captain_dalan Posted March 4, 2015 Posted March 4, 2015 What I do not get is why would they develop A version when there will be the B version too. Why put work in a separate flight model when they can differenciate the versions a lot more than just with engine upgrades. From a marketing point a B version with strike capabilities would be a lot better than a B version with only upgraded engines. Then we get to the point where the A will be used only for campaign purposes as everybody else will use B in multiplayer. Having flown both versions in other sims, a can appreciate the differences both platforms provide, from performance as well as from handling point of view. But seeing how more then 3/4 of all the cats were historically A's,and as a long standing fan of the plane (F-14 being my visually favorite jet plane along with the F-8 ) i would actually prefer flying the A (even in MP environment) over the B. To me it just provides more "atmosphere", "immersion" and "sense of accomplishment". Just like F-4U in WW2, or the S.E.5 in WW1. I want the most "authentic" experience possible. Modules: FC3, Mirage 2000C, Harrier AV-8B NA, F-5, AJS-37 Viggen, F-14B, F-14A, Combined Arms, F/A-18C, F-16C, MiG-19P, F-86, MiG-15, FW-190A, Spitfire Mk IX, UH-1 Huey, Su-25, P-51PD, Caucasus map, Nevada map, Persian Gulf map, Marianas map, Syria Map, Super Carrier, Sinai map, Mosquito, P-51, AH-64 Apache, F4U Corsair, WWII Assets Pack
Jumbik Posted March 4, 2015 Posted March 4, 2015 :doh: :doh: :doh: :doh: :doh: :doh: I bet youre one of those who are question why we have ww2 birds in dsc smh........... :doh: No Im not. I dont mind flying WW2 plane over Gruzia even though it does not fit in time and place nor do I mind flying F-14B in a campaign that could have been flown only by F-14A. The same goes for other airplane variants. What I was trying to point out is why would they bother with A in first place when they will be doing B for first release too. But if they would do the B strike capable right away then I would understand it quite easily. DCS community is used for UFOs all over the place because there is lack of theathers anyway. Do, or do not, there is no try. -------------------------------------------------------- Sapphire Nitro+ Rx Vega 64, i7 4790K ... etc. etc.
Exorcet Posted March 4, 2015 Posted March 4, 2015 I don't consider the AG necessary, but it's nice to have in this case since it won't negatively impact the F-14 as a fighter. I might carry bombs occasionally if given the option, but air to ground missions can get pretty repetitive and a lot of times require a ton of work to make interesting in the ME. I think what DCS might be good at (though it would still require work to set up right) is SEAD, but this is beyond the F-14's capabilities. DCS 2.0's improvements to AI may help things on the ground attack front though. Either way, we'll be getting a fighter, so I don't mind what LN decides to do. Awaiting: DCS F-15C Win 10 i5-9600KF 4.6 GHz 64 GB RAM RTX2080Ti 11GB -- Win 7 64 i5-6600K 3.6 GHz 32 GB RAM GTX970 4GB -- A-10C, F-5E, Su-27, F-15C, F-14B, F-16C missions in User Files
Alicatt Posted March 4, 2015 Posted March 4, 2015 I think what DCS might be good at (though it would still require work to set up right) is SEAD, but this is beyond the F-14's capabilities. The HARM is listed as one of the weapons that the F-14 could carry. Also listed is the rocket pod with 4, 5" rockets per pod, using the LAU 10A/A adapter/launcher rack, she can carry 2 pods on station 3 and 1 pod on station 6. From Navair 00-110AF14-1 Sons of Dogs, Come Eat Flesh Clan Cameron
Dudikoff Posted March 4, 2015 Posted March 4, 2015 (edited) The HARM is listed as one of the weapons that the F-14 could carry. Also listed is the rocket pod with 4, 5" rockets per pod, using the LAU 10A/A adapter/launcher rack, she can carry 2 pods on station 3 and 1 pod on station 6. From Navair 00-110AF14-1 Not sure about the rocket launchers (highly doubt that was even actually tested let alone integrated), but HARM integration was most certainly not done AFAIK. These were maybe planned upgrades (like the HARM was perhaps planned for Phase 3 of the Block I Strike program according to one source), but they made no sense really with the Super Hornet on the way. Edited March 4, 2015 by Dudikoff i386DX40@42 MHz w/i387 CP, 4 MB RAM (8*512 kB), Trident 8900C 1 MB w/16-bit RAMDAC ISA, Quantum 340 MB UDMA33, SB 16, DOS 6.22 w/QEMM + Win3.11CE, Quickshot 1btn 2axis, Numpad as hat. 2 FPH on a good day, 1 FPH avg. DISCLAIMER: My posts are still absolutely useless. Just finding excuses not to learn the F-14 (HB's Swansong?). Annoyed by my posts? Please consider donating. Once the target sum is reached, I'll be off to somewhere nice I promise not to post from. I'd buy that for a dollar!
