Mod to fix visibility of aircraft in game! bypasses integrity checks.

[KenobiOrder]

http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Description=4k%20monitors&Submit=ENE

[Angel101]

and... it works?

 

I have a 28" monitor but isn´t a 4k and I think that at least I need to upgrade to a minimun 32" 4k wide screen to see something :geek:

[SkateZilla]

4K has higher pixel density, so objects that are normally invisible.due.to.subpixel size on 1080p are still visible somewhat on 4k in theory

[rcjonessnp175]

This or save your money and use Nvidia Dsr which actually works better than actual 4k and spotting of other aircraft and or ground tgts is highly enhanced.

 

 

http://www.geforce.com/hardware/technology/dsr/technology

[cichlidfan]

http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Description=4k%20monitors&Submit=ENE

 

Have you tested your theory?

[doveman]

This or save your money and use Nvidia Dsr which actually works better than actual 4k and spotting of other aircraft and or ground tgts is highly enhanced.

 

 

http://www.geforce.com/hardware/technology/dsr/technology

I don't really get how that works. So it renders at 4k but then has to down sample to 1080p, so if there's an object visible on one or two pixels at 4k, does it use a bunch of the 1080p pixels to show it even bigger than it should be or just discard it?

 

I see the free Game Companion has a similar feature which can be to set to various multiples of the display resolution. Would be interesting if some Nvidia users could compare that to DSR.

[rcjonessnp175]

When I used Dsr it greatly enhances aircraft visibility and you don't need to use 4k. You can use 2k and works just as good. I don't use it anymore as I fly mainly in the rift now then if not I fly in 3dvision on tv.

The way dsr works it enhances those long range pixels for better visibility.

 

 

http://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?t=132814

[Dav IRL]

4k is beautiful much sharper and much clearer.

[KenobiOrder]

4K has higher pixel density, so objects that are normally invisible.due.to.subpixel size on 1080p are still visible somewhat on 4k in theory

 

DSR does not do anything, I wish people would stop propagating this. its just multisampling, so it reduces contrast and blurs the image. It makes it worse not better. Your encountering placebo effect if you think otherwise.

 

 

 

As to whether I tested my theory, yes. I can now EASILY spot a Su-27 head on at 6nm, and a Bf109 at 3.7.

[rcjonessnp175]

DSR does not do anything, I wish people would stop propagating this. its just multisampling, so it reduces contrast and blurs the image. It makes it worse not better. Your encountering placebo effect if you think otherwise.

 

 

 

As to whether I tested my theory, yes. I can now EASILY spot a Su-27 head on at 6nm, and a Bf109 at 3.7.

 

Lol big negative on that.

[SkateZilla]

DSR does not do anything, I wish people would stop propagating this. its just multisampling, so it reduces contrast and blurs the image. It makes it worse not better. Your encountering placebo effect if you think otherwise.

 

 

 

As to whether I tested my theory, yes. I can now EASILY spot a Su-27 head on at 6nm, and a Bf109 at 3.7.

 

I was referring to 4K Screens, not DSR

[KenobiOrder]

Lol big negative on that.

 

It isnt a matter of opinion. DSR is a form of AA, and AA reduces both contrast and clarity to make the image appear more smooth. You literally lose the dot in the interpolation of the image.

[KenobiOrder]

I was referring to 4K Screens, not DSR

 

I pushed the wrong quote button

[rcjonessnp175]

It isnt a matter of opinion. DSR is a form of AA, and AA reduces both contrast and clarity to make the image appear more smooth. You literally lose the dot in the interpolation of the image.

 

Again negative. It makes a huge difference on aircraft visibility and the aa crap you speak of is adjustable. It enhances the image more,than standard down sampling. But whatever tired of arguing with wiki commandos.

[vicx]

Technically DSR is a combination of Super-sampling and Multi-sampling. It probably lets you get a look that is unachievable using one method alone. For someone without 4K it probably is the next best thing (if you have some GPU available due to DCS being mostly single-thread CPU bound).

 

Most times I still would rather have 4K however I do think that screen size is more important and I might actually prefer a 42" 1080P screen with DSR than a 28" 4K screen.

 

Just my opinion.

 

I'm running a 30" 2.5K screen and I do think it would be much better to have a larger screen. It would be great for images on the screen to be 1:1 arc degrees what they would be IRL OR even larger (zooming without having to zoom) so it is easier on the eyes.

[blackbelter]

DSR does wonders to DCS. I just tried it today.

 

Thanks for the recommendation!

