2-niner Posted September 30, 2016 Posted September 30, 2016 Yes we Swedes LOVE the Viggen :D It's not very pretty to look at and its capabilities are rather modest in most areas, but it's OUR fighter. It may not be the BEST fighter but it's OUR fighter and we're damn proud of it :) (and if you understand the context it was meant to operate within it actually IS very capable)
Farks Posted September 30, 2016 Posted September 30, 2016 Renhanxue, since you like to dig in archives, would you happen to know anything about the swedish evaluation of the F-4 Phantom (as mentioned )?
renhanxue Posted September 30, 2016 Posted September 30, 2016 Renhanxue, since you like to dig in archives, would you happen to know anything about the swedish evaluation of the F-4 Phantom (as mentioned )? I don't know anything about that at all, but I bet it could be declassified today. If I could find the documents about it, that is. It's probably somewhere in the archives of Kungl. Flygförvaltningen but I don't really know where to start. Still, I'll keep it in mind - probably a lot of people would be interested in that! 1
renhanxue Posted September 30, 2016 Posted September 30, 2016 Oh wait you should have linked like 5 seconds earlier, it turns out Flygmaterielutredningen was a thing. It's classified, of course, and since it's a parliamentary committee I'm not sure how much technical stuff could be in there, but it's certainly worth a try to get declassified.
Veritech Posted September 30, 2016 Posted September 30, 2016 Thanks for the reply guys! I personally can't wait for the Viggen: is a very interesting aircraft and it is going to be the first capable dedicated strike one. Every day I get disappointed that the Viggen has not been released yet, but the enthusiasm is immense. Bring it on! [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] "Alis Aquilae Aut Pax Aut Bellum" Veritech's DCS YouTube Channel
renhanxue Posted October 1, 2016 Posted October 1, 2016 There's been a shortage of good Viggen photos in this thread recently. I present this recent finding as a partial fix:
Veritech Posted October 1, 2016 Posted October 1, 2016 Pilot wanted to check on two blond chicks and impress them. They ended up deaf. Mission accomplished hotshot! [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] "Alis Aquilae Aut Pax Aut Bellum" Veritech's DCS YouTube Channel
mattebubben Posted October 1, 2016 Posted October 1, 2016 (edited) We has a similar incident when we were out with our boat when i was young but it was a SK 60 (Saab 105) and not a Viggen. Bloody thing almost took out the tip of our mast it felt like ^^. Edited October 1, 2016 by mattebubben
JanTelefon Posted October 1, 2016 Posted October 1, 2016 (edited) In the recently declassified manual, thanks to renhanxue for that, there was a part about the RB15 sea skimming anti ship missile that caught my attention. It described how you could set the behaviour for the RB15 missile, and I took it upon myself to translate it to english. The page I translated is page 92 of the AJS37 part 3 (page 92 of the pdf that is). There is about 9 pages after that describing the various settings with images and such. As far as I can tell these are the settings you can set from the cockpit, and it seems really awesome. And here's a link to it: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1JVoI4SDFulOEPx3GnQq28QoRWdedKJeEVRCV2aYkXAk/edit?usp=sharing I was very tired, but inspired, at the time, so I apologize for any silly errors in translation and brain farts that might be in here. Also feel free to correct me if I got something wrong. Enjoy :thumbup: Edited October 1, 2016 by JanTelefon 1
renhanxue Posted October 1, 2016 Posted October 1, 2016 Nice job! I've been thinking I should write something up about the rb 04E and rb 15 since there's really not much information about them publicly available, but I haven't gotten around to it and I dunno if I will anytime soon.
Mongolf Posted October 1, 2016 Posted October 1, 2016 (edited) In the recently declassified manual, thanks to renhanxue for that, there was a part about the RB15 sea skimming anti ship missile that caught my attention. It described how you could set the behaviour for the RB15 missile, and I took it upon myself to translate it to english. The page I translated is page 92 of the AJS37 part 3 (page 92 of the pdf that is). There is about 9 pages after that describing the various settings with images and such. As far as I can tell these are the settings you can set from the cockpit, and it seems really awesome. And here's a link to it: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1JVoI4SDFulOEPx3GnQq28QoRWdedKJeEVRCV2aYkXAk/edit?usp=sharing I was very tired, but inspired, at the time, so I apologize for any silly errors in translation and brain farts that might be in here. Also feel free to correct me if I got something wrong. Enjoy :thumbup: As far i remember the Robot (missile=robot in swe) it was (always) programmed on the ground, stored on the "stick", even if there was a possibility to address parameters while airborne, it was done on the ground all times. If one thinks once and twice over the settings, it was things that pre-op gathering gave all answers on, only when engaging large fleet's of incoming hostile armadas was all the settings prearranged in the load out depending on aircraft number and squadron/four group tactics and threat analysis. All stored on the stick. Recce flights identified "most wanted" ship in the formation. And at least Rb-15 could also identify ship type, but technology behind this isn't open info yet. Rb-15 could be launched from distance and behind island "dead ground" position if u planned mission on the ground and ships was in distance from cover. Even over open sea one could make robot behave sneaky, you can see this if you watch SAAB infomercials on YouTube for the system. In game, I'm not sure how much one could programme, guessing we will have to punch it all in manually, while in cockpit. IRL it's another procedure. Example (mark 3-version, turns harder and more programmable, more resistant to ECM, in game version should be mark 1 I would imagine or mark 2 that came in the med 90-it's) Maybe this one is better (mark1-2) Edited October 1, 2016 by Mongolf 1
JanTelefon Posted October 1, 2016 Posted October 1, 2016 Yes. I do realize that in the real world the Missile would be programmed according to recon data. I was however curious if the thing even could be programmed in flight or in mission (if you were to fly something like blue flag, and the missile can't be programmed in the mission editor). It turns out that can, which makes me very happy. Even if the default settings probably will cover most situations pretty well, it's good to actually (both in game and in real life as it were) be able to tweak it should you want to. Can't wait to sink fleets with this thing. :)
mattebubben Posted October 1, 2016 Posted October 1, 2016 The RBS 15 we are getting is the RBS 15F. The RBS 15M (MK1),and the Mk2/MK3 variants are all Ship or ground launched variants. The RBS 15F is the Air launched variant of the RBS 15M and is the variant the AJS 37 will be carrying.
