il_corleone Posted November 26, 2015 Posted November 26, 2015 Sorry for the offtopic, I am upset of people showin off "his skills" on a game, using superior aircraft. Well, The Mirage 2000 seems to be a very good figther and of course a great addition to the only "west" fighter we have now, I suggest to fly it in pairs using its radar and to do not relay complety on BVR, its radar seems to be great for shooting at short distances, 20km, so in my opinion this one needs to be used as an interceptor as it is, ambushing and relaying in some short BVR. I am used to Mig 21, and for taking out a target, often I wait till it is at 10km, and more times on short distances, with Mirage, I hope to take targets on BVR and I think it will be effective. Opinion: Good maneuverability Good weaponry (The 530D will be a good choice against Aim-7 or R27R) or at least can compete Good range (unlike Mig 21) Good AG weaponry, I think you can carry 2 530D and some AG ordenance, you can self-protect you Air refueling, this is very fun! and in servers like 104 can add more inmersion Good Radar, Unlike Mig 21 this looks like to be more FC3 in style of being effective, and not loosing contacts
XeNoise Posted November 27, 2015 Posted November 27, 2015 I think this was supposed to mean something like "M-2000C < F-15". :huh: Might be, but no, it's not about which one is better, it's about them differences. I've been flying the f-15 for a decade now, and i think it will be a challange to get used to the fact that the mirage's wing's shape doesn't allow slow maneuvers like an f-15. Now if we think that most players online tend to fly low that might get really intresting. Anyways i think that until the release only a real mirage pilot could give solid tips.
Moos_tachu Posted November 27, 2015 Posted November 27, 2015 I've been flying the f-15 for a decade now, and i think it will be a challange to get used to the fact that the mirage's wing's shape doesn't allow slow maneuvers like an f-15. Looks like you believe we're getting a Mirage III (again...) The M2000 has relaxed stability and FBW, which give it excellent nose authority at low speeds. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Mud, wind and fire.
AcE Posted December 7, 2015 Posted December 7, 2015 Good AG weaponry, I think you can carry 2 530D and some AG ordenance, you can self-protect you Not so good!! Only 2 GBU-12 or 4 MK82 and with a very poor degraded CCIP mode because its inertial system is not GPS linked! And you can't have 530D with AG weapon at same time, you've to choose on the ground... So not for strike porposes :-)) But a very good fighter!! ... For those who asked it, i know the end of some fights between a F-15 and a 2000 during red flag parties... you would be surprise... the 2000 has a poor radar compare to the eagle, but without any doubts the most powerfull jamming system in the world! " Aim high " failure is not an option.
XeNoise Posted December 7, 2015 Posted December 7, 2015 Looks like you believe we're getting a Mirage III (again...) The M2000 has relaxed stability and FBW, which give it excellent nose authority at low speeds. I always thought that it's the known contra of delta shaped wings, i guess and hope i was wrong :)
chev255 Posted December 7, 2015 Posted December 7, 2015 I always thought that it's the known contra of delta shaped wings, i guess and hope i was wrong :) Delta wings can do high AoA maneuvers, it's just that you will bleed airspeed very quickly when doing so
cauldron Posted December 8, 2015 Posted December 8, 2015 Actually for a given 'high" AoA like over 15 to 20 degrees deltas have less drag and more lift than conventional wings. Modern deltas have vortex generators as well, but so do modern conventional wings "ie. strakes" which are the dark magic part of aerodynamics, so you really can't place a particular plane in this generalization and expect any kind of valid conclusion. You really need a complete set of charts to start making any conclusions.
Hummingbird Posted December 9, 2015 Posted December 9, 2015 Fear the F-15 in BVR, but not so much in WVR where the F-15 should fear you more. The Mirage 2000C features both a higher instantaneous and sustained turn rate than the F-15C, so if you can force a merge and get into a classic dogfight, then the F-15C is in big trouble against the Mirage.
joebloggs Posted December 12, 2015 Posted December 12, 2015 Did I miss the tips about the Mirage 2000? I saw the thread and was hoping to get a head start.
pepto Posted December 12, 2015 Posted December 12, 2015 does anyone know the mirage's corner speed(s)?
il_corleone Posted December 12, 2015 Posted December 12, 2015 (edited) does anyone know the mirage's corner speed(s)? Found it! Combat Maneuverability (9G) Turn rate at Corner Speed @ 15,000 ft. (4,572m) - Two IR Missiles - 50% Int. Fuel Mach 0.7 : 22 °/s, Mach 0.9: 17.5 °/s Mach 1.2: 13 °/s Mach 1.5: 10.5 °/s From: [ame]http://www.checksix-fr.com/downloads/falcon4/Topolo/zip/Falcon4M2K.pdf[/ame] From the part of "Availible public data" page 15 Edited December 12, 2015 by il_corleone
pepto Posted December 12, 2015 Posted December 12, 2015 Found it! Combat Maneuverability (9G) Turn rate at Corner Speed @ 15,000 ft. (4,572m) - Two IR Missiles - 50% Int. Fuel Mach 0.7 : 22 °/s, Mach 0.9: 17.5 °/s Mach 1.2: 13 °/s Mach 1.5: 10.5 °/s From: http://www.checksix-fr.com/downloads/falcon4/Topolo/zip/Falcon4M2K.pdf From the part of "Availible public data" page 15 many thanks!
