MFD Crosswind <-> VKB T-Rudder Mk III

[FishDoctor]

After my Saitek-Peddals went the way of all saitek-crap I ordered MFGs. I think I will not do anything wrong with them, but yesterday I saw the VKB T-Rudder the first time and realized I could safe about 100€.

Does anyone has experience with both of them or especial with the last? I didn't found something usefull.

 

If I see it right, the main difference is the missing toe-brake with VKB, but in fact I mostly fly helos, where toe-brakes are really useless :)

 

So whats your opinion, could it be usefull to order VKB instead of MFG?

[rrohde]

I only own the VKB MkIII T-Rudder pedals, so I cannot speak to the Crosswind ones. I like the VKB offering a lot. You can swap the cam around for a softer center, and change the spring tension. They're smooth, sturdy (all metal construction), and precise. :thumbup:

FWIW - VKB already has a virtual toe-brake in the works for these pedals, see here (scroll down to the end of the page).

[dburne]

Well you will probably be hard pressed to find someone that owns both, but you never know.

 

I will say in my case, I have a set of the MFG Crosswinds on order due in late Dec, and I could not be more excited - especially as at this time I am mainly a helo flyer. Oh and at least in the KA-50, you can use a toe brake. I have my left toe brake assigned to the KA-50 brake which supports an axis.

 

I have been using my Saitek Combats , and am really looking forward to the smoothness, the cam options ( I ordered the two optional as well), and the durability of the Crosswinds. I did a lot of reading up on the pedals over the last year or so, and knew those were the ones I wanted. So I waited till I had the disposable funds to get them.

[Sokol1_br]

I use VKB and are fully satisfied, the main advantage for me is the vertical operation, as I use a ordinary computer chair.

 

Previous experience with CH and TM pedals are uncomfortable due the back and forth movement, tireless in prolonged use if you sit with spine in ~90 degrees.

 

And due the vertical operation they don't need fixation to not "dance across the floor". :)

 

For brake DCS P-51, BF 109 K-4 and Fw 190 D-9 I use "Axis2button" of VKB software and is OK, since I spent more time flying than making taxi - what I can do with this soft solution.

In iL-2 BoS this is not need, as all planes work with "differential brakes" (that English/Russian system).

 

For the money T-Rudder are very good, no reason for buy another pedal.

 

I think in overall Crosswind or Slaw is more flexible option, specially if you are used to "toe brakes" and will miss this. They worth the extra money, but I don't have experience whit these...

[Revvin]

I'm not sure I could get used to the lack of a traditional slide back and fore rudder movement on the VKB pedals even though they do look nice so it would have to be the Crosswinds.

[hansangb]

On the MFGs, you can "tilt" your rudder pedals to suit your need.

 

Highly recommended for both helo and planes. Worth every penny!

 

hsb

[bouncerj21]

Hi

 

I have got the VKB MkIII and very happy with them. Perfect for normal office chair / under desk usage. I fly both Planes and Helo's and absolutely love them.

 

Build quality is amazing and had very fast delivery in Europe. Previously had the Saitek Combat Pedals.

 

Just waiting for the TOE brakes as per rrohde post and this should be released soon

[FishDoctor]

I'm not sure about the VKB...the pedals work vertical, not like MFD or all the saiteks, is that right?

[Sokol1_br]

Yes his operation is vertical.

 

If you mount then over a base inclined ~45º theiy will operate more like a helicopter pedal, but not this sliding movement of conventional pedal.

 

See foots movement in this video:

 

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And "Toe braking" (A2B) there:

 

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I try with virtual axis for brake with actual soft - but find response "slug'ist", A2B is more practical - the new "virtual toe brakes" in development will use different algorithmic for virtual axis.

 

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IMO - If you are used to back and forth rudder or like some consider brakes more important than rudder precision (not issue in high end models), think twice before decide for T-Rudder.

Edited November 23, 2015 by Sokol1_br

[FishDoctor]

I'm really used in "conventional" rudder, but I think at least in precision there shouldn't be any notable differences between both, right?

 

Those, who changed to VKB, did it take long to get used in the vertical rudder? Especial for helo?

[Rogue Trooper]

The VKBs look good and I considered these when I was shopping around, they certainly look more chopper and look like they are perfectly built. I have never used them

 

The Komodo Sim pedals are chopper pedals that have no return to center, so they simply stay where they are put. These are also very good quality and also have no toe breaks. They are smooth to operate.

 

I own the MFG crosswinds and all future needs and requirements have been addressed, my pedal search has ended..... unless I win the lottery.

Edited November 23, 2015 by Rogue Trooper

[rrohde]

I'm really used in "conventional" rudder, but I think at least in precision there shouldn't be any notable differences between both, right?

 

Those, who changed to VKB, did it take long to get used in the vertical rudder? Especial for helo?

 

It's as easy - and convenient, as tapping your feet. :thumbup:

 

EDIT: Regarding your helo question - I flipped over the cam, which gives me a softer center now, which is perfect for helo flight. :) Check the info labeled "Centering unit" here: http://vkb-sim.pro/T-Rudder-MkIII/index.php

Edited November 23, 2015 by rrohde
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[Len62]

The VKB's are my first, and probably last, pedals. I love them and the vertical movement is easy on the feet/legs and no issues with them sliding around. I would rate the build quality/workmanship as excellent!

[Harle]

VKB pedals are good for rolling office chairs cause you won't roll back like when pushing conventional pedals. So there's a kind of tradeoff between nice and cosy position in a chair (especially coastered) and having both physical braking axes.

[Dudikoff]

I'm also planning to buy one of these - the vertical movement seems just what I need since I sit in an office chair so pushing regular pedals while sitting upright feels pretty awkward. They also seem rather compact so I expect they'll go well with my Wheelstand Pro.

[Bourrinopathe]

Depending on your shoe size, the dimensions on the floor/stand are roughly 40cm*26cm (16in*10in).

Edited November 25, 2015 by Bourrinopathe

[Dudikoff]

Depending on your shoe size, the dimensions on the floor/stand are roughly 40cm*26cm (16in*10in).

 

40 cm is just perfect as that's the size of the floor panel which comes with the Wheelstand Pro. Thanks.

[Vampr]

I can't comment of the VKB's, but after just receiving my MFG Crosswinds my pedal buying days are over. You can have them when you pry them from my cold, dead fingers!! Best sim gear I have ever bought and exceed the hype they get from their very satisfied customers/users.