 

What is more wonderful is the fact that my GTX 680 2GB is able to pull it off! I tried 2X resolution on my 1080P TV today and, while I could see things much clearer at longer distances, I didn't detect much decrease in FPS. Will try 4X next time. Let's see how far I can stretch it.

[rcjonessnp175]

DSR does wonders to DCS. I just tried it today.

 

Thanks for the recommendation!

 

What is more wonderful is the fact that my GTX 680 2GB is able to pull it off! I tried 2X resolution on my 1080P TV today and, while I could see things much clearer at longer distances, I didn't detect much decrease in FPS. Will try 4X next time. Let's see how far I can stretch it.

 

Exactly my point, does wonders for those of us on big screens not the little pc screens. Glad it worked for ya.

[blackbelter]

Exactly my point, does wonders for those of us on big screens not the little pc screens. Glad it worked for ya.

 

Apparently it does not matter if 2X or 4X resolution is used for DSR, the performance is unaffected, as far as I can detect anyway. Both appeared wonderfully clear.

 

But I also did not examine carefully if there are improvements from 2X to 4X. I will simply stick to 4X for the moment...

[HeadHunter52]

I set up DSR yesterday, independently of this thread. Wrote it up one another. Yes, it helps. Cuts FPS a bit, but I determined that my bottleneck is my CPU, not my GPU.

 

Things do wake up.

[cichlidfan]

Apparently it does not matter if 2X or 4X resolution is used for DSR, the performance is unaffected, as far as I can detect anyway.

 

I sincerely doubt you are getting even close to the same FPS when your card is processing 8 million pixels vs 4 million.

[blackbelter]

I sincerely doubt you are getting even close to the same FPS when your card is processing 8 million pixels vs 4 million.

 

I would have agreed with you if I hadn't tried it myself. Granted that I didn't do careful comparison, but if there were differences in terms of performance, they weren't detectable. Not to me at least.

[rcjonessnp175]

Depending on your gpu the performance hit isn't much with higher resolutions. It's the horrible engine depending on a gimped processor pipeline that crushes your fpS. Dcs world graphical,y is no challenge to the latest gpus. Alas the hope that dcs 2.0 fixes that is yet to be seen.

[Screamadelica]

Even using a DSR setting of just 1.5 or 1.25 seems to help with aircraft visibility without too much of a FPS hit.

[vicx]

Yeah I know this was started as a joke thread but I thought it had some truth to it. 4K is a good thing to have.

 

Still for all the hype about 4K screens I was wondering if the size of your monitor is initially more important than the resolution for enhancing your virtual eyesight in DCS ... than going straight to 4K.

 

I have this idea that needs to proven that there is a combination of monitor size and resolution which has to be tailored to the individual where you can hunt for pixels without straining your eye sight and this will give you the greatest benefit in DCS.

 

Basically you actually want big pixels so that you can see them BUT you don't want them to be too big because then you can't see enough of them at once.

 

It is an interesting thing to ponder but if you are slumming it with 24" 1080P monitor or something even far more limited how would you even know what you are missing.

 

Well I have a methodology and Nvidia DSR has helped me put it into practice because I can take perfect 4K screenshots as if I actually had a 4K monitor AND after that I can use some math and some photoshop style cropping and sampling to emulate a monitor that is different to the one you have.

 

It is What the other guy sees.

 

So my first series of pictures will be for people who have 1920x1080_24" monitors. I have taken a 4K image from DCS and cropped it to a 9x9 inch square of screen at a specific PPI so that it matches the same view you would get from a 55" 4K monitor sitting in the same spot as your own monitor. It doesn't give you the whole 55" it just gives you a 9x9 inch window of a 55" screen showing DCS just like it would look.

 

OK first image. It is an animated PNG. So if you are on Chrome you need the APNG Extension for Chome/Opera/Webkit. If you are on Safari you are cool if it's a newish version. If you are on IE ... sorry.

 

 

 

 

Second image shows fully zoomed in.

 

 

 

 

So this is only really for people with the exact size monitor 1920x1080P 24". For other monitors it won't be correct and the 9" tape will not be 9". So maybe I could learn some javascript and make a demo that shows pictures for all types of monitors.

 

So what do you think? Does it make you want a 4K monitor? I did this same thing to see what a 4K 85" looks like. It was not as impressive - it is perhaps because 55" is a sweet spot where the pixels are just the right size for DCS. This is just my opinion.

[Weltensegler]

I went 4K and don't want to go back but regarding visibility? Its almost harder now...so many more pixels and detail to look for aircrafts.

anyway DCS 1.5 is knocking lets see how the changes handle on different resolutions. Weather they give 4K users 4 pixels and HD 1 or both get one only.