SUBS17 Posted December 13, 2015 Posted December 13, 2015 I think the M2000C should be flown like Hadwell flies his Mig 21. No it should be flown more like that Israeli guy who shot down all those Migs, he used the barrel roll to get behind Migs on his 6 a few times.:thumbup: [sIGPIC] [/sIGPIC]
OxideMako Posted December 13, 2015 Posted December 13, 2015 No it should be flown more like that Israeli guy who shot down all those Migs, he used the barrel roll to get behind Migs on his 6 a few times.:thumbup: This guy?: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Giora_Epstein Was one hell of a fighter pilot.
MikeHunt Posted December 13, 2015 Posted December 13, 2015 (edited) Talking about game... dodging the Tomcat's missiles, which were designed to intercept non-maneuvering bombers, a kid in a Mirage 2000 should be able to handle that. The AIM-54 is like a giant AIM-120, assuming it's fired via TWS, you will get the same warning time an AIM-120 will give you, but probably less because of the increased speed of the AIM-54. Edited December 13, 2015 by MikeHunt
SUBS17 Posted December 13, 2015 Posted December 13, 2015 This guy?: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Giora_Epstein Was one hell of a fighter pilot. That's the guy. [sIGPIC] [/sIGPIC]
Vectury Posted December 14, 2015 Posted December 14, 2015 The AIM-54 is like a giant AIM-120, assuming it's fired via TWS, you will get the same warning time an AIM-120 will give you, but probably less because of the increased speed of the AIM-54. But then again probably more because of the longer ranges the AIM-54 is foxed at. :idiot: [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] -- i7 4790K -- Club 3D R9 290X Royal Ace SOC -- Asus Maximus VII Ranger -- G.Skill Trident X 16GB DDR3-2400 CL10 -- Gelid Tranquillo rev.2 -- Corsair RM850 -- Corsair 760T White -- Windows 10
AussieGhost789 Posted December 14, 2015 Posted December 14, 2015 But then again probably more because of the longer ranges the AIM-54 is foxed at. :idiot: It will depend on the range of the seeker. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]
Vectury Posted December 14, 2015 Posted December 14, 2015 It will depend on the range of the seeker. True, true... [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] -- i7 4790K -- Club 3D R9 290X Royal Ace SOC -- Asus Maximus VII Ranger -- G.Skill Trident X 16GB DDR3-2400 CL10 -- Gelid Tranquillo rev.2 -- Corsair RM850 -- Corsair 760T White -- Windows 10
carlos.gh Posted December 14, 2015 Posted December 14, 2015 That's the guy. The final comments about the F-16 vs. the Mirage are against general mainstream thinking. I would like to know what other pilots having flown direct input vs. computerized aircrafts think.
Moos_tachu Posted December 14, 2015 Posted December 14, 2015 The AIM-54 is like a giant AIM-120 No it's not :D One of the big differences is the Phoenix has no smoke attenuation device => big contrail => very easy to spot, even without a launch warning. And once it is spotted, its limited maneuverability makes it easy to dodge for a fighter. So I hold my ground: the AIM-54 was designed to intercept waves of Tu-95 and Tu-22, it is not efficient against maneuvering fighters. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Mud, wind and fire.
PiedDroit Posted December 14, 2015 Posted December 14, 2015 (edited) The final comments about the F-16 vs. the Mirage are against general mainstream thinking. I would like to know what other pilots having flown direct input vs. computerized aircrafts think. Probably the same (if they every flew a non-FBW aircraft). However, in terms of training and combat effectiveness FBW is a huge improvement, since pilots can concentrate more on SA and weapon employement, rather than flying the aircraft (not even counting the benefits of relaxed stability). A guy like him is one in a million (edit: I mean a guy able to master his aircraft like this)... It's the same with computerized engine control, you don't have to worry about radiators, air intake pressure and whatnot :D Edited December 14, 2015 by PiedDroit
Moos_tachu Posted December 14, 2015 Posted December 14, 2015 The final comments about the F-16 vs. the Mirage are against general mainstream thinking. Why is that?? :huh: Not the first time we hear an old pilot commenting that he doesn't enjoy FBW aircraft as much as he used to enjoy his good-ole' jetfighter from the 60's... [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Mud, wind and fire.
bart Posted December 14, 2015 Posted December 14, 2015 Here's a good tip....... If in any doubt, any doubt at all........LCtrl +e+e+e :D :joystick: System :- i7-12700K 3.6 GHz 12 core, ASUS ROG Strix Z690-A Gaming, 64GB Corsair Vengeance RGB Pro 3200MHz, 24GB Asus ROG Strix Geforce RTX 3090, 1x 500GB Samsung 980 PRO M.2, 1x 2TB Samsung 980 PRO M.2, Corsair 1000W RMx Series Modular 80 Plus Gold PSU, Windows 10. VIRPIL VPC WarBRD Base with HOTAS Warthog Stick and Warthog Throttle, VIRPIL ACE Interceptor Pedals, VIRPIL VPC Rotor TCS Plus Base with a Hawk-60 Grip, HP Reverb G2.
Arden Posted December 15, 2015 Author Posted December 15, 2015 Here's a good tip....... If in any doubt, any doubt at all........LCtrl +e+e+e :D :joystick: Flare, flare, flare Jammer on ...
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