DarkFire Posted September 20, 2015 Share Posted September 20, 2015 Great news, looking forwards to flying the M2000C! System Spec: Cooler Master Cosmos C700P Black Edition case. | AMD 5950X CPU | MSI RTX-3090 GPU | 32GB HyperX Predator PC4000 RAM | | TM Warthog stick & throttle | TrackIR 5 | Samsung 980 Pro NVMe 4 SSD 1TB (boot) | Samsung 870 QVO SSD 4TB (games) | Windows 10 Pro 64-bit. Personal wish list: DCS: Su-27SM & DCS: Avro Vulcan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NeilWillis Posted September 20, 2015 Share Posted September 20, 2015 In the same boat as you mate, I will wait and see how it plays out, if it has a good flight model from the start, their money is mine, if it has SFM, no thank you :) But I will not judge them or say a word about Razbam before I see their product released. I think the way this purchase lark goes is that it is you that gives them money, not the other way round. I have a feeling RAZBAM will be implementing the EFM before release. I can't see an organisation like that settling for SFM. They're not newcomers to the world of simulation, so it'd be unfair to directly compare them to the less resourceful developers. I have a feeling we'll not be disappointed with their modules if their reputation in FSX et al is anything to go by. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zeus67 Posted September 20, 2015 Share Posted September 20, 2015 It's a tiny aircraft ;) In fact, the default choice is obviously the brake chute. The hook is an option. Another option is a supplementary container for "Eclair" (the flares system), it was used during the Gulf war, I think initially it was a field mod/urgent operation mod, but later more "officially" designed. ++ Az' The standard ECM complement is 112 chaff and 16 flares. Th eclair system add another 16 flares for a grand total of 32. Be very wise using them folks, because you will run out of them really fast. By comparison the Harrier carries a minimum of 60+60 chaff & flares. "Programming today is a race between software engineers striving to build bigger and better idiot-proof programs, and the Universe trying to produce bigger and better idiots. So far, the Universe is winning." "The three most dangerous things in the world are a programmer with a soldering iron, a hardware type with a program patch and a user with an idea." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
j3ff3r Posted September 20, 2015 Share Posted September 20, 2015 Pre-purchased along with Nevada. I can't wait for this craft :) 3930K / 16Gb RAM / GTX 960 4GB / Saitek X-65F / 24" PA-Q246 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Esac_mirmidon Posted September 20, 2015 Share Posted September 20, 2015 Air refueling projected? " You must think in russian.." [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Windows 7 Home Premium-Intel 2500K OC 4.6-SSD Samsung EVO 860- MSI GTX 1080 - 16G RAM - 1920x1080 27´ Hotas Rhino X-55-MFG Crosswind Rudder Pedals -Track IR 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slipp Posted September 21, 2015 Share Posted September 21, 2015 I've been out of the loop for the past weeks and have a question. Will armat and exocet come as was said by the devs? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NeilWillis Posted September 21, 2015 Share Posted September 21, 2015 It's up in the air at present, but from other discussions, and from what the devs have said, Exocet looks like it won't be included, and ARMAT is an unknown at this stage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jojo Posted September 21, 2015 Share Posted September 21, 2015 (edited) I've been out of the loop for the past weeks and have a question. Will armat and exocet come as was said by the devs? Last statement is no for AM39 Exocet because it needs SEA radar mode not available on RDI radar. ARMAT ARM missile is still under debate... See here for short ARMAT story: http://forums.eagle.ru/showpost.php?p=2479620&postcount=18 Edited September 21, 2015 by jojo Mirage fanatic ! I7-7700K/ MSI RTX3080/ RAM 64 Go/ SSD / TM Hornet stick-Virpil WarBRD + Virpil CM3 Throttle + MFG Crosswind + Reverb G2. Flickr gallery: https://www.flickr.com/gp/71068385@N02/728Hbi Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slipp Posted September 21, 2015 Share Posted September 21, 2015 Last statement is no for AM39 Exocet because it needs SEA radar mode not available on RDI radar. ARMAT ARM missile is still under debate... See here for short ARMAT story: http://forums.eagle.ru/showpost.php?p=2479620&postcount=18 What? :-( But they've been saying for a year that their version supports it. How could they have made such a big error in their research? This makes me wonder how well the Mirage will be simulated to life if devs themselves dont know exactly what their module canand cant so. A month ago Exocet was still planned according to Zeus and now it's said that their Mirage can not handle it. Dissapointing... I was really hyped for the Exocet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RNeves Posted September 21, 2015 Share Posted September 21, 2015 Everyone is asking about the exocet... I have to admit that I didn’t know much about the mirage before buying this module, but despite that, it became obvious to me that an anti ship missile can't be launched without a ground radar, which this version doesn't have. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] "Your eyes only see what your mind is ready to comprehend" ________________________________________________________________________________________________________________ Asus Z170 Pro Gaming - Intel I7-6700K - 16GB DDR4 @ 2400MHz HyperX Savage - Strix GTX 960 DC II 2GB OC Edition - Seagate 1TB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slipp Posted September 21, 2015 Share Posted September 21, 2015 Everyone is asking about the exocet... Because developers were claiming for so long that it's going to be included... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RNeves Posted September 21, 2015 Share Posted September 21, 2015 Because developers were claiming for so long that it's going to be included... Razbam would have to implement the RDM in order to make the exocet usable... Personally, I'd prefer the implementation of the mica, which is much more important for this aircraft's role than the exocet... But that's just me ;) [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] "Your eyes only see what your mind is ready to comprehend" ________________________________________________________________________________________________________________ Asus Z170 Pro Gaming - Intel I7-6700K - 16GB DDR4 @ 2400MHz HyperX Savage - Strix GTX 960 DC II 2GB OC Edition - Seagate 1TB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sleksa Posted September 21, 2015 Share Posted September 21, 2015 Last statement is no for AM39 Exocet because it needs SEA radar mode not available on RDI radar. ARMAT ARM missile is still under debate... See here for short ARMAT story: http://forums.eagle.ru/showpost.php?p=2479620&postcount=18 I had a booksource somewhere saying the armat was cleared for use in the French airforce for mirage III, 2000, jaguar as well as atlantique patrol aircraft, I'll try to find it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slipp Posted September 21, 2015 Share Posted September 21, 2015 Razbam would have to implement the RDM in order to make the exocet usable... http://forums.eagle.ru/showpost.php?p=2313530&postcount=7 That makes me concerned about the overall quality of the RAZBAM module. If they really don't know what their plane can and cant fire, how can we be certain that they know about other systems? Are they just guessing? I don't want to get into another Hawk... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pikey Posted September 21, 2015 Share Posted September 21, 2015 Edited after I read the link. A bit confiusing from Zeus I didnt think the 2000C could carry anything else? ___________________________________________________________________________ SIMPLE SCENERY SAVING * SIMPLE GROUP SAVING * SIMPLE STATIC SAVING * Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RNeves Posted September 21, 2015 Share Posted September 21, 2015 http://forums.eagle.ru/showpost.php?p=2313530&postcount=7 That makes me concerned about the overall quality of the RAZBAM module. If they really don't know what their plane can and cant fire, how can we be certain that they know about other systems? Are they just guessing? I don't want to get into another Hawk... The question is that they told from the beginning that the module had only limited A\G capabilities (rockets, dumb bombs and buddy lasing for GBU's)... This aircraft's strongpoint is A\A... All people has to do is read this post: http://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?t=147288 It even explains why it doesn't use the Exocet [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] "Your eyes only see what your mind is ready to comprehend" ________________________________________________________________________________________________________________ Asus Z170 Pro Gaming - Intel I7-6700K - 16GB DDR4 @ 2400MHz HyperX Savage - Strix GTX 960 DC II 2GB OC Edition - Seagate 1TB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slipp Posted September 21, 2015 Share Posted September 21, 2015 The question is that they told from the beginning that the module had only limited A\G capabilities (rockets, dumb bombs and buddy lasing for GBU's)... You are factually incorrect, they repeatedly stated that Armat and Exocet are planned. Here are two examples: http://forums.eagle.ru/showpost.php?p=2313530&postcount=7 http://forums.eagle.ru/showpost.php?p=2445824&postcount=965 Doesn't matter now, they obviously made some mistakes with their researching and it looks like that they won't deliver everything they said they will. The fact is that devs claimed that their version can carry Armat and Exocet and now just before the release they're changing their words. Not a very nice thing to do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArkRoyal Posted September 21, 2015 Share Posted September 21, 2015 You are factually incorrect, they repeatedly stated that Armat and Exocet are planned. Here are two examples: http://forums.eagle.ru/showpost.php?p=2313530&postcount=7 http://forums.eagle.ru/showpost.php?p=2445824&postcount=965 