Next aircraft speculation

[Hummingbird]

As Hummingbird said: So far there are no indications that they will do an F-4. Besides the three known aircraft which they're working on, we only know that they want to do a full WW2 Pacific theater and we have some hints from Rudel which point towards a zero or something like that.

 

I'd be pretty darn stoked with a Zero as well, I just wonder what version they might go for then?

 

Personally I hope the A6M3 or A6M5.

[Vampyre]

As Hummingbird said: So far there are no indications that they will do an F-4. Besides the three known aircraft which they're working on, we only know that they want to do a full WW2 Pacific theater and we have some hints from Rudel which point towards a zero or something like that.

 

...and where exactly did I state that Leatherneck wanted to do or were working on a F-4 Phantom?:doh: The words "if anyone" meaning any developer who chooses to do a Phantom. LNS are on the short list of developers that I know would be able to do the double ugly justice but that doesn't mean they have to be the ones to do it. The others are RAZBAM, ED themselves, and possibly BST but BST seem to gravitate to simpler aircraft where their jet fighter modules are concerned.

 

We do have a indication that they want to do a Gripen as well which means fast jets are not out of the question.

 

As for the Zero, it will be easy meat for the Corsair even in its A6M5 version. A Ki-84 or N1K2 would be better suited for Detachment, Iceberg or Olympic/Ketsu-Go operations even though they are also at a disadvantage to the Corsair. I am not yet convinced they are actually working on a Zero to "counter" the Corsair.

[Rangi]

...and where exactly did I state that Leatherneck wanted to do or were working on a F-4 Phantom?:doh:

 

This is the Leatherneck next aircraft speculation thread so if you are talking about an aircraft it is assumed you mean you think it may be the next aircraft to be developed by Leatherneck.

[QuiGon]

...and where exactly did I state that Leatherneck wanted to do or were working on a F-4 Phantom?:doh:

 

Where did you state that? Simple answer: In the Leatherneck Next aircraft speculation thread ;)

 

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[Vampyre]

Where did you state that? Simple answer: In the Leatherneck Next aircraft speculation thread ;)

 

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Actually no. I never stated that. Nice try though. I guess reading comprehension is not your strong suit. My statement was in a response to another post and you assumed... Perhaps you should have responded to the guy who actually did speculate that the next LNS aircraft was going to be an F-4. Again. :doh:

[QuiGon]

Actually no. I never stated that. Nice try though. I guess reading comprehension is not your strong suit. My statement was in a response to another post and you assumed...

Your comment was in response to another post that talked about a F-4 by LNS, made in the thread for speculation about the next LNS aircraft. As you can see, I'm not the only one who understands it like that.

 

Perhaps you should have responded to the guy who actually did speculate that the next LNS aircraft was going to be an F-4. Again. :doh:

True, that would have fitted better.

[Robert31178]

".......am not yet convinced they are actually working on a Zero to "counter" the Corsair."

 

More like a good match for the P-40 that seems to have died already.

[Hiromachi]

Even if they would be working on a Zero then its still a Corsair that would have to be released first. And there are no news about Corsair practically since the moment it was announced. I am afraid it will be a very long and silent wait before any of the Pacific stuff (Iwo-Jima and later Okinawa map) will happen.

 

We can speculate what would be good to counter Corsair but fact is that so far there is no Corsair.

[Angelthunder]

Oh for the love of god make that MiG-23MLD !!!!

Well,Razbam has already added somebody's Mig-23MLA Flogger project to there lineup already.Along with the Mig-19P Farmer.:smilewink:

[Hummingbird]

The A6M3 or 5 actually can be quite deadly versus the Corsair, I remember that from the good old times of IL2 pacific :) Now the Corsair was/is obviously the superior fighter, but the Zero's agility can make life real hard for most Corsair pilots.

 

That said I was hoping for a F4U-4 ingame, to be able to effectively compete with the other propjobs we have ingame atm.

Edited December 10, 2016 by Hummingbird

[rcl]

want it, only prob is I still prefer mig-31 with r-33

r-40 it's not good

[probad]

The A6M3 or 5 actually can be quite deadly versus the Corsair, I remember that from the good old times of IL2 pacific :) Now the Corsair was/is obviously the superior fighter, but the Zero's agility can make life real hard for most Corsair pilots.

 

That said I was hoping for a F4U-4 ingame, to be able to effectively compete with the other propjobs we have ingame atm.

hell today i witnessed a f-5 suckered into a turnfight against a mig-15 and getting completely clobbered by the 37mm. i think competitiveness has got more to do with the pilot than the plane.

Edited December 11, 2016 by probad

[Hummingbird]

hell today i witnessed a f-5 suckered into a turnfight against a mig-15 and getting completely clobbered by the 37mm. i think competitiveness has got more to do with the pilot than the plane.

 

No doubt about that.

[Hiromachi]

The A6M3 or 5 actually can be quite deadly versus the Corsair, I remember that from the good old times of IL2 pacific :) Now the Corsair was/is obviously the superior fighter, but the Zero's agility can make life real hard for most Corsair pilots.

