future of DCS World?

[EliteKatze]

Hey guys, so in some months DCS World 2 should be released, which hopefully brings better performance (more than 2 threads/cores support) to the table and better textures, more planes, etc. But personally I don't think that this game realy has a future. I am happy that they fixed the constant crashes many weeks ago, but there are many other ''issues''. It is a fact, that this game is mostly played by people, who just wanna have fun cruising around or doing simple missions, so basically the game kinda needs those people besides the ''pros'', who take this more seriously, it doesnt realy matter how good you are or so. The problem is, that pretty much no people go come into this game and genre, so the producers of this game wont get much financial support from people who are spending some high amounts of money on planes, besides that its a complete rip off, that you can only use a key 10 times and need to spend 50€ on a plane too. This game is kinda too unbalanced too, with the upcoming DCS 2.0 update, some planes are gonna get obsolete. Let's take the F18, its a capable ground attack and air superiority fighter that can land on carriers too, its basically gonna make the A10C mostly obsolete, because it can be used against air targets and in general its much faster expecially with afterburner. They only case where the A10 might be more useful is when the target area isnt too far away and the ground targets dont contain SAMs or something like that. I mean seriously, most of the dlcs will also be barrely bought, because they're too expensive with 50€ per plane. As far as I know they're only gonna add american planes, no russian ones, isnt that kinda unbalanced when you wanna have a decently realistic scenario where its US vs. RU? I think they should add at least the su34 ground attack plane cuz it can at least use laserguided munition like the F18, A10, F15E, etc.

 

I am not hating this game or anything, thats just my opinion.

 

Also, why the heck does the p51 cost 27€ and the bf109 and fw190 45€? Are they realy gonna add the F15E with the release and are they gonna add CFT (conformal fuel tank) support for the F15C too, cuz as far as I know its also capable of having one on each engine's outer wall.

 

What are your opinions, guys?

 

 

(sorry for english)

Edited October 25, 2015 by BIGNEWY
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[sobek]

There's so many misconceptions in your post, i literally don't know where to begin.

 

Like for starters, you should really read the description of the DRM again, because the way that you describe it is not how it works.

 

Then there's the concept of 'balance'. There is no such thing as balanced airframes, balanced forces, balance of whatever. The reason why no modern russian airframes are being simulated is because the threshold in russia for being charged with espionage is set comparatively low. And the Su-34 is way too new for a simulation of DCS level being remotely possible.

 

If you think the F-18 is a substitute for the A-10C, then you don't understand either

planes' roles very well.

 

Also, why the heck does the p51 cost 27€ and the bf109 and fw190 45€?

 

The Mustang has been out since 2012, the other two are much newer.

 

Are they realy gonna add the F15E with the release

 

No, where did you hear such a thing?

 

and are they gonna add CFT (conformal fuel tank) support for the F15C too, cuz as far as I know its also capable of having one on each engine's outer wall.

 

CFTs don't make much sense on dedicated A2A aircraft.

Edited October 25, 2015 by sobek

[dburne]

I can tell you I have been involved with ED since the original Black Shark release , which was prior to DCS World. I have been a flight simmer for more years than I care to try to remember.

For me, DCS offers more bang for the buck than any other current combat flight sims out there, and is where all my focus currently is.

Especially after the release of 1.5, with the Edge engine - finally a combat flight sim that makes full use of my graphics card. Performance is spectacular.

 

I have purchased several of the modules. ED runs some pretty good sales from time to time, what I do is wait for one of them and pick up a module or two.

 

Regarding the 10 activation limit, as I mentioned I have been involved somewhat since the early days, and have yet to run into an issue with that. There is a process to de-activate and then re-activate. Plus I am pretty sure that limit resets itself after a period of time.

 

With the modules I do have, I have way more content to learn and have fun with than I will be able to do anytime soon. I currently am having a blast finally learning the Ka-50 and getting to where I can fly combat with it. And I still have several other modules to look forward to as well.

 

ED is obviously in it for the long haul, as they already have been for some time. And now with the new Edge engine, DX11 , 64 bit, even OR support- the future seems to be looking very bright. And I was involved in the original Kickstarter project for DCS WWII, and am really looking forward to getting all the content for it as it becomes available.

[Flagrum]

Hey guys, so in some months DCS World 2 should be released, which hopefully brings better performance (more than 2 threads/cores support) to the table and better textures, more planes, etc.

Uhm, besides the thread thing (which never was said to be that way, btw), all this is already, like right now, available in 1.5.0 OB.

But personally I don't think that this game realy has a future.

I tend to disagree - the future of DCS never looked better than right now.

I am happy that they fixed the constant crashes many weeks ago, but there are many other ''issues''. It is a fact, that this game is mostly played by people, who just wanna have fun cruising around or doing simple missions, so basically the game kinda needs those people besides the ''pros'', who take this more seriously, it doesnt realy matter how good you are or so. The problem is, that pretty much no people go come into this game and genre,

Oh? How do you know?

so the producers of this game wont get much financial support from people who are spending some high amounts of money on planes, besides that its a complete rip off, that you can only use a key 10 times and need to spend 50€ on a plane too.

Huh? While I am not a big fan of restrictive DRM, and admittedly there are and were people having issues with it in DCS, the way ED handles this is probably one of the better ways to do it...

But probably I am biased a bit as I haven't lost (except maybe one or two?) any activations during my "DCS career" (a few years now, owning 99% of all modules) ...

This game is kinda too unbalanced too, with the upcoming DCS 2.0 update, some planes are gonna get obsolete. Let's take the F18, its a capable ground attack and air superiority fighter that can land on carriers too, its basically gonna make the A10C mostly obsolete, because it can be used against air targets and in general its much faster expecially with afterburner. They only case where the A10 might be more useful is when the target area isnt too far away and the ground targets dont contain SAMs or something like that.

That depends on the mission. And with that - and in regards to DCS - I mean it depends on the mission designer. What good does an FA-18 do ... if you have only A-10 available in a specific mission? ;o)

I mean seriously, most of the dlcs will also be barrely bought, because they're too expensive with 50€ per plane.

I mean, you are wrong here. Ok, not everybody buys everything all the time, but complaining that this stuff is too expensive ... uhm, really? How much fun per dollar do you get out of a module - comparing to other, generic game titles ... or even compared to your next restaurant or club visit?

 

As far as I know they're only gonna add american planes, no russian ones, isnt that kinda unbalanced when you wanna have a decently realistic scenario where its US vs. RU?

As far as I know, we do not really know what is being added in the future...

 

I think they should add at least the su34 ground attack plane cuz it can at least use laserguided munition like the F18, A10, F15E, etc.

Hrm, can't argue against this ... ;o)

I am not hating this game or anything, thats just my opinion.

 

Also, why the heck does the p51 cost 27€ and the bf109 and fw190 45€?

Probably because the P51 module is way older - older stuff tends to get sold cheaper ...

 

Are they realy gonna add the F15E with the release and are they gonna add CFT (conformal fuel tank) support for the F15C too, cuz as far as I know its also capable of having one on each engine's outer wall.

No idea. But RAZBAM had/has? the F-15E on their to-do list, afaik.

What are your opinions, guys?

 

 

(sorry for english)

My opinions ... are in blue!

Edited October 25, 2015 by BIGNEWY
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[QuiGon]

I really have to disagree.

 

Hey guys, so in some months DCS World 2 should be released, which hopefully brings better performance (more than 2 threads/cores support) to the table and better textures, more planes, etc.

You can already play with better graphics and performance in the DCS 1.5 beta, so that's not future anymore. ;)

 

The problem is, that pretty much no people go come into this game and genre

We all came into this game at some point and new people are still coming and will come. It's of course not as many as it is the case with mainstream games but what you said is not true.

 

Besides that its a complete rip off, that you can only use a key 10 times and need to spend 50€ on a plane too.

I play this game for almost 5 years now and I've never ran out of activations, not even close. And I'm not sure, but I think that if you run out you can get new activations for free, but again, I'm not sure about this one.

 

This game is kinda too unbalanced too, with the upcoming DCS 2.0 update, some planes are gonna get obsolete. Let's take the F18, its a capable ground attack and air superiority fighter that can land on carriers too, its basically gonna make the A10C mostly obsolete, because it can be used against air targets and in general its much faster expecially with afterburner. They only case where the A10 might be more useful is when the target area isnt too far away and the ground targets dont contain SAMs or something like that.

Every plane is unique and can't be replaced by another one in this game. I don't know about you, but for me it's not about just flying the best plane available to be competitive. I like to fly every plance in a scenario that fits them. Balance is something for mainstream games, not for hardcore war simulators!

 

I mean seriously, most of the dlcs will also be barrely bought, because they're too expensive with 50€ per plane.

Do you know about their product sales? I don't. I just know, that a HUGE amount of work goes into them and that has to be paid for which I'm more than happy to do.

 

As far as I know they're only gonna add american planes, no russian ones, isnt that kinda unbalanced when you wanna have a decently realistic scenario where its US vs. RU? I think they should add at least the su34 ground attack plane cuz it can at least use laserguided munition like the F18, A10, F15E, etc.

Demand is one reason to develop a certain plane, but not the most important one. You need to have access to good data (classification!) to be able to develop a plane and that's what limits the aircraft types that can be made. I don't think there is enough data available to the public to make a Su-34.

 

 

I think the futre of DCS is bright, very bright. With all the exciting new stuff coming it will be a blast! :joystick:

Edited October 25, 2015 by QuiGon

[Gunja]

Future is bright because there is no real alternative to DCS.

As far as F18 vs A10, speed is not always the advantage. Both have their irreplaceable role.

Some new maps, more AI planes from WW2 until present and the announced planes from 3rd party devs will help a lot.

[EliteKatze]

I mean, you are wrong here. Ok, not everybody buys everything all the time, but complaining that this stuff is too expensive ... uhm, really? How much fun per dollar do you get out of a module - comparing to other, generic game titles ... or even compared to your next restaurant or club visit?

 

Battlefield 4 currently costs 10€, yes, 10€ euros, I have bought it for 45€ after release and I bought premium for 35€ when it was cheaper and I have 650 hours of playtime, am max rank, and still have fun playing. Where I have FC3 and a10c for DCS, its already boring after 80 hours of playtime, besides the fact that there are too few servers with people on them here ;(

Edited October 25, 2015 by BIGNEWY
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[EliteKatze]

You can already play with better graphics and performance in the DCS 1.5 beta, so that's not future anymore.

 

ARe you serious? I updated to beta 1.5 and they only changed the mig29's cockpit and the hot air and afterburner animation on the planes....the performance thing is still not completely fixed

[EliteKatze]

Future is bright because there is no real alternative to DCS.

As far as F18 vs A10, speed is not always the advantage. Both have their irreplaceable role.

Some new maps, more AI planes from WW2 until present and the announced planes from 3rd party devs will help a lot.

 

How come that only so few people are playing this? When I ask friends to get the game they all say its a bad game

XD rofl

[EliteKatze]

Demand is one reason to develop a certain plane, but not the most important one. You need to have access to good data (classification!) to be able to develop a plane and that's what limits the aircraft types that can be made. I don't think there is enough data available to the public to make a Su-34.

 

:joystick:

 

They also added the su 33 and mig29 with pretty much no realistic flight models, they could also add planes with all the clickable things and instead make a cheaper package with several of them like FC3. And I still dont get it WHY THEY ARENT ADDING THE ME 262 SCHWALBE...sorry for caps... its just such a sexy ass plane with some serious firepower under the hood, I wanna see the A10 pilots face when I am surpasing him with the me 262 from WWII XD

Edited October 25, 2015 by BIGNEWY
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[sobek]

How come that only so few people are playing this?

 

I'd say that the complexity of operating a realistically modelled airplane doesn't intrigue most people.

[Grigs]

Well maybe you won't be part of it, but DCS has a bright future in my opinion.

 

You complain about the price and yet raise the fact that this genre is not addressed to anyone. Well those two elements are linked with each other.

 

A community built around a game like DCS is way stronger than for many other games because of the personal investment (mainly time) that it requires and because you will never face the exact same situation twice (replayability). So yes, you are right, it is not a game which is very attractive because of its level of difficulty. But many of us are players which will probably keep playing for a few decades. Arcade players, on the other side, would menace the game as soon as they would get bored (it is a group with short term benefits). In order to stay alive as a company, ED and its partners have to innovate and to propose new content which will be a real improvement, a must for all the regular players to have. DCS World 2 is part of it. I guess we all agree that, over all, it will be a big change and anyone will love it better than the older versions (although we might not like any part of it, e.g. the look of the mountains is still weird to me). So ED must be creative. And listening their custommers is certainly necessary to some extent (many ideas are thrown in the air every week, some of them might be integrated in the future, others are impossible to make, and the last ones are a investment/benefits non-sense for any company).

 

As far as I know, registration keys can be used forever since it is possible to unregister your products when you reinstall your system or buy a new computer.

 

DCS might be a game, but it is a simulation after all. So yes, coalitions might be unbalanced, just like in the reality. Life is unfair, that's it.

 

F/A 18-C and A-10C have been designed and developped for different missions. But you seem to focus on the specifications. That's a mistake on your side. There is no ultimate plane capable of doing everything better than the other, keep that in mind.

 

So my opinion is that you sound quiet young. It is not a bad thing, but you have some difficulties to understand some concepts (aerial or economical). I hope you will keep playing the DCS in the future, because it is going to improve itself, I am sure about that.

 

Bottom line : opening a thread to declare that DCS has no future is quiet immature.

[Flagrum]

Battlefield 4 currently costs 10€, yes, 10€ euros, I have bought it for 45€ after release and I bought premium for 35€ when it was cheaper and I have 650 hours of playtime, am max rank, and still have fun playing. Where I have FC3 and a10c for DCS, its already boring after 80 hours of playtime, besides the fact that there are too few servers with people on them here ;(

Yes, there are other games that are fun to play for hours and hours. But those are only perhaps < 5% of all games, imo.

 

And therefore I am still convinced that DCS modules provide an excellent fun-per-dollar ratio.

 

They also added the su 33 and mig29 with pretty much no realistic flight models, they could also add planes with all the clickable things and instead make a cheaper package with several of them like FC3.

So, basically you want more? But pay even less? Interesting concept!

(besides that they are redoing all the FC3 2D cockpits into 6dof 3D cockpits ... for 0 EUR ...)

 

And I still dont get it WHY THEY ARENT ADDING THE ME 262 SCHWALBE...sorry for caps... its just such a sexy ass plane with some serious firepower under the hood, I wanna see the A10 pilots face when I am surpasing him with the me 262 from WWII XD

Huh? ED is working on the ME 262 ... (http://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?t=126824)

Edited October 25, 2015 by BIGNEWY
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[sobek]

They also added the su 33 and mig29 with pretty much no realistic flight models,

 

Those have been there for 10 years, they are only now being updated with realistic flight models, which take a long time to make.

 

they could also add planes with all the clickable things and instead make a cheaper package with several of them like FC3.

 

The 'clickable things' is what makes up a substantial amount of the work.

 

And I still dont get it WHY THEY ARENT ADDING THE ME 262 SCHWALBE...sorry for caps... its just such a sexy ass plane with some serious firepower under the hood,

 

Because they are working on other WWII planes first.

 

I wanna see the A10 pilots face when I am surpasing him with the me 262 from WWII XD

 

LOL, in any kind of realistic mission, you'll never see an A-10 because his top cover will have killed you long before you even know anybody is there. If your engines don't flame out first, that is.

Edited October 25, 2015 by BIGNEWY
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[Cripple]

How come that only so few people are playing this? When I ask friends to get the game they all say its a bad game

XD rofl

 

Troll alert.:doh:

 

It's not BF4. It's not an easy "game" to get in to, which tends to have people who can't stick at it to say it is "bad".

 

Bottom line: does DCS have any direct competition? No? Well, it'll tick along just fine then...

 

(However I agree that some more overall focus is required, rather than just adding Joe Dev's Brother's Cousin's Boyfriend's favourite jet trainer... again).

Edited October 25, 2015 by Cripple
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[Tirak]

How come that only so few people are playing this? When I ask friends to get the game they all say its a bad game

XD rofl

 

So... because your friends aren't interested in DCS that means that... no body else likes playing the game?

 

Much logic :lol:

[Gunja]

How come that only so few people are playing this? When I ask friends to get the game they all say its a bad game

XD rofl

 

That would depend on who your friends are. What is the game of their choice that they call a good game?

You meant few people flying online or in general? Number of players in multiplayer is not a good way to determine the size of the player base.

[Sryan]

Thought I'd say loud and clear that, you will never run out of activations. If you used your last one, you will automaticly get a new one after 30 days. If something really funky happened you can always try to shoot an email to support. you will not EVER be locked out permanently out of the product you bought.

 

Your reasoning that the F/A-18 would make the A10 obselete because it can take off from a carrier and can act as a fighter is quite weird to me. Don't forget we're not playing one of those commercial matchmaker multiplayer battle 'simulation' flying games, where the top of the line plane is worth having and the rest is not. Besides, each plane has its own pro's and cons. According to this logic, I could say that the A10 is more likely to survive a anti-air artillery barrage hit, or a SAM strike than an F/A-18, therefor the A10 is more suited to dangerous missions and infinitly better than an F/A-18.

 

 

Have a nice day.

[cichlidfan]

I want to thank the OP for the funniest thing I have read this week. Please continue. :megalol:

[PiedDroit]

I want to thank the OP for the funniest thing I have read this week. Please continue. :megalol:

Wait, no, that's actually an interesting point of view. It just make us realize even more that it's a niche market and not so many people are interested in it.

 

As a niche, prices are higher and this might make it a vicious circle, but since DCS engine is free and comes with free modules, it's a nice workaround.

 

To the OP I can only say, either change the way he sees the game (to be able to enjoy it more, you must not expected BF4-stype gameplay, it's just too different) or switch to another type of sim more suited to his needs.

Some stuff would be welcome to make it almost perfect though (dynamic campaign, where are you? :music_whistling:).

All the modules (RU counterpart to F/A-18C, whatever) will come in due time I'm pretty sure.

[danilop]

We don't have any other choice at the moment and probably will never have. Basically, if ED goes out of business, combat flight simmers are screwed for good.

 

It's that serious.

 

So, show some faith people ... I have a lot to complain about, but this is not Microsoft, Sony and EA and I try to keep my rants in private circles! :D

Edited October 25, 2015 by danilop

[BIGNEWY]

I have cleaned the thread of profanity, please be respectful when posting.

 

Forum rules.

 

Thanks

[jvanhoog]

Funny thing, bought bf4 and 3 on sale to see what all the fuss was about. Bf4 - deleted, bf3 -deleted, origin deleted, so I think you can't generalize about peoples' preferences too much.

[BlackLion213]

So do you also sit down at a restaurant and inform the waiter or manager that the food isn't that great and it clearly has no future?

 

Why bother to show up in the first place? If you think DCS is no good, why bother talking about it? Devote yourself to something that you like.

 

Seriously, I'm asking....

 

-Nick

 

PS -

How come that only so few people are playing this? When I ask friends to get the game they all say its a bad game

XD rofl

 

Because we're not lemmings.

 

It turns out that I'm the leading World Expert on what I like. ;)

Edited October 25, 2015 by BlackLion213

[Revelation]

I guess I'll throw my "hat" into the mix...

It is a fact, that this game is mostly played by people, who just wanna have fun cruising around or doing simple missions, so basically the game kinda needs those people besides the ''pros'', who take this more seriously,

No, not really. If you want to see some more "serious flying" you will need to join one of the many virtual squadrons out there. Even still, you will see it online in Pub servers.

 

I will say that an effective ATO and mission selection tool/planner are very much needed.

 

 

 

The problem is, that pretty much no people go come into this game and genre,

I disagree. There are new people joining the DCS series all the time. In fact I believe switching the core of DCS World to Free-to-play brought in much more people. Once 1.5 or 2.0 are available through Steam we should see an uptick in the player base.

 

so the producers of this game wont get much financial support from people who are spending some high amounts of money on planes, besides that its a complete rip off, that you can only use a key 10 times and need to spend 50€ on a plane too.

I think ED charges too little for new releases. I think they have sales way too often and discounted too much. I don't make the financial decisions for them so what I think doesn't matter much to their team.

 

Your assumption on how the keys work is incorrect.

 

 

Let's take the F18, its a capable ground attack and air superiority fighter that can land on carriers too, its basically gonna make the A10C mostly obsolete, because it can be used against air targets and in general its much faster expecially with afterburner.

The F-18 cannot carry the payload an A-10 can nor can it loiter over the target area nearly as long. You don't understand the basic fundamentals of the respective aircraft, their strengths or weaknesses.

 

How come that only so few people are playing this? When I ask friends to get the game they all say its a bad game

XD rofl

Your friend's opinion is of little value to the DCS community. Most of the DCS community, in fact, flies offline. I, personally, feel that is really due to how the missions are designed in the multiplayer environment.

 

This goes back to what I said earlier in that there, eventually, needs to be some sort of ATO, mission planner that runs and pilots join. We may see this one day when ED gets closer to rolling out a dynamic campaign.

 

ARe you serious? I updated to beta 1.5 and they only changed the mig29's cockpit and the hot air and afterburner animation on the planes....the performance thing is still not completely fixed

That is not all....

 

Performance in DCS 1.5 is better than it ever has been before. The new Terrain Textures by Mustang are far better than the old 1.2 meshes.

 

Why don't you post a SS of your graphics settings and type out what your hardware is; better yet post a dxdiag.

Edited October 25, 2015 by Revelation