Pikey Posted September 21, 2015 Posted September 21, 2015 We woud love this, it's really annoying learning aircraft together and having to disconnect, relog to a quickstart in SP, make a keybind change and then relog to MP. Signed -=42VFG=- kthx ___________________________________________________________________________ SIMPLE SCENERY SAVING * SIMPLE GROUP SAVING * SIMPLE STATIC SAVING *
Jacks Posted September 21, 2015 Posted September 21, 2015 +1. Being able to edit key binding in multiplayer is a must for me. System Specs: i7 8700k @ 5.0GHz (not delidded), ASRock Extreme4 Z370 MOBO, EVGA GTX 1080 SC 8GB, 32GB Corsair Vengeance LPX 3200MHz DDR4 RAM, Samsung Evo 240GB SSD, Samsung Evo 500GB SSD, 1TB HDD, Noctura NH-D15S Heat Sink, Acer VE278H 27" 1080p Monitor, Ocukus Rift CV1. Controllers: TrackIR 5, Thrustmaster HOTAS X, Saitek Throttle Quadrant (with DIY removable collective mod), Saitek Pro Flight Rudder Pedals. Just trying to keep my number of takeoffs and landings equal!
QuiGon Posted September 21, 2015 Posted September 21, 2015 I thought that will be one of the features of DCS World 2 (or 1.5), or am I wrong? The unified .exe should provide us this feature. Intel i7-12700K @ 8x5GHz+4x3.8GHz + 32 GB DDR5 RAM + Nvidia Geforce RTX 2080 (8 GB VRAM) + M.2 SSD + Windows 10 64Bit DCS Panavia Tornado (IDS) really needs to be a thing!
Pikey Posted September 21, 2015 Author Posted September 21, 2015 Hope so! If you see a confirmation around I'd love the reassurance, it means we can all sit on the pan and learn the Mirage together at once with out the MP-SP dance! ___________________________________________________________________________ SIMPLE SCENERY SAVING * SIMPLE GROUP SAVING * SIMPLE STATIC SAVING *
lanmancz Posted September 21, 2015 Posted September 21, 2015 I thought that will be one of the features of DCS World 2 (or 1.5), or am I wrong? The unified .exe should provide us this feature. Unfortunately no. Wags mentioned in one of his recent videos that the main problem is that changing the key binding requires a simulation to be paused which is a problem in multiplayer for obvious reasons. Although I still think it would be nice if they added this feature as a server option ("allow clients to pause the simulation" checkbox when creating server or something like that). This would be probably disabled on large public servers but when I'm flying on my private server with my friends I would enable it for sure so anyone can change their keys if they need to. So yeah, +1 from me, I'd like to see this feature implemented. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Gigabyte Aorus Z390 Elite, Intel i9 9900K, Fractal Design Kelvin S36, Zotac GTX 1070 8GB AMP Extreme, 32GB DDR4 HyperX CL15 Predator Series @ 3000 MHz, Kingston SSD 240GB (OS), Samsung 970 EVO 1TB M.2 NVMe (sim), Fractal Design Define R5 Black Window, EVGA SuperNOVA 750 G2, Win 10 Home x64, Thrustmaster Warthog HOTAS, Saitek Pro Flight Rudder Pedals, Thrustmaster MFD Cougar Pack, TrackIR (DelanClip), 3x 27" BenQ EW2740L, Oculus Rift S
QuiGon Posted September 21, 2015 Posted September 21, 2015 I just did a quick search on the forums, but I couldn't find anything about it. So, what I said might be wrong and my memory is messing with me :( Unfortunately no. Wags mentioned in one of his recent videos that the main problem is that changing the key binding requires a simulation to be paused which is a problem in multiplayer for obvious reasons. Although I still think it would be nice if they added this feature as a server option ("allow clients to pause the simulation" checkbox when creating server or something like that). This would be probably disabled on large public servers but when I'm flying on my private server with my friends I would enable it for sure so anyone can change their keys if they need to. So yeah, +1 from me, I'd like to see this feature implemented. I'm curious, why does the game needs to be paused to change controls? Intel i7-12700K @ 8x5GHz+4x3.8GHz + 32 GB DDR5 RAM + Nvidia Geforce RTX 2080 (8 GB VRAM) + M.2 SSD + Windows 10 64Bit DCS Panavia Tornado (IDS) really needs to be a thing!
