DCS: AJS-37 Viggen Discussion

[Farlander]

Can we have an ETA for when the ETA for the announcement for the ETA of the release will be? I'm thinking in the ballpark of july?

[amb]

Can we have an ETA for when the ETA for the announcement for the ETA of the release will be? I'm thinking in the ballpark of july?

 

I love you

[amb]

The thing which strikes me as strange is why the F-14 has got its own forum and all when the Viggen is supposedly closer to release...

[dartuil]

Strange isnt it?

Viggen should be a surprise I guess. Missed because of steam.

[mattebubben]

The thing which strikes me as strange is why the F-14 has got its own forum and all when the Viggen is supposedly closer to release...

 

Because the F-14 has been officially announced by leatherneck.

 

the Viggen has not.

 

It was leaked backed in november and leatherneck has Acknowledged that it was true.

 

But they still have not made their official announcement with pictures and stuff etc.

 

When they do it will get its own forum.

 

And since most likely it will be close to release it will probably be avaliable for pre-order right away when it announced.

[Grundar]

Because the F-14 has been officially announced by leatherneck.

 

the Viggen has not.

 

It was leaked backed in november and leatherneck has Acknowledged that it was true.

 

But they still have not made their official announcement with pictures and stuff etc.

 

When they do it will get its own forum.

 

And since most likely it will be close to release it will probably be avaliable for pre-order right away when it announced.

 

Praying hard for that to be true! I have funds in the bank just waiting to splurge it on all these LN modules.

[Darkbrotherhood7]

Praying hard for that to be true! I have funds in the bank just waiting to splurge it on all these LN modules.

Same!

[amb]

Because the F-14 has been officially announced by leatherneck.

 

the Viggen has not.

 

It was leaked backed in november and leatherneck has Acknowledged that it was true.

 

But they still have not made their official announcement with pictures and stuff etc.

 

When they do it will get its own forum.

 

And since most likely it will be close to release it will probably be avaliable for pre-order right away when it announced.

 

Well sure, but that begs the question: Why was the F-14 announced such a long way before its release date while at the same time they are so reluctant to announce the Viggen even now?

 

It makes no sense. If I were a suspicious person I might start guessing that maybe there's some sort of internal conflict between the Viggen team and the rest of LN which puts some uncertainty on wether the Viggen will actually be released under the LN name or not, thus they don't want to announce it under that name until they know how it's going to be.

 

I don't really think that is the case, but this lack of information just makes the imagination run wild...

[Tirak]

Well sure, but that begs the question: Why was the F-14 announced such a long way before its release date while at the same time they are so reluctant to announce the Viggen even now?

 

It makes no sense. If I were a suspicious person I might start guessing that maybe there's some sort of internal conflict between the Viggen team and the rest of LN which puts some uncertainty on wether the Viggen will actually be released under the LN name or not, thus they don't want to announce it under that name until they know how it's going to be.

 

I don't really think that is the case, but this lack of information just makes the imagination run wild...

 

Alright mate, put the tin hat away. The tomcat is what you might call very popular, announcing it as their next big project created a huge amount of buzz for LN, but it's also a way down the line project. The Viggen is not nearly as popular and was supposed to come out last year. As such, when they announced the Viggen, they wanted to do it with a lot of fanfare, videos, pictures, FAQs ect, because unlike the tomcat, who's name itself generates hype, the viggen was going to have to be sold to people.

 

Delays in the project due to whatever reason have forced them to push back their schedule. They still want to do that big fanfare announcement, they're just not as ready as they thought they were, and since everyone already knows its the Viggen, they might as well wait for the announcement to be the big show they wanted it to be.

[amb]

Alright mate, put the tin hat away. The tomcat is what you might call very popular, announcing it as their next big project created a huge amount of buzz for LN, but it's also a way down the line project. The Viggen is not nearly as popular and was supposed to come out last year. As such, when they announced the Viggen, they wanted to do it with a lot of fanfare, videos, pictures, FAQs ect, because unlike the tomcat, who's name itself generates hype, the viggen was going to have to be sold to people.

