JaNk0 Posted September 19, 2016 Share Posted September 19, 2016 Reading the manual and amazed how complex this aircraft really is. Leatherneck, how much of the complex radar systems will be implemented in the sim? [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JaNk0 Posted September 19, 2016 Share Posted September 19, 2016 What is it from high altitude, eg >20,000 feet? If i read correctly, 100 meters AGL and mach 0.9 respective 0.7. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
renhanxue Posted September 19, 2016 Share Posted September 19, 2016 What is it from high altitude, eg >20,000 feet? Manual says not to launch it above 500m AGL. No idea why, though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
renhanxue Posted September 19, 2016 Share Posted September 19, 2016 Reading the manual and amazed how complex this aircraft really is. what do you mean, complex? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
microvax Posted September 19, 2016 Share Posted September 19, 2016 Manual says not to launch it above 500m AGL. No idea why, though. Maybee because BK90 has a radar altimeter and that only works up to 500m ? But the graphs given should make range calcs from other altitudes doable. Kinda surprised expected 10km at 50m at mach 0.9. Thats the info I had so far, but well, not going to argue with the Manual, I guess. :D But I didnt see how to target it, so it could well be that the range in the graphs is for turn up to N degrees on final for release heading and the 10km is the range at which it will stall with given params. Would seem reasonable with 7.2km max range. Will be interesting to employ. 100m at 7.2 km is kinda dangerous at M0.9 for engaging any serious SAM systems. Question will probably be, how low you can release the thing. 20m at 4-5km seem way more attractive to me in that case. Question there is not really the range but, how low can you go, without getting into tunguska gun range. ;) Its indeed pretty complicated and HELL is it an complicated plane for early 1970s. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] *unexpected flight behaviour* Oh shiii*** ! What ? Why ? What is happening ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JaNk0 Posted September 19, 2016 Share Posted September 19, 2016 Manual says not to launch it above 500m AGL. No idea why, though. Could it have something to do with the radar? [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BravoYankee4 Posted September 20, 2016 Share Posted September 20, 2016 get hype, etc The still classified chapter is on ECM and RWR, stuff about bk 90 and RBS 15 is in here Do you realize that every time you de-classify a document like this and make it available you are delaying the release of the Viggen module? ;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NeilWillis Posted September 20, 2016 Share Posted September 20, 2016 Do you realize that every time you de-classify a document like this and make it available you are delaying the release of the Viggen module? ;) And a fairy dies in Sweden! :( :( :( Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goblin Posted September 20, 2016 Share Posted September 20, 2016 Do you realize that every time you de-classify a document like this and make it available you are delaying the release of the Viggen module? ;) Sacrifices has to be made, at the altar of realism... ;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
microvax Posted September 20, 2016 Share Posted September 20, 2016 Do you realize that every time you de-classify a document like this and make it available you are delaying the release of the Viggen module? ;) Honestly I am happy waiting another 6 months instead of post release rework apocalypse. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] *unexpected flight behaviour* Oh shiii*** ! What ? Why ? What is happening ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
renhanxue Posted September 20, 2016 Share Posted September 20, 2016 (edited) Do you realize that every time you de-classify a document like this and make it available you are delaying the release of the Viggen module? ;) I'm done now though, I think I got all the SFI's for the AJ(S) 37 that are actually in the national archives library declassified. so, two weeks? Edited September 20, 2016 by renhanxue Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TomCatMucDe Posted September 20, 2016 Share Posted September 20, 2016 Honestly I am happy waiting another 6 months instead of post release rework apocalypse. You are alone to want to wait 6 months :p Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
probad Posted September 20, 2016 Share Posted September 20, 2016 he's not alone the f-5 launch demonstrated it's really better to hold off and release a more polished product. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rangi Posted September 21, 2016 Share Posted September 21, 2016 I am lonely, but never alone and neither is microvax. I want it too be great, not fast. I had to google ":p", but still not sure what it means in this context? 1 PC: 6600K @ 4.5 GHz, 12GB RAM, GTX 970, 32" 2K monitor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
das Rindvieh Posted September 21, 2016 Share Posted September 21, 2016 he's not alone the f-5 launch demonstrated it's really better to hold off and release a more polished product. But the F-5 is "Early-Access"... So, no one has to complain about the bugs, nor an unpolished product. People should know, what they are buying. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foxmaner Posted September 21, 2016 Share Posted September 21, 2016 First People complain about viggen not being released and they want a early access. And then they complain about early access products not being complete... Skickat från min SM-A310F via Tapatalk 1 [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JaNk0 Posted September 21, 2016 Share Posted September 21, 2016 First People complain about viggen not being released and they want a early access. And then they complain about early access products not being complete... Skickat från min SM-A310F via Tapatalk It's the "I eat because I'm sad, I'm sad because I eat" -logic. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
microvax Posted September 21, 2016 Share Posted September 21, 2016 LNS isnt going for early access but for direct release as they said to minimize resources needed for post release reworks. So yeah happy to wait until its ready ! :D [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] *unexpected flight behaviour* Oh shiii*** ! What ? Why ? What is happening ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeMikeJuliet Posted September 21, 2016 Share Posted September 21, 2016 As the saying goes: Fast, cheap, good; choose 2. And software developement in general shows us, that if a product is rusheds it's rarely, if ever working properly and feature-complete. If you release early/ in time and it sucks, in peoples mind it sucks. If you delay and deliver a proper working product, they will forget the whole delay after they get their hands on it. DCS Finland | SF squadron Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pocket Sized Posted September 21, 2016 Share Posted September 21, 2016 DCS modules are built up to a spec, not down to a schedule. In order to utilize a system to your advantage, you must know how it works. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rlaxoxo Posted September 22, 2016 Share Posted September 22, 2016 As the saying goes: Fast, cheap, good; choose 2. And software developement in general shows us, that if a product is rusheds it's rarely, if ever working properly and feature-complete. If you release early/ in time and it sucks, in peoples mind it sucks. If you delay and deliver a proper working product, they will forget the whole delay after they get their hands on it. Idd, People want it NOW and if they get it and it's shit they start complaining ... It would be great not to go on long Hypetrains if possible for this reason [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Youtube Reddit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
probad Posted September 22, 2016 Share Posted September 22, 2016 It would be great not to go on long Hypetrains if possible for this reason that's exactly why ln never intended the viggen to be revealed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fdswer Posted September 22, 2016 Share Posted September 22, 2016 First People complain about viggen not being released and they want a early access. And then they complain about early access products not being complete... Skickat från min SM-A310F via Tapatalk It happened with the M2000c release, people begging for it to some out early and when it did a lot of the same people were complaining about about bugs and missing features. Razbam was more then honest about what early access was going to have but lots of people still didn't listen and bought it anyways. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paradox Posted September 22, 2016 Share Posted September 22, 2016 It happened with the M2000c release, people begging for it to some out early and when it did a lot of the same people were complaining about about bugs and missing features. Razbam was more then honest about what early access was going to have but lots of people still didn't listen and bought it anyways. In the case of the M2000C though the core module was still quite good on initial "release" It's hard to know where to draw that line I suppose Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scaflight Posted September 23, 2016 Share Posted September 23, 2016 It happened with the M2000c release, people begging for it to some out early and when it did a lot of the same people were complaining about about bugs and missing features. Razbam was more then honest about what early access was going to have but lots of people still didn't listen and bought it anyways. "a lot of the same people" citation needed. ;) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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