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How many modules are you REALLY proficient at?  

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  1. 1. How many modules are you REALLY proficient at?

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Aginor

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Personally for me Proficient means to be able to finish all single player missions or Campaigns in a module :

a. Without Helps of any form, cheats, active pause, or unlimited anything

b. without labels

c. without exterior views of any enemy either ground or air

d. without access to F10 map

 

In other words making it as real as possible.

So i am only proficient at A10C and Hawk. Just making it for F86.

 

 

To me that's a pretty good definition.

Startup, system use including radio communication and navigation, use of all implemented weapons and normal procedures is the bare minimum.

I'd add emergency procedures like MRFCS in the A-10C, auto-rotation landings and sling loads in the Huey, air start of engines, aerial refueling and so on.

 

Based on that I'd say for me it is:

- A-10C

- MiG-21 (minus the A-bombs, I don't use them)

- Huey

 

The rest is meh. Of course I can fly the FC3 planes, but there isn't much to it. I am a bit proud that I can start up, take off and land all planes I own (all there are at the moment) without a check list. But I wouldn't really call me "proficient" with all of those.

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GaryIKILLYOU

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To me that's a pretty good definition.

Startup, system use including radio communication and navigation, use of all implemented weapons and normal procedures is the bare minimum.

I'd add emergency procedures like MRFCS in the A-10C, auto-rotation landings and sling loads in the Huey, air start of engines, aerial refueling and so on.

 

Based on that I'd say for me it is:

- A-10C

- MiG-21 (minus the A-bombs, I don't use them)

- Huey

 

The rest is meh. Of course I can fly the FC3 planes, but there isn't much to it. I am a bit proud that I can start up, take off and land all planes I own (all there are at the moment) without a check list. But I wouldn't really call me "proficient" with all of those.

 

Same as this minus the Huey. (I'm not a chopper guy)

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Griffon26

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none :idiot:

 

But going to train much harder when 1.5 Comes out! :weight_lift_2:

 

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AtaliaA1

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Personally for me Proficient means to be able to finish all single player missions or Campaigns in a module :

a. Without Helps of any form, cheats, active pause, or unlimited anything

b. without labels

c. without exterior views of any enemy either ground or air

d. without access to F10 map

 

In other words making it as real as possible.

So i am only proficient at A10C and Hawk. Just making it for F86.

 

 

That is a perfect example of the "Relativity of Proficiency".

 

The person described in your analogy has a "Proficiency Level" of Professional. Not "Novice" nor "Expert" but a level lower than "Ace".

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Skjold

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Well i know these planes by heart, and is very confident in using them in combat PVP or PVE.

 

Mi-8MTV

MiG-21Bis

F-15C

Su-27

Su-33 (Waiting for PFM however)

MiG-29 (Ditto)

Su-25T

 

So not that many full blown modules :-)

BeachAV8R

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This is an interesting poll..as well, interesting responses based on people judging what "proficiency" means. In my real world job..I'm "proficient" in two aircraft (King Air 200 and Citation). I've had other jobs where I've flown up to five aircraft types simultaneously (King Air 200, 300, Citation II, CitationJet, Citation V) and I would say I was not proficient in any of them. By that I mean, I couldn't tell you all of the memory items for each or limitations with any real accuracy. Even with flying just two different aircraft (though vastly different), I'll occasionally mix up a King Air question on the oral exam with a Citation answer.

 

Given that some of these aircraft modeled by DCS are way more complex than the aircraft I fly in real life, due to the additional requirements of knowing weapons systems and limitations, I would guess that most sim pilots would probably be "proficient" in at most one aircraft, and probably not to the point a real pilot would be. You basically would need to know ALL of the memory items from...err..memory, all of the limitations (do you know what kind of hydraulic fluid your DCS aircraft uses?, what is the turbulent air penetration speed, what is the maximum operating altitude, what is the maximum cabin differential, what are the tire operating pressures and speeds?..etc..etc..), all of the weapons parameters and safety procedures, and many of the aircraft servicing facts (can you use Jet A? B? Can you use AVGas in a pinch (we can in the Citation!))...

 

Then there are the mind numbing items that most sim pilots never even consider. Can you shoot a partial panel instrument approach to minimums? Do you know where in the aircraft flight manual that you can find net climb gradient. Are your takeoff and landing data predicated on accelerate stop or accelerate go? Are those numbers even published for your aircraft? Is there a minimum icing speed? Maximum icing speed? What is the max ramp weight of your aircraft? Max zero fuel weight? What is the wing fuel load imbalance limitation? Etc..etc..etc..

 

Now all of that isn't to say that someone like Harrison Ford can't get into any one of his fleet of aircraft and fly it just fine and safely..but they lean heavily on experience and probably a bit of a "not getting caught up in the finer details" type of approach. Which works well enough for casual flying. But if I'm flying over guys that will cut my head off when I go down..uh..I'm gonna study that aircraft down to the finest detail, since my life actually DOES depend on it.

 

So to answer the question - I'm proficient in NONE of the DCS modules. I can fly some of them..and bungle my way through, but I would not call myself proficient at any of them.

 

Fun topic!

 

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msalama

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The Huey nowadays - well for the most part anyway - but I used to be proficient in the Shark & the Hog as well. Haven't flown those in ages though, so I don't really remember anything about them anymore...