 

Delays in the project due to whatever reason have forced them to push back their schedule. They still want to do that big fanfare announcement, they're just not as ready as they thought they were, and since everyone already knows its the Viggen, they might as well wait for the announcement to be the big show they wanted it to be.

 

I see your point and there's no need to be rude.

[MethWolf]

He's not being rude, he's being both polite and patient.

[Muppetlord]

Hey guys, what's going o... Oh.

 

How long will this go on I wonder.

 

[TomCatMucDe]

I see your point and there's no need to be rude.

 

you went a bit too far with consipiracy theory :)

[amb]

Well I'm totally psyched about the Viggen. The F-14 too, it was my favourite as a kid, such a huge beautiful bird, just stunning. I really hope someone buys the guys at LN cake and/or beer whenever they release these things.

 

It's a good thing I'm getting too old to play very much, otherwise I would probably fly 24/7 after release.

[BlackLion213]

If I were a suspicious person I might start guessing that maybe there's some sort of internal conflict between the Viggen team and the rest of LN which puts some uncertainty on whether the Viggen will actually be released under the LN name or not, thus they don't want to announce it under that name until they know how it's going to be.

 

I really don't think this is the case. Tirak probably has it right, LNS feels that they have to "sell" the Viggen module more than the F-14 and is waiting till they can do that right.

 

Cobra said in a prior post: http://forums.eagle.ru/showpost.php?p=2486926&postcount=1252 - that after the MiG-21 they decided to change their announcement scheme. However, they decided to announce the Tomcat because they didn't want a really prolonged period without talking about any future products. Also, there was so much excitement about the Tomcat once they started hinting that it made sense to formalize it (IMHO).

 

With the Viggen, they also need much more than just the aircraft to "complete the experience" which LNS has mentioned many times in other posts. Especially for those users who don't frequent the forum (and are less obsessed than us...) they need to have a really intriguing package to draw people in. Especially since other aircraft coming this year are the Hornet, Spitfire, and F-5E; these are pretty famous aircraft.

 

But offering a package that involves a theater, etc will really shift the balance. If anything, all of these ancillaries are a big part of the hold up, not some sort of internal strife. ;)

 

I'm a worrier by nature, but luckily these are not the things that I'm worried about. ED has already said that the Viggen should happen in the first half of 2016: http://forums.eagle.ru/showpost.php?p=2659915&postcount=13

 

That should give you some confidence, they aren't open about release dates either.

 

My 2 cents,

 

-Nick

[amb]

I really don't think this is the case. Tirak probably has it right, LNS feels that they have to "sell" the Viggen module more than the F-14 and is waiting till they can do that right.

 

Cobra said in a prior post: http://forums.eagle.ru/showpost.php?p=2486926&postcount=1252 - that after the MiG-21 they decided to change their announcement scheme. However, they decided to announce the Tomcat because they didn't want a really prolonged period without talking about any future products. Also, there was so much excitement about the Tomcat once they started hinting that it made sense to formalize it (IMHO).

 

With the Viggen, they also need much more than just the aircraft to "complete the experience" which LNS has mentioned many times in other posts. Especially for those users who don't frequent the forum (and are less obsessed than us...) they need to have a really intriguing package to draw people in. Especially since other aircraft coming this year are the Hornet, Spitfire, and F-5E; these are pretty famous aircraft.

 

But offering a package that involves a theater, etc will really shift the balance. If anything, all of these ancillaries are a big part of the hold up, not some sort of internal strife. ;)

 

I'm a worrier by nature, but luckily these are not the things that I'm worried about. ED has already said that the Viggen should happen in the first half of 2016: http://forums.eagle.ru/showpost.php?p=2659915&postcount=13

 

That should give you some confidence, they aren't open about release dates either.

 

My 2 cents,

 

-Nick

 

Cool, thanks! :thumbup:

[scaflight]

It's late March! Aaaanytime now! Just a few hours!

 

.. right?

 

Yeah right :p

[Raven68]

It's late March! Aaaanytime now! Just a few hours!

 

.. right?

 

Yeah right :p

 

I would say expect it on Thursday. Just before the weekend news and hopefully update.