Mongolf Posted October 1, 2016 Posted October 1, 2016 (edited) The RBS 15 we are getting is the RBS 15F. The RBS 15M (MK1),and the Mk2/MK3 variants are all Ship or ground launched variants. The RBS 15F is the Air launched variant of the RBS 15M and is the variant the AJS 37 will be carrying. The F is the designation on the platform, in this case F for Flyg, the Mark designations is for the "generation" So Rb-15F is in versions mark1,2 0r 3, but exact specifications aren't 100% comparative so for example mark 2 surface to surface version isn't 100% same as mark 2 Air to surface robot, but generally speaking is the capabilities somewhat same, specs on envelope differ some. The fact that u generally never see mark-designations on the F version, I guess is because SAAB never marketed the F version in the same way as for the customers and pretended customers on the land base versions. Also, mark upgrade was first on land based systems first, same changes came shortly there after on the Rb-15F To clarify: the "mark designation" was used on the navy versions in the salecampaigns, but also the Rb-15F has undergone similar development. I think for example latest version that is used is Rbs-15 F ER for extended range, anti ECM and waypoint programming and general capabilities is closest matched to "mark3" somewhere in my memorie I think I've heard something about the warhead, the Airforceversion had some trick up its sleeve. If it where that it is more all round, bridge and large structure capabilities. Edited October 1, 2016 by Mongolf
mattebubben Posted October 1, 2016 Posted October 1, 2016 (edited) We will most likely get the RBS 15F (MK1) and maybe the RBS 15F Mk2 as well as it entered service in late 90s. Though while the RBS 15F MK2 has some advantages i dont know if they are enough for them two add two different variants instead of just going with the Standard 15F. Edited October 1, 2016 by mattebubben
Mongolf Posted October 1, 2016 Posted October 1, 2016 We will most likely get the RBS 15F (MK1) and maybe the RBS 15F Mk2 as well as it entered service in late 90s. Thought while the RBS 15F MK2 has some advantages i dont know if they are enough for them two add two different variants instead of just going with the Standard 15F. For the game DCS, no I don't think so, I agree on that. IRL I think the latest versions has some really clever tricks. It's a large payload, warhead can do much more then blow up the guts on ships.
Mongolf Posted October 1, 2016 Posted October 1, 2016 Are we getting Rbs-05 you think? http://www.aef.se/Flygvapnet/Notiser/Robot_05_Notis.htm (Swe sorry, try google translate)
Skjold Posted October 1, 2016 Posted October 1, 2016 RB 05 was confirmed i am fairly sure, yes. AFAIK all weapons the AJS could carry will be in including RB 04, RB 05, RBS 15, RB 75, RB 75T, BK 90, RB 74, RB 24J, 135 mm rockets, 120 kg m/71 frigo bombs etc.. The only weapon that will NOT be in is the AIM-4.
Mongolf Posted October 2, 2016 Posted October 2, 2016 RB 05 was confirmed i am fairly sure, yes. AFAIK all weapons the AJS could carry will be in including RB 04, RB 05, RBS 15, RB 75, RB 75T, BK 90, RB 74, RB 24J, 135 mm rockets, 120 kg m/71 frigo bombs etc.. The only weapon that will NOT be in is the AIM-4. Interesting, Will be challenging. :smilewink:
mattebubben Posted October 2, 2016 Posted October 2, 2016 as well as the 30mm gunpods. So everything that it used will be there. And they have also said they will include the AGM-65B as an option.
RaXha Posted October 4, 2016 Posted October 4, 2016 peep that landing gear retraction I'm pretty sure my old aviation maintenance instructor (who used to be a JA engineer) told me that the viggen display pilots usually set the gear handle to the up position before takeoff to make the gear retract as soon as there was no weight on the gear. Probably what we see in this video. :-)
Pocket Sized Posted October 11, 2016 Posted October 11, 2016 A week without any new posts? Unacceptable. This thread must move at at least M0.85 :D Something that's been bothering me for a while, is will the Viggen be able to land on a carrier? It has tough landing gear and reverse thrust. What about other factors like brake strength and the time it takes to engage reverse thrust? Also can it be engaged mid air? Takeoff will be no issue with 3 zones (or was it 4 zones?) of afterburner shoving the plane forward. DCS modules are built up to a spec, not down to a schedule. In order to utilize a system to your advantage, you must know how it works.
renhanxue Posted October 11, 2016 Posted October 11, 2016 The AB has three zones. The thrust reverser cannot be engaged in the air, there are several different safety interlocks that prevent this. Pulling the thrust reverser handle in the air just makes it automatically engage when there's weight on the right main gear (if there isn't also weight on the nose gear within one second it'll abort closing the reverser hatches until there is). Closing the hatches completely takes several seconds, which I think is going to be something of an issue when landing on a carrier.
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