Air refueling

[QuiGon]

Sure you know what is "this" exactly. There are several (more than one) topics about "this" and still no response from developers.

I know that they`re quite busy now but `d like to see something like this "we are aware of this and will fix it".

 

Fix what?

[VTJS17_Fire]

I think, he means the increasing tanker speed after the probe is released. Besides that, aerial refueling is working fine. The radio comms, as well.

 

We set the tanker at 19.000 feet with 440 kts in the mission editor, which are 325 KIAS ingame. So, the speed increase is only about 25 to 35 knots.

[Azrayen]

Sure you know what is "this" exactly.

OK then, if you know better than me what I think, I won't try more and will let you write your own answer. Enjoy :)

[gospadin]

Uh oh...

It's "late" but just in case: gospadin, you made a mistake.

The switch you're referring to is not a radio selector.

 

The radio selector is on the throttle (will be if not already fixed in DCS) with a 3-position combo selector+PTT. Positions are:

(spring loaded) Select radio 1 & PTT / Standby / (spring loaded) Select radio 2 & PTT

 

The switch you mentionned is to choose the audio amplifier. 1 is default, 2 is standby. Not very useful to simulate...

 

 

What is "this" exactly? Refueling itself?

Long time it works :) perhaps explains the silence ;)

 

ok thanks for the info

[azm]

Enjoy :)

I really do :pilotfly:

[gavagai]

I think, he means the increasing tanker speed after the probe is released.

 

"This" is driving me crazy.:joystick: I have to get into a very precise position for the tanker to extend the basket, and then he accelerates away. The tanker also changes its airspeed multiple times while you attempt to refuel (I checked this with F2 view).

 

I succeeded at refueling, nonetheless, if he flies straight and level, but if he starts turning too it's a giant fail.

 

What should I do with the mission editor to stop the tanker from changing its airspeed?

 

Thanks!

[nomdeplume]

What should I do with the mission editor to stop the tanker from changing its airspeed?

All you can really do at the moment is make the tanker fly at its maximum possible speed, so it's unable to accelerate further. Try mashing 9999 into the speed field, might have to experiment with different altitudes too.

[Harke]

Refueling is hard as hell in OB 1.5.5, it's really hard to stabilize the plane even in charge mode

[jojo]

Set the tanker speed to be 300kt IAS and it won't accelerate.

 

You will have to convert the speed since ME is in TAS. There are plenty of internet sites to do that (the main factor being altitude).

And a few knots off because of different QNH or temperature won't change your business that much...

 

On top of that, 300kt IAS (ok it isn't really IAS for purist buy you get it) really is the target speed for AAR.

[Gladman]

Are you flying with FBW on when tanking? Much easier if you shut it off.

[myHelljumper]

Are you flying with FBW on when tanking? Much easier if you shut it off.

 

:megalol:

[wolle]

Are you flying with FBW on when tanking? Much easier if you shut it off.

 

What do you mean? Which switch in the cockpit turns it off? The main problem for me is that the FBW system always retrims, so if you make a small correction by pulling on the stick, once you release the plane will be trimmed in a nose up position and keep flying up rather than making a small corrections only. If that can be turned off, that would help enormously.

 

Thanks,

 

Wolle

[Gladman]

I started turning off the FBW Gain switch. Its the one to the left of the AA/AG(Charges) switch under the landing gear handle. It has a red cover on it. Take a look at Charlies guide, its on page 113.

 

I know the books say the Mirage will go nuts and become unflyable but in reality (at this time), it makes the aircraft much more responsive to input required for refueling in my opinion. Never had any issue at all once I employed this method other than having to spend time on it. I have been trying to get it working for me in the "normal" mode but it is much more challenging. Unnecessarily so I would think.

[wolle]

I started turning off the FBW Gain switch. Its the one to the left of the AA/AG(Charges) switch under the landing gear handle. It has a red cover on it. Take a look at Charlies guide, its on page 113.

 

I know the books say the Mirage will go nuts and become unflyable but in reality (at this time), it makes the aircraft much more responsive to input required for refueling in my opinion. Never had any issue at all once I employed this method other than having to spend time on it. I have been trying to get it working for me in the "normal" mode but it is much more challenging. Unnecessarily so I would think.

 

Thanks! Will try this!

[SageOT]

Are you flying with FBW on when tanking? Much easier if you shut it off.

When were you going to share this with the rest of your group? Or did you just want to keep it to yourself and look cool while the rest of us bounced around like Flipper on meth....

[Gladman]

When were you going to share this with the rest of your group? Or did you just want to keep it to yourself and look cool while the rest of us bounced around like Flipper on meth....

 

Um, I..... Er...

 

Hey Sage shut off the FBW, it'll be easier to tank!!!

[Azrayen]

What do you mean? Which switch in the cockpit turns it off?

None.

You can't fly the aircraft without FBW; it's a misunderstanding to think you can do so. :smartass:

 

The "gains" switch switches from permanently calculated FBW gains to fixed ones (one for flight ~300kt when L/G is up, one for approach/landing ~150kt when L/G is down).

[Lorenzo.D]

None.

You can't fly the aircraft without FBW; it's a misunderstanding to think you can do so. :smartass:

 

The "gains" switch switches from permanently calculated FBW gains to fixed ones (one for flight ~300kt when L/G is up, one for approach/landing ~150kt when L/G is down).

What?

 

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[Azrayen]

What what ?

[Rlaxoxo]

[ZHeN]

[jojo]

FBW takes input orders from the pilots through controls (stick & rudder), computers mix that with air pressure, speed, temperature, AoA, G load, FBW configuration switch (AA/ CHARGES), landing gear up/ down...whatever you want and produce output orders to control surfaces.

 

The output orders depend on variable gains which depend on all variables named above (and maybe more).

 

You have 3 computers running in parallel to produce these orders and cross-checking.

When things goes south and the cross-check fails (damage, failure...), the system can no longer adapt and can't computes gains for all flights conditions.

 

So you revert to fixed values and limited flight envelope.

 

This is what the "GAINS: NORM/ SEC" switch does.

SEC = fixes values.

[Whisper]

I'm afraid the "FBW off" myth will never die :(

[Harke]

And your trick don't work on 1.5.5 OB :p

[VTJS17_Fire]

It's just practise! Coming from the F-15 without FBW and doing aerial refueling fine, it was hard to convert to the M-2000C with its FBW. The probe&drogue system was new to master, as well.

 

Another issue for me was, that I'm using a 9 year old X-52 (non Pro, unmodded, worn-out axis) for that. :D

 

But "

". ;)