lanmancz Posted September 21, 2015 Posted September 21, 2015 (edited) I'm curious, why does the game needs to be paused to change controls? I don't know the technical details, but Wags mentioned this in one of his recent Q&A videos. Not sure which one of them exactly was it though. But everything is subject to change, says it right in his sig so I hope they figure it out. Edited September 21, 2015 by lanmancz [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Gigabyte Aorus Z390 Elite, Intel i9 9900K, Fractal Design Kelvin S36, Zotac GTX 1070 8GB AMP Extreme, 32GB DDR4 HyperX CL15 Predator Series @ 3000 MHz, Kingston SSD 240GB (OS), Samsung 970 EVO 1TB M.2 NVMe (sim), Fractal Design Define R5 Black Window, EVGA SuperNOVA 750 G2, Win 10 Home x64, Thrustmaster Warthog HOTAS, Saitek Pro Flight Rudder Pedals, Thrustmaster MFD Cougar Pack, TrackIR (DelanClip), 3x 27" BenQ EW2740L, Oculus Rift S
T_A Posted September 21, 2015 Posted September 21, 2015 So annoying , you sometimes need a key you didn't remember to bind after installing a new module (or doing a fresh windows/PC install). not to mention just forgetting the keybinding for something. IAF.Tomer My Rig: Core i7 6700K + Corsair Hydro H100i GTX Gigabyte Z170X Gaming 7,G.Skill 32GB DDR4 3000Mhz Gigabyte GTX 980 OC Samsung 840EVO 250GB + 3xCrucial 275GB in RAID 0 (1500 MB/s) Asus MG279Q | TM Warthog + Saitek Combat Pedals + TrackIR 5 [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]
Abburo Posted September 21, 2015 Posted September 21, 2015 You were not here when this was not possible even in single player :D. But yes, this is a very good feature to have. 1 Romanian Community for DCS World HW Specs: AMD 7900X, 64GB RAM, RTX 4090, HOTAS Virpil, MFG, CLS-E, custom
EagleEye Posted September 21, 2015 Posted September 21, 2015 +1 (normally it's a must have feature, in my eyes) Deutsche DCS-Flughandbücher SYSSpecs: i7-4790K @4GHz|GA-Z97X-SLI|16GB RAM|ASUS GTX1070|Win10 64bit|TrackIR5|TM Warthog/Saitek Pro Pedals
Devrim Posted September 21, 2015 Posted September 21, 2015 At least, the game should allow us to "see" current controls... :\ Intel i7-14700@5.6GHz | MSI RTX4080 SuperSuprimX | Corsair V. 64GB@6400MHz. | Samsung 1TB 990 PRO SSD (Win10Homex64) Samsung G5 32" + Samsung 18" + 2x8"TFT Displays | TM Warthog Stick w/AVA Base | VPC MongoosT-50CM3 Throttle | TM MFD Cougars | Logitech G13, G230, G510, PZ55 & Farming Sim Panel | TIR5 & M.Quest3 VR >>MY MODS<< | Discord: Devrim#1068
Deezle Posted September 21, 2015 Posted September 21, 2015 I'm curious, why does the game needs to be paused to change controls? He said it has something to do with the code, which to me sounds like it's something buried pretty deep and would require a lot of work to change. Intel 9600K@4.7GHz, Asus Z390, 64GB DDR4, EVGA RTX 3070, Custom Water Cooling, 970 EVO 1TB NVMe 34" UltraWide 3440x1440 Curved Monitor, 21" Touch Screen MFD monitor, TIR5 My Pit Build, Moza AB9 FFB w/WH Grip, TMWH Throttle, MFG Crosswinds W/Combat Pedals/Damper, Custom A-10C panels, Custom Helo Collective, SimShaker with Transducer
Uther Posted September 21, 2015 Posted September 21, 2015 I would love this feature. i5 4690k / MSI Gaming 5 / 2 x 8 GB Crucial Ballistix ram / Zotac AMP! 980Ti / 2 x 250 SSDs Flight Controls:Virpil VPC MoogoosT-50 / MFG Crosswinds / GVL Throttle / Oculus Rift CV1
AJaromir Posted September 21, 2015 Posted September 21, 2015 Oh, ED, please, add at least this feature because that is really annoying.
Buzzles Posted September 21, 2015 Posted September 21, 2015 Oh, ED, please, add at least this feature because that is really annoying. It's not really that annoying if you're honest about how often you actually need to edit your keybinds. I generally find once I've been using a module in a SP a dozen or so times and have practiced with the common systems then I don't really go back and change keys frequently. It's only initially there's a lot of back and forth. Out of all the features I'd like to see added or improved, being able to alter keybinds in multiplayer is right down the bottom of the list. Nice to have, but there's much more important things for ED to spend time on imo. Fancy trying Star Citizen? Click here!
luckyhendrix Posted September 22, 2015 Posted September 22, 2015 It's not really that annoying if you're honest about how often you actually need to edit your keybinds. I generally find once I've been using a module in a SP a dozen or so times and have practiced with the common systems then I don't really go back and change keys frequently. It's only initially there's a lot of back and forth. Out of all the features I'd like to see added or improved, being able to alter keybinds in multiplayer is right down the bottom of the list. Nice to have, but there's much more important things for ED to spend time on imo. Maybe it is not annoying for you because of the way you play. But I often teach less proficient friends on new aircrafts in MP. And often they realize midsession that they forgot to assign some important function to their joystick. Then it is really annoying :/ I would have really hoped this would come with the unified .exe, really it feels like something that should always have been there.
average_pilot Posted September 22, 2015 Posted September 22, 2015 I'm trying to hook one of my brothers into DCS and in the last try he refused to configure controls properly because he had to go to single player, etc. It would have been great to conduct him to bind controls on the ramp.
NeilWillis Posted September 22, 2015 Posted September 22, 2015 I personally feel that it ought to be up to individuals to get their key bindings right BEFORE going on multiplayer. Can you really see there being an advantage to anyone just pausing the whole mission so they can set up a forgotten key binding? What an incredible immersion killer for everyone! I can just hear the howls of protest within minutes of this facility being added. Unless key bindings could be altered with the simulation running, then it is a deal breaker, and shouldn't be considered. Pausing your own mission to change stuff is fine, but expecting everyone else to sit there frozen in time while you get your act together is simply not an option.
NeilWillis Posted September 22, 2015 Posted September 22, 2015 I'm trying to hook one of my brothers into DCS and in the last try he refused to configure controls properly because he had to go to single player, etc. It would have been great to conduct him to bind controls on the ramp. Why not just send him your config file and give him a leg up that way?
average_pilot Posted September 23, 2015 Posted September 23, 2015 I personally feel that it ought to be up to individuals to get their key bindings right BEFORE going on multiplayer. Can you really see there being an advantage to anyone just pausing the whole mission so they can set up a forgotten key binding? What an incredible immersion killer for everyone! I can just hear the howls of protest within minutes of this facility being added. Unless key bindings could be altered with the simulation running, then it is a deal breaker, and shouldn't be considered. Pausing your own mission to change stuff is fine, but expecting everyone else to sit there frozen in time while you get your act together is simply not an option.What a manipulation of the topic. Do you work in TV debates? :doh: 1
luckyhendrix Posted September 23, 2015 Posted September 23, 2015 and really that "the simulation must be paused"argument seems a bit weird. The simulation could always be paused localy to the player rather than the whole server. I mean most other games/simulations don't seem to have a problem with that ... The way DCS is coded must be quite quirky if this is that hard to do.
NeilWillis Posted September 23, 2015 Posted September 23, 2015 What a manipulation of the topic. Do you work in TV debates? :doh: No, but if the technology precludes the original request then it is a perfectly valid and pertinent point, don't you agree? The technical reason we can't have multiplayer key mapping changes is down to the fact that unless the game is paused, you cannot make the key changes. Therefore, unless you elect to include an option to make key changes by pausing all the play for everyone in multiplayer, then you can't have multiplayer key mapping. Which would you prefer? To disrupt multiplayer missions by pausing whenever someone decides he needs to re-map mid game, or to put this one on the back burner? How my friend, is that not relevant to the discussion? I think you simply missed the point that was made by Wags didn't you.
159th_Falcon Posted September 23, 2015 Posted September 23, 2015 What i don't get is, WHY you have to pause the game to change the keybindings? Just let it run, if you crash your fault for setting up keys while flying. Really i don't see why multiplayer has to prevent anyone from changing keybindings. DCS is the only game i know of for who it is a problem and i cant see why, pausing the whole server is not needed. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] The keeper of all mathematical knowledge and the oracle of flight modeling.:)
average_pilot Posted September 23, 2015 Posted September 23, 2015 (edited) No, but if the technology precludes the original request then it is a perfectly valid and pertinent point, don't you agree? The technical reason we can't have multiplayer key mapping changes is down to the fact that unless the game is paused, you cannot make the key changes. Therefore, unless you elect to include an option to make key changes by pausing all the play for everyone in multiplayer, then you can't have multiplayer key mapping. Which would you prefer? To disrupt multiplayer missions by pausing whenever someone decides he needs to re-map mid game, or to put this one on the back burner? How my friend, is that not relevant to the discussion? I think you simply missed the point that was made by Wags didn't you.Now my mind is a mess with all this salesman dirty tricks. I'm not going to buy any encyclopedia! Edited September 23, 2015 by average_pilot
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