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[refugee]

Thx Dude ;)

[Crunchy]

http://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?t=147040

 

Was this video shot using 1.5? Not sure what rig those Russians have got but I did notice micro stuttering in their video. Matt's videos seem to appear very smooth though and I haven't seen him crashing to desktop either. Maybe it's instability in the menus or something, but who cares about that when it's a beta.

[Nirvi]

Was this video shot using 1.5? Not sure what rig those Russians have got but I did notice micro stuttering in their video. Matt's videos seem to appear very smooth though and I haven't seen him crashing to desktop either. Maybe it's instability in the menus or something, but who cares about that when it's a beta.

 

Yes that's 1.5

They had a problem with the video decoder in the stream. So not a 1.5 problem.

http://forums.eagle.ru/showpost.php?p=2472316&postcount=6

[Crunchy]

Yes that's 1.5

They had a problem with the video decoder in the stream. So not a 1.5 problem.

http://forums.eagle.ru/showpost.php?p=2472316&postcount=6

 

Well that's a relief, it was looking like what DCS plays like right now. Thanks for explaining this, it had me worried for a sec thinking I'd need a mega computer to play DCS 1.5.

[OnlyforDCS]

5 sleeps left...;)

[refugee]

5 sleeps left...;)

 

Dream on ;)

[Manuel_108]

I find it hillarious that some people are so optimistic and thought that ED would seriously release 1.5 in September. It's obvious that the bug fixing always takes 4 times as long, with no exeption.

[S-GERAT]

One thing I don't understand about the ED policies is the use of the beta branch like if it was the normal one. Actually we have a normal very close to the beta one, and from my point of view that should be totally different.

 

I didn't remember when was the last time I used the normal version, that's because the beta version is very very stable. In other games, the betas have a lot more content that the normal versions, because that's the point, to test and find bugs in order to fix them in the normal version.

 

What can happen if ED release 1.5 in the beta branch with the actual state ? If it runs mainly well we can enjoy it and report bugs, and if it runs bad or have breaking bugs that not allow to play to some people we simply can run the normal version and continue flying like nothing happens.

 

I think this is better to get another delay.. they simply can warning about it is not ready yet and that we need to deal with some bugs, and we simply can decide what to do. Because is very frustrating ( sure for ED too ) to get delay after delay through years..

[sobek]

What can happen if ED release 1.5 in the beta branch with the actual state ?

 

It could put customers off. If 1.5 doesn't satisfy the high expectations that the community has, it might turn many people away. Additionally, as long as the internal testers find enough bugs to keep the devs task saturated, there is no benefit from hassling users with the existing bugs.

[S-GERAT]

It could put customers off. If 1.5 doesn't satisfy the high expectations that the community has, it might turn many people away. Additionally, as long as the internal testers find enough bugs to keep the devs task saturated, there is no benefit from hassling users with the existing bugs.

 

IMHO there isn't any alternative to DCS World, so for much we complain it doesn't matter, nobody is going anywhere to play with another sim. At least most part of the people who post here owns or have preordered all the modules, and in my particular case, if I'm not playing DCS I'm on other games, but not another sims, because the only about military is this one, and even with Prepar3d I prefer to take a ride with any plane on DCS because the flight models..

 

And about hassling users with the bugs, who cares ? is a beta, a lot of developers do it with their games, and the people don't care, because that's why the betas are for.. if somebody found the beta without the sufficient level to be playable it ever can play with the normal version.

 

That's my opinion, a opinion of a man who is desperate to get the 1.5.. :joystick: :megalol:

[refugee]

What can happen if ED release 1.5 in the beta branch with the actual state ?

 

IT WILL CAUSE QUANTUM SINGULARITY XD

[S-GERAT]

IT WILL CAUSE QUANTUM SINGULARITY XD

 

Don't know if it is going to happen, but for sure more of us are going to fall of the chair when found the release notice. :lol:

[OnlyforDCS]

It could put customers off. If 1.5 doesn't satisfy the high expectations that the community has, it might turn many people away. Additionally, as long as the internal testers find enough bugs to keep the devs task saturated, there is no benefit from hassling users with the existing bugs.

 

If this is indeed their policy then they should not have a separate open beta test install client.

[sobek]

If this is indeed their policy then they should not have a separate open beta test install client.

 

Why not? When 1.5 is released, people will still find bugs, most likely more than should be in a release version. All the while, people who want a stable version can stay on 1.2.xx

[OnlyforDCS]

Why not? When 1.5 is released, people will still find bugs, most likely more than should be in a release version. All the while, people who want a stable version can stay on 1.2.xx

 

We are in agreement here. However I feel that most users are aware of what a "beta" moniker means and what it entails. I also feel that missing another release estimate that is tied to a paid module release (The L39) would hurt ED's reputation far more than releasing an unstable open beta, on an open beta test client.

 

Please don't misunderstand me, I am working with incomplete data and can't determine the severity and nature of the remaining bugs unlike the closed beta testers. However I feel a lot of the time that the community unfairly gets the blame for "demanding" release dates, estimates, etc. when it is ED who set these estimates on their product information pages for preorders (for e.g. L39). I am a 'glass half-full' kind of guy, and don't mind ED missing their estimates much but I also feel that they are also way too much in the 'glass half-full' zone with their optimistic estimates and that this ends up hurting them and erodes the trust that their customers place in them.

[Rykane]

One thing I don't understand about the ED policies is the use of the beta branch like if it was the normal one. Actually we have a normal very close to the beta one, and from my point of view that should be totally different.

