot down just before the war started.

 

just one drone was shot down , Our this is really Fantastic ! ! ! LOL it was truly an amazing [ air to air combat ]. LOL

I do not like Russian planes and I will still have to simulate drone being slaughtered? really is not cool !

 

okay I'm already 4 or 5 years waiting to new modern aircraft and improvements real air combat , I think it will take another 5 or 10 years to come true, I will not ask for more improvements , I'm tired of waiting. I give up...

[Exorcet]

4-5 years ago DCS World was not even released. Since then we've approached DCS World 2 with an entirely new IG and maps and the promise of many revisions (on top of all that was added via updates). Given that and the nature of DCS Module development, I think it's a little early to be tired.

 

When it comes to what you want, you're not being very specific, as every time I inquire, you bring up new criteria (like now, Russian planes aren't acceptable). Everyone has their preferences, but what makes your a priority? Your views don't even mesh with the developers. At least recognize that.

 

In the mean time while you wait for what you want, you have a pretty good sim in front of you. No you can't recreate a historically accurate Desert Storm, but you can make something quite similar. Why not try that?

[block ii]

4-5 years ago DCS World was not even released. Since then we've approached DCS World 2 with an entirely new IG and maps and the promise of many revisions (on top of all that was added via updates). Given that and the nature of DCS Module development, I think it's a little early to be tired.

 

 

I'm really hoping 4 or 5 years , I have the first module lock on modern air combat / FC2 / Ka-50 1 / Ka-50 2 / A-10C.

 

You say things without solid foundations you talk just by talking, how old are you.

This can help you clarify your question.

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Digital_Combat_Simulator

 

but anyway I've had enough for me, goodbye !

[outlawal2]

I'm really hoping 4 or 5 years , I have the first module lock on modern air combat / FC2 / Ka-50 1 / Ka-50 2 / A-10C.

 

You say things without solid foundations you talk just by talking, how old are you.

This can help you clarify your question.

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Digital_Combat_Simulator

 

but anyway I've had enough for me, goodbye !

 

Buh Bye!

:thumbup: