erjdriver Posted November 16, 2015 Posted November 16, 2015 Does this aircraft have moving map? Also is it a clickable cockpit. Thanks - plan to buy it - if affirm on both.
Jumbik Posted November 16, 2015 Posted November 16, 2015 It does not have MFD with map if you mean this. Do, or do not, there is no try. -------------------------------------------------------- Sapphire Nitro+ Rx Vega 64, i7 4790K ... etc. etc.
fixen Posted November 16, 2015 Posted November 16, 2015 The 2000C does not have a moving map irl. The module does have a clickable cockpit.
Valium Posted November 16, 2015 Posted November 16, 2015 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CtvzgXGPxn0 Click here to see more pictures of Polish Air Force! Check also my album.
ESAc_matador Posted November 16, 2015 Posted November 16, 2015 You should learn to navigate with HSI. And print a map (or use a tablet or something). You fly with radials and distances from a selected point (Tacan, VOR, NDBs) then compare with what you see. Rivers, hills cities. For me, this is very inmersive, realistic, and funny! 1
Esac_mirmidon Posted November 16, 2015 Posted November 16, 2015 Or simply following the HUD navigation cues, like the A-10C. " You must think in russian.." [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Windows 7 Home Premium-Intel 2500K OC 4.6-SSD Samsung EVO 860- MSI GTX 1080 - 16G RAM - 1920x1080 27´ Hotas Rhino X-55-MFG Crosswind Rudder Pedals -Track IR 4
VincentLaw Posted November 16, 2015 Posted November 16, 2015 There is actually an MFD upgrade for the radar screen compatible with the 2000C, but I don't have any evidence of France using it, so I doubt we will get that unless someone can prove otherwise. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]
Corsair Posted November 16, 2015 Posted November 16, 2015 There is indeed an upgraded VTB (HDD) capable of displaying moving map, but it is in service on 2000EGM (HAF) only (and maybe some other export.. IAF 2000H ?).
jojo Posted November 16, 2015 Posted November 16, 2015 You should learn to navigate with HSI. And print a map (or use a tablet or something). You fly with radials and distances from a selected point (Tacan, VOR, NDBs) then compare with what you see. Rivers, hills cities. For me, this is very inmersive, realistic, and funny! First of all you have INS :thumbup: Mirage fanatic ! I7-7700K/ MSI RTX3080/ RAM 64 Go/ SSD / TM Hornet stick-Virpil WarBRD + Virpil CM3 Throttle + MFG Crosswind + Reverb G2. Flickr gallery: https://www.flickr.com/gp/71068385@N02/728Hbi
Moos_tachu Posted November 16, 2015 Posted November 16, 2015 There is actually an MFD upgrade for the radar screen compatible with the 2000C, but I don't have any evidence of France using it, so I doubt we will get that unless someone can prove otherwise. I have very good evidence of France NOT using it ;) [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Mud, wind and fire.
VincentLaw Posted November 16, 2015 Posted November 16, 2015 I have very good evidence of France NOT using it ;)Sounds like this discussion can pretty much be ended unless RAZBAM decides to do an EG variant. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]
Rain Posted November 16, 2015 Posted November 16, 2015 It would be really, really nice if we got a moving map in M-2000...
Esac_mirmidon Posted November 17, 2015 Posted November 17, 2015 Not for a Mirage 2000C version represented by Razbam. " You must think in russian.." [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Windows 7 Home Premium-Intel 2500K OC 4.6-SSD Samsung EVO 860- MSI GTX 1080 - 16G RAM - 1920x1080 27´ Hotas Rhino X-55-MFG Crosswind Rudder Pedals -Track IR 4
QuiGon Posted November 17, 2015 Posted November 17, 2015 First of all you have INS :thumbup: Am I correct when I guess that INS drift won't be modeled for the DCS Mirage? Intel i7-12700K @ 8x5GHz+4x3.8GHz + 32 GB DDR5 RAM + Nvidia Geforce RTX 2080 (8 GB VRAM) + M.2 SSD + Windows 10 64Bit DCS Panavia Tornado (IDS) really needs to be a thing!
Cool Breeze Posted November 17, 2015 Posted November 17, 2015 Am I correct when I guess that INS drift won't be modeled for the DCS Mirage? I'm wondering why it wouldn't be? IMO folks would be screaming for INS drift, because well realism. It would make it interesting having to compensate for it. My question would be how much drift is possible for the INS over, say an hour. The drift would be increased by maneuvering, yes? "For once you have tasted flight you will walk the earth with your eyes turned skywards, for there you have been and there you will long to return." Leonardo Da Vinci "We are tied to the ocean. And when we go back to the sea, whether it is to sail or to watch - we are going back from whence we came." John F. Kennedy
QuiGon Posted November 17, 2015 Posted November 17, 2015 (edited) I'm wondering why it wouldn't be? IMO folks would be screaming for INS drift, because well realism. It would make it interesting having to compensate for it. My question would be how much drift is possible for the INS over, say an hour. The drift would be increased by maneuvering, yes? Yeah, I also would love to have this feature! And yes, maneuvering increases INS drift. I once read about A-10s deploying from mainland USA to Saudi Arabia in 1990 as part of Desert Shield. They followed a GPS-equipped tanker to spain, where they stopped over night. The next day they continued to Saudi Arabia, but the tanker diverted to Bahrain, so they had to find their airfield on their own in the saudi desert and they had a real struggle to find it, because their INS drifted so far off that the airfield was not where the INS said it should be. Edited November 17, 2015 by QuiGon Intel i7-12700K @ 8x5GHz+4x3.8GHz + 32 GB DDR5 RAM + Nvidia Geforce RTX 2080 (8 GB VRAM) + M.2 SSD + Windows 10 64Bit DCS Panavia Tornado (IDS) really needs to be a thing!