 

Well, if one would compare A6M5 and F4U-1D at rated/military power than its more or less that way:

A6M5

Top speed – 290 kts (537 km/h) at 3,350 m

302 kts (560 km/h) at 6,000 m

Time to altitude – 3 min 12 sec to 3000 m

7 min 1 sec to 6000 m

Maximum diving speed – 400 kts (740 km/h)

 

F4U-1D

Top speed – 359 mph (577 km/h) at 3,000 m

387 mph (623 km/h) at 6,000 m

396 mph (637 km/h) at 7,300 m

Time to altitude – 3 min 48 sec to 3000 m

8 min 13 sec to 6000 m

Maximum diving speed – In excess of 500 mph ( 800 km/h)

 

As I said earlier, if that would be something else, a 1943 model of F4U, than Zero has a fairly decent chance of fighting it. But F4U-1D holds quite a bit of advantage, and with water injection its like 190 with MW50 - can jump to emergency power and use it for quite some time.

[Robert31178]

It was the speed. The Corsair can actually make over 400mph in level flight, it was the first single engine plane to do so in the US inventory, and it was 2nd only behind the P-38 in achieving that mark.

 

The Corsair could also dive faster than a Zero, and it was heavier so the acceleration in a dive was better too.

 

Agility only gets you so far, eventually you will work your way down. I know a lot of us like to think we are really good, and as lot of us who have been flying flight sims for 10+ years have had the luxury of learning all of this at our own pace with many many many resets. We are, by default a different look at air combat than what was reflected in WWII. you aces were virtuosos, men who figured out how to be highly effective killing machines in a short amount of time, and there were very few of them. There is a far more level playing field online that there ever was in real life. I'm saying that because everyone who is reading this right now knows better than to turn fight a Zero. And not because we were told that or read that once or twice, but because we thought we were better and got ourselves shot down a few times and learned lessons that in WWII cost people their lives.

 

The Zero will stand no more of a chance here than it did in IL2, or in real life. If you can zoom it, then you can boom it. You can keep on with your fruity little twirls and flips, but you will run out of speed, you will run out of altitude, you will run out of energy, and you will run out of options.

 

That's just how I see it.

[Hiromachi]

Nobody denies that Robert. I just put them in comparable engine settings to get the picture (which I think even then is pretty clear) and mentioned that Emergency Power would even increase the gap :)

 

Dive is not a constant thing, weight has some impact, particularly at higher speeds. But acceleration at lower speeds is also important, I'd imagine Zero could at early stages of dive hold to Corsair (which seems to be confirmed by tests) but later Corsair would easily dive away.

 

People are supposed to know better yet they turn. They did in CFS, they did in Il-2 Pacific Fighters and they do in War Thunder/Aces High. Temptation to turn is too great so often, one can see it currently with Mustangs, 109s and 190s !

Also, I'd say Zero stood a decent chance in Il-2. On servers back then it wasnt uncommon to get scores opposite to those recorded in history, which clearly meant that pilot element was as important as the machine.

[TomCatMucDe]

The Viggen and the F14 will keep them busy for at least 2 years. You can wait a bit before starting speculation about what comes next.

 

 

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[Rangi]

The Viggen and the F14 will keep them busy for at least 2 years. You can wait a bit before starting speculation about what comes next.

 

 

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The viggen is almost done and once the modeller or coder or texture artist is waiting for one of the others to do something, they may as well be working on something new, so it makes sense to have at least 2 if not 3 projects on the go at one time.

[Hummingbird]

They should do the JA-37 at some point too really, shouldn't be that hard with the ground work already done with the AJS :)

[QuiGon]

The Viggen, the Corsair and the F14 will keep them busy for at least 2 years. You can wait a bit before starting speculation about what comes next.

 

Fixed that for you ;)

[TomCatMucDe]

Fixed that for you ;)

 

 

 

I don't believe that they are out of the tunnel with the Viggen there are still bugs to fix... plus getting out of Beta will take time.

 

But fair enough, they will be busy with the Tomcat Viggen and Corsair the next 2 years at least.

 

 

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[QuiGon]

I don't believe that they are out of the tunnel with the Viggen there are still bugs to fix... plus getting out of Beta will take time.

 

No doubts about that, but the Corsair is already on their list and is supposed to come before the Tomcat :)

[TomCatMucDe]

No doubts about that, but the Corsair is already on their list and is supposed to come before the Tomcat :)

 

 

 

You are right. The point is they have a lot on their table. I'm afraid we are speculating too early. I bet Razbam will deliver the Mig23 before the speculated aircraft from LNS

 

 

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[Cunctator]

The big unknown is how much stuff they want to release with the Corsair? They talked about period AI units and of course at least the Iwo Jima map. Will they wait until enough stuff of the hinted Pacific project is finished or are they willing to release the F4U before?

[QuiGon]

The big unknown is how much stuff they want to release with the Corsair? They talked about period AI units and of course at least the Iwo Jima map. Will they wait until enough stuff of the hinted Pacific project is finished or are they willing to release the F4U before?

 

I'm pretty sure they will release the F4U when its ready, regardless of the status of the other stuff. The Viggen map will also be released much later than the Viggen itself. There is no point to hold it back.