 

I didn't remember when was the last time I used the normal version, that's because the beta version is very very stable. In other games, the betas have a lot more content that the normal versions, because that's the point, to test and find bugs in order to fix them in the normal version.

 

What can happen if ED release 1.5 in the beta branch with the actual state ? If it runs mainly well we can enjoy it and report bugs, and if it runs bad or have breaking bugs that not allow to play to some people we simply can run the normal version and continue flying like nothing happens.

 

I think this is better to get another delay.. they simply can warning about it is not ready yet and that we need to deal with some bugs, and we simply can decide what to do. Because is very frustrating ( sure for ED too ) to get delay after delay through years..

 

I do agree with this. I don't see how having hundreds or even thousands of free testers trying out the open beta builds would be a bad thing. From seeing how many other development studios do alphas/betas, they actually release buggy or unfinished content and let users test it and willing testers will report back with a bug report. I am willing to do this and I'm sure there are many of us out there that are.

 

I do however see why they are putting the 1.5 release out on the open beta branch, as they want to release the software at a relatively stable state but also not release it fully as they are still working on it so it's a sort of tricky situation. We'll just have to wait and see.

Edited September 25, 2015 by Rykane

[lanmancz]

If this again leads to yet another blunder it would be, to put it mildly, very unprofessional.

Edited September 25, 2015 by lanmancz

[sobek]

I don't see how having hundreds or even thousands of free testers trying out the open beta builds would be a bad thing.

 

Well for one thing, it puts a lot of additional work on the hands of the testers that need to sieve through possibly already reported bugs. Then as i said, if the devs are task saturated, they won't start fixing bugs faster just because there's more people fixing them.

 

In the end, this is all highly hypothetical, it's up to ED to decide in what state and when they want to release an open beta.

[lanmancz]

it's up to ED to decide in what state and when they want to release an open beta.

 

Not anymore. Now a release of a product that has already been put on sale and that many people already ordered is dependent on this release. It clearly states on the store page "will be available in September 2015". That is the primary reason why another delay would be highly unprofessional.

[Crunchy]

I find it hillarious that some people are so optimistic and thought that ED would seriously release 1.5 in September. It's obvious that the bug fixing always takes 4 times as long, with no exeption.

 

Well it was going to be released last December if I remember correctly, so it's already been four times as long :D

[EagleEye]

IMHO there isn't any alternative to DCS World, so for much we complain it doesn't matter, nobody is going anywhere to play with another sim. At least most part of the people who post here owns or have preordered all the modules, and in my particular case, if I'm not playing DCS I'm on other games, but not another sims, because the only about military is this one, and even with Prepar3d I prefer to take a ride with any plane on DCS because the flight models..

This is what I have on my mind to. :thumbup:

[refugee]

Not anymore. Now a release of a product that has already been put on sale and that many people already ordered is dependent on this release. It clearly states on the store page "will be available in September 2015". That is the primary reason why another delay would be highly unprofessional.

 

So naive...

[NineLine]

Not anymore. Now a release of a product that has already been put on sale and that many people already ordered is dependent on this release. It clearly states on the store page "will be available in September 2015". That is the primary reason why another delay would be highly unprofessional.

 

Unfortunately the L-39 is dependant on 1.5, and 1.5 is an incredibly large change to DCS. The core of the game is changing, they are going to a unified exe, a new graphics engine, and on and on, its potential for so many issues, then they have to prepare a seamless update to the current sim.

 

Calling ED highly unprofessional if they miss September by a little bit is highly unfair, I am not sure if comments like this are serious or if they are meant to try and guilt ED into releasing something on time, but unplayable or unstable. I mean I shouldn't be surprised I guess, the FW-190 was what, 24 hours late due to an installer issue and some people gathered up their torches and pitch forks...

 

This release for ED, aside from the L-39 is a huge leap forward in our sim, I cant see how anyone can blame them for wanting to get it atleast to a stable state before even an Open Beta release. And honestly if ED does miss on the September date, nobody will be more upset with them, than them, they pride themselves in the dates they put on the Press Releases, and they expect nothing less of themselves in meeting them, if they do miss, they will beating themselves up plenty already, I am not planning on piling on.

[lanmancz]

Unfortunately the L-39 is dependant on 1.5, and 1.5 is an incredibly large change to DCS. The core of the game is changing, they are going to a unified exe, a new graphics engine, and on and on, its potential for so many issues, then they have to prepare a seamless update to the current sim.

 

Calling ED highly unprofessional if they miss September by a little bit is highly unfair, I am not sure if comments like this are serious or if they are meant to try and guilt ED into releasing something on time, but unplayable or unstable. I mean I shouldn't be surprised I guess, the FW-190 was what, 24 hours late due to an installer issue and some people gathered up their torches and pitch forks...

 

This release for ED, aside from the L-39 is a huge leap forward in our sim, I cant see how anyone can blame them for wanting to get it atleast to a stable state before even an Open Beta release. And honestly if ED does miss on the September date, nobody will be more upset with them, than them, they pride themselves in the dates they put on the Press Releases, and they expect nothing less of themselves in meeting them, if they do miss, they will beating themselves up plenty already, I am not planning on piling on.

 

I'm sorry to be so blunt but I no longer accept this. I heard this all before. The difference is that now actual product that customers paid for is dependent on this. No matter which way you look at it missing deadlines is unprofessional. So unless you want to start discussing the status of project management at ED I suggest we wait and see. I don't really want to go further into my thought on this matter as I don't want to be banned from here.

[refugee]

We can give you that 24 hours ;)