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OnlyforDCS

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Really, really? None...

 

Which is why I went ahead and preordered the L39 trainer....Need to learn to walk before I can run.... ;)

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BeachAV8R

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Which is why I went ahead and preordered the L39 trainer....Need to learn to walk before I can run....

 

I think the trainers (L-39, Hawk, C-101) can and will add a lot to the DCS experience. As a CFII, teaching was a lot of fun for me and it is pretty cool to get to witness someone's transition from knowing next to nothing to "getting it"..or not getting it as sometimes happened. <g> It was always interesting. I think people would be surprised how much fun it will be to be multi-crew in trainers in DCS with an experienced pilot taking a newb through the process. It adds a whole new element, or at least expands on the training element and can give seasoned players a new outlet for their DCS fix.

 

Personally, I'm a bit over playing missions where I drop 40 bombs on tanks and am more interested in the social aspect of the sim and playing more precise and well briefed missions (some of which don't even result in destroying anything). Anyway..OT..so sorry about that.

 

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rajdary

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Good Point BeachAV8R, in your context of proficient then i am proficient at 0 modules.

So its true we actually should discuss what would be the average proficient meaning:cry:

 

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giei

giei

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109, 190, p51, f86, mig15 = A++

Mig 21 = A-

A10, Huey = B

Mi8, KA50 = C+

F-15C, Su-27, Su-33, MiG-29, Su-25T = not interested due to lack of features

101, Hawk = IMHO not playable ATM

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BeachAV8R

BeachAV8R

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So its true we actually should discuss what would be the average proficient meaning:cry:

 

LOL..I'm just making angels dance on a pinhead with my comments. It's always fun to look at the differences between the sims we fly, how we think (as simmers) the sims we fly are relative to reality, and how the reality really is (that sounds like a Yogi Berra sentence..)..

 

In terms of the poll..I think it is safe to say people are responding about what platforms they feel they are "effective" at flying and fighting in the sim. For me, that answer is different than whether I'm proficient...

 

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kontiuka

kontiuka

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Good Point BeachAV8R, in your context of proficient then i am proficient at 0 modules.

So its true we actually should discuss what would be the average proficient meaning:cry:

We shouldn't be talking about real life flying ability here. Otherwise, this would be a pointless poll as most people would have a big fat zero. Or negative, if that's possible. The question is how many "modules", not how many real life aircraft.
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ka50 9/10

a10 9/10

me109 9/10

fw190 8/10

p51 6/10

uh1 3/10

CA 3/10

 

FC3 2/10 (though i dont count fc3 as a Module) (probably 4/10 ... shot some planes down in f15/su27 and expended some misssiles in the frogfoot)

 

10 God of the module (1000h +)

5 able to fly every mission and operate systems according to (50-100h)

3 able to startup takeoff navigate and land ... accomplish minor tasks (5-20h)

 

how i would judge it :smartass:

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BeachAV8R

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We shouldn't be talking about real life flying ability here. Otherwise, this would be a pointless poll as most people would have a big fat zero. Or negative, if that's possible. The question is how many "modules", not how many real life aircraft.

 

Don't the modules simulate nearly all aspects of the real life aircraft though? I'm just pointing out that a lot of us game the game and it gives a unrealistic self analysis of our performance. For instance - there are probably people out there that can dogfight the heck out of the F-15 and win every engagement, but if on return to the airfield they have to shoot an ILS to minimums..they might not be able to. So how proficient is that person?

 

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msalama

msalama

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So how proficient is that person?
If they can't do a real-life ILS landing at minimums? Not very, I'd say. But are we talking about RL proficiency here?

 

Now I think I'm a kind of a mack man as it comes to our Huey - well at least I can fly the arse off that bird by now. Comes to RL however? I could probably start the bugger OK, even possibly _fly_ her after having accustomed myself to the (probably) huge difference in how the controls feel, but after that? I've no idea how the RL ATC works, I've no clue as regards to all the lading & CoG BS you absolutely have to take care of if flying a real AC, I've not the foggiest as it comes to the dreaded red tape everyone has to follow in RL aviation. So am I proficient? No fookin' way.

 

So "game the game" or not, RL aviation is a different kettle of fish altogether. No news to you RL aviators of course, but still...

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msalama

msalama

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So to put it shortly: I could possibly fly per se, but to fly within the regulations and actually understand aviation as a whole - and as a process - AND to fly safely in all circumstances and weather states? No effin' way.

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BeachAV8R

BeachAV8R

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So "game the game" or not, RL aviation is a different kettle of fish altogether. No news to you RL aviators of course, but still...

 

Right. There have been times I've gotten out of my airplane with my knee shaking a little bit from a particularly bad combination of bad weather and poor decisions (LOL)..but I've never really had that happen in a sim. I *have* had that dull ache in my shoulders from tension and hands on the stick and throttle for long periods though - so that could be consider synonymous.

 

Like I said - being able to game the game is one thing (ie - effectively use the weapons and complete the mission), but it isn't beyond the scope of the simulator to use real world flying techniques (proper formations, tactics, approach and landing procedures) to ramp up the difficult toward more realistic parameters. So the scope of the term proficiency with regards to the "modules" can be extremely varied.

 

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