Doesn't matter now, they obviously made some mistakes with their researching and it looks like that they won't deliver everything they said they will. The fact is that devs claimed that their version can carry Armat and Exocet and now just before the release they're changing their words. Not a very nice thing to do. Neither of those two things promises or even directly states that the two weapons in question would be in release. The first quote merely states that the version they are working on would be the same as a variant that COULD carry those missiles, and says nothing of whether or not they were going to do so. Second quote states that modeling the missiles is on their "to do" list, but that in no way shape or form obligates them to model that missile. Nor does it make them jerks because they changed their mind. You seriously think the Razbam is a bunch of A-holes because they decided not to model something they perhaps had the intention to at first? Whoop-de-doo. You are acting like it shipped to you with "Exocet in game" on the box only to find out its not in the game. This is not what has happened, and what did happen is not equivalent. They changed their mind for whatever reason. If you dont like what is ACTUALLY being sold, dont buy it. Criticize its omission even, but don't try to imply you were somehow swindled. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-GERAT Posted September 21, 2015 Share Posted September 21, 2015 (edited) You are factually incorrect, they repeatedly stated that Armat and Exocet are planned. Here are two examples: http://forums.eagle.ru/showpost.php?p=2313530&postcount=7 http://forums.eagle.ru/showpost.php?p=2445824&postcount=965 Doesn't matter now, they obviously made some mistakes with their researching and it looks like that they won't deliver everything they said they will. The fact is that devs claimed that their version can carry Armat and Exocet and now just before the release they're changing their words. Not a very nice thing to do. Maybe at first they aren't aiming to deliver a fully realistic simulation ( don't know how their fsx/p3d planes are ) and during the development they change ( or ED ask it ) their focus to something more realistic like the other DCS modules. In my case I prefer to get the more realistic module possible, so if they're developing the fighter version I didn't need the capability to shoot Exocets if the real plane can't launch them. Same with the Mig-21, I never used the Grom.. Edited September 21, 2015 by S-GERAT Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flagrum Posted September 21, 2015 Share Posted September 21, 2015 You are factually incorrect, they repeatedly stated that Armat and Exocet are planned. Here are two examples: http://forums.eagle.ru/showpost.php?p=2313530&postcount=7 http://forums.eagle.ru/showpost.php?p=2445824&postcount=965 Doesn't matter now, they obviously made some mistakes with their researching and it looks like that they won't deliver everything they said they will. The first link even states it: RDI - that was before they changed plans and replaced the RDI with the RDM. The fact is that devs claimed that their version can carry Armat and Exocet and now just before the release they're changing their words. Not a very nice thing to do. Plans change - especially in DCS. :D If they weren't, we would probably end up with a bunch of ... nothing - as such modules probably would become technically and economically quickly completely insupportable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slipp Posted September 21, 2015 Share Posted September 21, 2015 . At this point I'll quote Sithspawn. ":doh:" You read too much into it, drink some kool-aid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ED Team NineLine Posted September 21, 2015 ED Team Share Posted September 21, 2015 Actually that should cover the last couple pages of this thread at this point, knock it off guys, play nice, and leave it to RAZBAM to answer questions please. Forum Rules • My YouTube • My Discord - NineLine#0440• **How to Report a Bug** Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hannibal Posted September 21, 2015 Share Posted September 21, 2015 I PRE ORDERED THIS M2000C PUPPY... LOOKING FORWARD TO RELEASE! find me on steam! username: Hannibal_A101A http://steamcommunity.com/profiles/76561197969447179 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mattebubben Posted September 21, 2015 Share Posted September 21, 2015 The standard ECM complement is 112 chaff and 16 flares. Th eclair system add another 16 flares for a grand total of 32. Be very wise using them folks, because you will run out of them really fast. By comparison the Harrier carries a minimum of 60+60 chaff & flares. well then il have to rebind my buttons for chaff / flare it seems =P since i wont be able to have them both for the same button xD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Regamuffin Posted September 21, 2015 Share Posted September 21, 2015 i dont suppose anyone knows how long the pre-purchase period is? cheers Reg:pilotfly: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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