[Schmidtfire]

Muppetlord: Hey guys, what's going o... Oh.

How long will this go on I wonder.

 

Hint: You play DCS with the Viggen dev-team every now and then...

Why not just ask them over teamspeak next time? :doh:

[Muppetlord]

Hint: You play DCS with the Viggen dev-team every now and then...

Why not just ask them over teamspeak next time? :doh:

 

What I meant was the drama that was taking place. Thankfully, it was short lived. Unlike the one a few pages back.

 

And even though I do play with them sometimes they're extremely vague. And I don't want to pry.

[Schmidtfire]

The dev team has a lot of love for the Viggen and I think that even the smallest details will be worth waiting for...

 

I actually wouldn't mind some kind of booklet on how a module like this gets made. All the research, pictures, interviews with pilots, coding trial/errors and all that hard work thats going into creating something like a Viggen for DCS.

[renhanxue]

I recently saw a former Lansen and AJ 37 pilot relate this anecdote and I figured I might as well stick it here:

 

On the strike side of things, we did radio silent exercises pretty often. As in, everything was pre-planned in the briefing room. Exact times for engine power up, taxiing out, take-off, strike time, as well as the type of strike, what formations to use during the mission etc. The air traffic controller was either there when the orders were given or was briefed separately so he could keep the runway and the airspace free. Then we flew the entire mission without speaking a single word on the radio until after the strike was delivered. After the strike, the flight lead called for everyone to report in. Sometimes, it could actually turn out that someone was missing, usually because they had missed the take-off or encountered some technical problem. In an emergency, we would of course break our silence.

 

Usually though, you'd know if someone was missing. We had a system where the flight lead was parked the furthest away from the runway, number 2 next to him and so on - on the wartime bases, that is. So when I as a flight lead started taxiing, I went past everyone else and looked into their cockpits - they'd do a thumbs up or thumbs down, and I'd know. Of course, pilots would sometimes have to abort at a later stage for whatever reason but that was usually not cause enough to break radio silence. The problem was if I myself as a flight lead got in trouble. Then I had to be really damn quick about informing someone, usually number three in the flight, who got to take over the lead. And I had to communicate this with maneuvering and sign language. What to do in a situation like that was naturally pre-planned too.

 

Things got even more interesting when we did exercises with other squadrons that took off from other bases and had to gather the flights in the air under radio silence. Each flight got a waypoint and a time when they were supposed to meet the other flights to gather up into a bigger strike package. You really had to be careful when calculating flight times and make really sure that you had your clocks set right.

 

It actually worked surprisingly well. The coolest experiences you got on some big joint exercises when we got to do all-E1 strikes with live weapons. First you gathered the entire strike package up, 12 or 14 flights (of four aircraft each) that all took off from separate bases, and then executing the strike with a 30 second separation between the flights. If you arrived near the end, it was usually really hard to see the targets because of all the smoke.

The target for an all-E1 strike would pretty much always be some kind of representation of a Soviet invasion fleet.

 

48 or 56 aircraft isn't that many by international standards but gathering up from all the different bases at low altitude while radio silent must've been a pretty interesting experience.

Edited March 30, 2016 by renhanxue

[mattebubben]

I recently saw a former Lansen and AJ 37 pilot relate this anecdote and I figured I might as well stick it here:

 

The target for an all-E1 strike would pretty much always be some kind of representation of a Soviet invasion fleet.

 

48 or 56 aircraft isn't that many by international standards but gathering up from all the different bases at low altitude while radio silent must've been a pretty interesting experience.

 

 

And then that would only be the strike part.

 

You would most likely have another 20-40+ fighters to keep the air clear for the fighters.

 

And its more impressive since thats pretty much half the AJ 37 fleet (108 aircraft built)

 

But that number might have included some SH 37s as they could also carry air-ship missiles.

Edited March 30, 2016 by mattebubben

[JackFlash]

Sorry if I'm not up to date on the topic, but is'nt it time for a Viggen sticky subforum?

Have we seen anything from the development and wich cockpit will be modelled?

[Schmidtfire]

AJS 37 cockpit.