Alicatt Posted March 4, 2015 Posted March 4, 2015 Offhand I can't remember where I read about the HARM, I'll link it up when I have found it again. Here is one of the pages from the Standard Aircraft Characteristics where it shows the load out, it is listed under ordnance on another page which gives the general specifications of the aircraft too. Sons of Dogs, Come Eat Flesh Clan Cameron
Dudikoff Posted March 4, 2015 Posted March 4, 2015 (edited) OK, but I've read that Mk20s and CBU-59s were only intended as part of the Phase 2 of the Block I Strike upgrade from 1993 which was canned. This document is from 1977 and the A2G role was perhaps considered back then, but was not seriously pursued until the early 90s as besides a few test flights (not employments) in the earliest days with Mk82s and 83s, I don't remember reading about any further work on the A2G mission. Edited March 4, 2015 by Dudikoff i386DX40@42 MHz w/i387 CP, 4 MB RAM (8*512 kB), Trident 8900C 1 MB w/16-bit RAMDAC ISA, Quantum 340 MB UDMA33, SB 16, DOS 6.22 w/QEMM + Win3.11CE, Quickshot 1btn 2axis, Numpad as hat. 2 FPH on a good day, 1 FPH avg. DISCLAIMER: My posts are still absolutely useless. Just finding excuses not to learn the F-14 (HB's Swansong?). Annoyed by my posts? Please consider donating. Once the target sum is reached, I'll be off to somewhere nice I promise not to post from. I'd buy that for a dollar!
Nooch Posted March 4, 2015 Posted March 4, 2015 To me it's either they make a D model or they shouldn't make a bombcat at all. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]
SilentGun Posted March 4, 2015 Posted March 4, 2015 To me it's either they make a D model or they shouldn't make a bombcat at all. Why are you complaining? There making a tomcat, and a modern, maybe multi roll fighter jet for DCS. Can't you be happy for that? Link to my Imgur screenshots and motto http://imgur.com/a/Gt7dF One day in DCS... Vipers will fly along side Tomcats... Bugs with Superbugs, Tiffy's with Tornado's, Fulcrums with Flankers and Mirage with Rafales... :)The Future of DCS is a bright one:)
xaoslaad Posted March 4, 2015 Posted March 4, 2015 (edited) There are pictures of a Tomcat carrying HARMS but as far as I know it never went further than testing. Edit, here: http://www.anft.net/f-14/f14-detail-agm88.htm Edited March 4, 2015 by xaoslaad
Dudikoff Posted March 4, 2015 Posted March 4, 2015 (edited) There are pictures of a Tomcat carrying HARMS but as far as I know it never went further than testing. Edit, here: http://www.anft.net/f-14/f14-detail-agm88.htm But, it's important to note that this was part of the Grumman's tests, not the Navy which never seriously considered this option as they had no need for it. Edited March 4, 2015 by Dudikoff i386DX40@42 MHz w/i387 CP, 4 MB RAM (8*512 kB), Trident 8900C 1 MB w/16-bit RAMDAC ISA, Quantum 340 MB UDMA33, SB 16, DOS 6.22 w/QEMM + Win3.11CE, Quickshot 1btn 2axis, Numpad as hat. 2 FPH on a good day, 1 FPH avg. DISCLAIMER: My posts are still absolutely useless. Just finding excuses not to learn the F-14 (HB's Swansong?). Annoyed by my posts? Please consider donating. Once the target sum is reached, I'll be off to somewhere nice I promise not to post from. I'd buy that for a dollar!
Woogey Posted March 4, 2015 Posted March 4, 2015 What a dumb Poll. Of course they will be Air to ground capable. Do you not see the Bomb racks on the Pylons? Not to mention they all were upgraded by the time they were retired. F-14A's were also "BombCat's."
FlyingHighAU Posted March 4, 2015 Posted March 4, 2015 What a dumb Poll. Of course they will be Air to ground capable. Do you not see the Bomb racks on the Pylons? Not to mention they all were upgraded by the time they were retired. F-14A's were also "BombCat's." What an ignorant comment. All F-14's could drop iron bombs. But some A's and B's were upgraded to bombcats, so that they were able to drop and designate their on LGBs and GBUs through LTS.
Zakatak Posted March 5, 2015 Author Posted March 5, 2015 I bet these same people put 6 mavs on their A-10.