Cool Breeze Posted November 17, 2015 Posted November 17, 2015 Yeah, I also would love to have this feature! And yes, maneuvering increases INS drift. I once read about A-10s deploying from mainland USA to Saudi Arabia in 1990 as part of Desert Shield. They followed a GPS-equipped tanker to spain, where they stopped over night. The next day they continued to Saudi Arabia, but the tanker diverted to Bahrain, so they had to find their airfield on their own in the saudi desert and they had a real struggle to find it, because their INS drifted so far off that the airfield was not where the INS said it should be. Wow that is a lot of drift for a three to four hour! But the hogs were supposed to be a daylight VFR war fight. Still begs the question of how much drift we can expect. I've only flown the GPS heavy A-10C and the props where it isn't an option. "For once you have tasted flight you will walk the earth with your eyes turned skywards, for there you have been and there you will long to return." Leonardo Da Vinci "We are tied to the ocean. And when we go back to the sea, whether it is to sail or to watch - we are going back from whence we came." John F. Kennedy
QuiGon Posted November 17, 2015 Posted November 17, 2015 Wow that is a lot of drift for a three to four hour! But the hogs were supposed to be a daylight VFR war fight. Still begs the question of how much drift we can expect. I've only flown the GPS heavy A-10C and the props where it isn't an option. I still wonder if we can expect drift at all. I really doubt it will be modeled. Intel i7-12700K @ 8x5GHz+4x3.8GHz + 32 GB DDR5 RAM + Nvidia Geforce RTX 2080 (8 GB VRAM) + M.2 SSD + Windows 10 64Bit DCS Panavia Tornado (IDS) really needs to be a thing!
Cantiga Posted November 17, 2015 Posted November 17, 2015 from Q&A:Q: will INU overfly to update INU and reduce drift be implemented? A. Yes. But that feature will be available after the Open Beta. So I assume INS drift will be implemented.
QuiGon Posted November 17, 2015 Posted November 17, 2015 (edited) from Q&A: So I assume INS drift will be implemented. Oh, you're right. I watched/read that and forgot... :music_whistling: That's a really nice feature! Has this been done anywhere before? Certainly not in DCS (A-10C and KA-50 are missing it and of course the FC3 birds) but what about FSX, X-Plane or BMS? Anyways, thanks for the heads up! Edited November 17, 2015 by QuiGon Intel i7-12700K @ 8x5GHz+4x3.8GHz + 32 GB DDR5 RAM + Nvidia Geforce RTX 2080 (8 GB VRAM) + M.2 SSD + Windows 10 64Bit DCS Panavia Tornado (IDS) really needs to be a thing!
CallsignFrosty Posted November 17, 2015 Posted November 17, 2015 I have the just flight tristar professional (lots of bugs and performance issues, I don't recommend purchasing it despite saying the following...) and it modelled the INS drift really well, I loved having to recalibrate over the north sea on a simulated tanker route ;). Having such a feature really shows the benefit of GPS assisted INS as in the A10C and other more modern aircraft. I might give that bird another go if and when I upgrade to V3 from P3D V2, that thing ate VAS like nothing else!
fjacobsen Posted November 17, 2015 Posted November 17, 2015 I guess the INS would be able to make an DME update, if such are present in the area. FinnJ | i7-10700K 3.8-5.1Ghz | 64GB RAM | RTX 4070 12GB | 1x1TB M.2. NVMe SSD | 1x2TB M.2. NVMe SSD | 2x2TB SATA SSD | 1x2TB HDD 7200 RPM | Win10 Home 64bit | Meta Quest 3 |
jojo Posted November 17, 2015 Posted November 17, 2015 Published figures about Mirage F1 CR/ CT INS talk about 1.5Nm/h drift... Maybe Mirage 2000 is slightly better. Overall it's the same 80' technology. Mirage fanatic ! I7-7700K/ MSI RTX3080/ RAM 64 Go/ SSD / TM Hornet stick-Virpil WarBRD + Virpil CM3 Throttle + MFG Crosswind + Reverb G2. Flickr gallery: https://www.flickr.com/gp/71068385@N02/728Hbi
Luzifer Posted November 17, 2015 Posted November 17, 2015 There's also Flight Factor's 757 for X-Plane which models a pre-GPS navigation system including drift. It has three INUs though, so the INS blends those three positions for increased accuracy. It also does automatic DME/DME updating if you let it. If the Mirage supports radio nav updating it wouldn't be DME/DME unless it has two receivers.
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