Manuel_108 Posted March 5, 2015 Posted March 5, 2015 Offhand I can't remember where I read about the HARM, I'll link it up when I have found it again. Here is one of the pages from the Standard Aircraft Characteristics where it shows the load out, it is listed under ordnance on another page which gives the general specifications of the aircraft too. Finally a fighter where you can put tons of missiles on!!
Dudikoff Posted March 5, 2015 Posted March 5, 2015 Finally a fighter where you can put tons of missiles on!! Tons of missiles? I see only three types and all are A2A. i386DX40@42 MHz w/i387 CP, 4 MB RAM (8*512 kB), Trident 8900C 1 MB w/16-bit RAMDAC ISA, Quantum 340 MB UDMA33, SB 16, DOS 6.22 w/QEMM + Win3.11CE, Quickshot 1btn 2axis, Numpad as hat. 2 FPH on a good day, 1 FPH avg. DISCLAIMER: My posts are still absolutely useless. Just finding excuses not to learn the F-14 (HB's Swansong?). Annoyed by my posts? Please consider donating. Once the target sum is reached, I'll be off to somewhere nice I promise not to post from. I'd buy that for a dollar!
Paradox Posted March 5, 2015 Posted March 5, 2015 Tons of missiles? I see only three types and all are A2A. The best kind of missile! And 14 mk82s for when you've run out of real opponents to shoot at.
Manuel_108 Posted March 5, 2015 Posted March 5, 2015 I meant the quantity, not the different kinds. I think with sidewinders/sparrows AND the Phoenix there is something for all needs nevertheless. :)
Dudikoff Posted March 5, 2015 Posted March 5, 2015 (edited) I meant the quantity, not the different kinds. I think with sidewinders/sparrows AND the Phoenix there is something for all needs nevertheless. :) That thought did occur to me, but I disregarded it as that's like 8 missiles in total which is equal to what the F-15C carries and Su-27/33 can carry even more (as both are there in DCS World). The long range missiles do add something new to the mix, though. Edited March 5, 2015 by Dudikoff i386DX40@42 MHz w/i387 CP, 4 MB RAM (8*512 kB), Trident 8900C 1 MB w/16-bit RAMDAC ISA, Quantum 340 MB UDMA33, SB 16, DOS 6.22 w/QEMM + Win3.11CE, Quickshot 1btn 2axis, Numpad as hat. 2 FPH on a good day, 1 FPH avg. DISCLAIMER: My posts are still absolutely useless. Just finding excuses not to learn the F-14 (HB's Swansong?). Annoyed by my posts? Please consider donating. Once the target sum is reached, I'll be off to somewhere nice I promise not to post from. I'd buy that for a dollar!
captain_dalan Posted March 5, 2015 Posted March 5, 2015 That thought did occur to me, but I disregarded it as that's like 8 missiles in total which is equal to what the F-15C carries and Su-27/33 can carry even more (as both are there in DCS World). The long range missiles do add something new to the mix, though. My own personal preference (for flexibility) has never been the maximum load. When i don't know what i would be up against, i would opt for 2X54's, 3X7's and 2X9's :) Modules: FC3, Mirage 2000C, Harrier AV-8B NA, F-5, AJS-37 Viggen, F-14B, F-14A, Combined Arms, F/A-18C, F-16C, MiG-19P, F-86, MiG-15, FW-190A, Spitfire Mk IX, UH-1 Huey, Su-25, P-51PD, Caucasus map, Nevada map, Persian Gulf map, Marianas map, Syria Map, Super Carrier, Sinai map, Mosquito, P-51, AH-64 Apache, F4U Corsair, WWII Assets Pack
Manuel_108 Posted March 6, 2015 Posted March 6, 2015 Well, the mig-21, the only fast mover in the game (disregarding FC) can only carry 4, so it's something.
King_Hrothgar Posted March 6, 2015 Posted March 6, 2015 ^MiG-21 can carry 8 if you like R-60's. Regardless, I don't think the F-14's missile load is going to be an issue.
SilentGun Posted March 6, 2015 Posted March 6, 2015 ^MiG-21 can carry 8 if you like R-60's. Regardless, I don't think the F-14's missile load is going to be an issue. It can't carry 8, it will only allow you to load 4 Link to my Imgur screenshots and motto http://imgur.com/a/Gt7dF One day in DCS... Vipers will fly along side Tomcats... Bugs with Superbugs, Tiffy's with Tornado's, Fulcrums with Flankers and Mirage with Rafales... :)The Future of DCS is a bright one:)
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