-7th-Kilgore Posted December 26, 2015 Posted December 26, 2015 Tried tinkering with the IFF and I can't seem to get it going. The manual wasn't much help either. Anyone got IFF figured out yet? [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]
winchesterdelta1 Posted December 26, 2015 Posted December 26, 2015 It doesn't work. I hope this gets fixed fast. Go in close, and when you think you are too close, go in closer.
Random Posted December 26, 2015 Posted December 26, 2015 Definately need some form of IFF... Afaik all dcs modules fudge it since its all rather classified!
Steggles Posted December 26, 2015 Posted December 26, 2015 I believe it was said somewhere that the IFF would not be functioning when the beta was released. I can't remember where I seen it written. -16AGR- 16th Air Guards Regiment is always looking for pilots - http://www.16agr.com EWRS - Early Warning Radar Script Specs: Gigabyte Sniper Z5-S Intel i5-4670k 3.4GHz OC'd 3.9GHz w/ Thermaltake 120mm Water 3.0 Pro Liquid CPU Cooler 16GB RAM Gigabyte GTX 1080 TM Hotas Warthog: SN: 06976 Saitek Pro Flight Combat Rudder Pedals TrackIR5 with TrackClipPro & Oculus Rift 2x 28" 4k UHD Monitors (3840x2160 each) + 1280x1024
Falcon_S Posted December 26, 2015 Posted December 26, 2015 What you guys do when you need to identify friend or foe? Ask on chat? Or just shot and wait IFF on chat? :huh: ...beta... Offtopic: BETA is for limited number of users and for testing. I do not understand how people are not ashamed to proclaim something as BETA if even the basic functions such as IFF not work or even worse thing is sell something like that. Quote Немој ништа силом, узми већи чекић! MSI Tomahawk MAX | Ryzen 7 3700x | 32GB DDR4 3200MHz | RX 5700 XT OC Red Dragon 8GB | VPC Throttle CM3 + VPC Constellation ALPHA on VPC WarBRD Base | HP Reverb G2 Youtube | Follow Me on TWITCH!
mattebubben Posted December 26, 2015 Posted December 26, 2015 What you guys do when you need to identify friend or foe? Ask on chat? Or just shot and wait IFF on chat? Offtopic: BETA is for limited number of users and for testing. I do not understand how people are not ashamed to proclaim something as BETA if even the basic functions such as IFF not work or even worse thing is sell something like that. The mirage 2000C is in alot better state then most other 3rd party modules that where launched in a beta state... And beta in this game very much means that its a work in progress. Its not like what large game devs do with betas a week or two before launch. There are some modules that have been out for a year + that are less refined then this is. And the features that are missing are mostly stuff that should not be to impossible to add in the near future.
Falcon_S Posted December 26, 2015 Posted December 26, 2015 (edited) Dear mattebubben , can you answer on my questions please. EDIT: Not necessary. Azrayen answer me in the next post. Enjoy! :) Edited December 26, 2015 by Falcon_S Quote Немој ништа силом, узми већи чекић! MSI Tomahawk MAX | Ryzen 7 3700x | 32GB DDR4 3200MHz | RX 5700 XT OC Red Dragon 8GB | VPC Throttle CM3 + VPC Constellation ALPHA on VPC WarBRD Base | HP Reverb G2 Youtube | Follow Me on TWITCH!
Azrayen Posted December 26, 2015 Posted December 26, 2015 I believe it was said somewhere that the IFF would not be functioning when the beta was released. I can't remember where I seen it written. Indeed it was. IFF is only one way to tell who's who IRL. The kind you got in DCS is a bit too much "magical" ;) While waiting for the thing to be implemented, you may want to try other ways, such as: - rayguns calls if MP with humans - controlled missions (LotAtc...) - combine RWR & radar data, along with briefing intel (e.g. your radar sees something, your RWR tells you it's a MiG-23, your briefing told you MiG-23s were bad guys...) - or the good old Mk1 eyeball (denying the ability to do BVR shots, obviously). Sure, the feature is needed. But sometimes (most times?) IRL you can't rely "just" on it. Let's pretend :)
LuSi_6 Posted December 26, 2015 Posted December 26, 2015 no IFF is here more realistic than FC3 IFF. Most BVR is and was forbidden by ROE because of very poor IFF, even today! BVR is only cleared if AWACS (or similar) gives clearance to do so = target is 100% not a friendly and not civilian. just don't go by FC3 IFF standard which couldn't be more far from RL :pilotfly: Warthog HOTAS, Saitek Pedals, Oculus Rift :joystick:
Nealius Posted December 26, 2015 Posted December 26, 2015 Or instead of IFF you could just use situational awareness and good communication...
jojo Posted December 26, 2015 Posted December 26, 2015 Use AWACS, lock target and call for "DECLARE" Mirage fanatic ! I7-7700K/ MSI RTX3080/ RAM 64 Go/ SSD / TM Hornet stick-Virpil WarBRD + Virpil CM3 Throttle + MFG Crosswind + Reverb G2. Flickr gallery: https://www.flickr.com/gp/71068385@N02/728Hbi
GGTharos Posted December 26, 2015 Posted December 26, 2015 Most BVR is and was forbidden by ROE because of very poor IFF, even today! BVR is only cleared if AWACS (or similar) gives clearance to do so = target is 100% not a friendly and not civilian. AWACS is one part of the EID matrix and not even always a necessary one. This isn't Vietnam/Korea. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Reminder: SAM = Speed Bump :D I used to play flight sims like you, but then I took a slammer to the knee - Yoda
LuSi_6 Posted December 26, 2015 Posted December 26, 2015 no, it's the way it still works today. no AWACS no BVR clearance. This was the case duiring Desert Storm, Balkan wars and last Iraq war. IFF fails much to often to be called a reliable thing :pilotfly: Warthog HOTAS, Saitek Pedals, Oculus Rift :joystick:
GGTharos Posted December 26, 2015 Posted December 26, 2015 (edited) no, it's the way it still works today. no AWACS no BVR clearance. This was the case duiring Desert Storm, Balkan wars and last Iraq war. IFF fails much to often to be called a reliable thing No, it isn't. In particular certain aircraft can run EID that does not require AWACS at all. But since the AWACS IS there and it's presence will also enhance your SA, you may as well use it. Depending on the mission/tactics you might be radar silent as well, allowing you some measure of surprise. Edited December 26, 2015 by GGTharos [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Reminder: SAM = Speed Bump :D I used to play flight sims like you, but then I took a slammer to the knee - Yoda
winchesterdelta1 Posted December 26, 2015 Posted December 26, 2015 (edited) Sorry... I do use Raygun Calls in chat but most people dont respond. Even when i call my position in from where i lock them up from. A lot of people are not that skilled they can say in a hectic Mp environment if that raygun call is for them.. Or they are being locked by a bandit just as the raygun call go's out. Also AWACS is bugged still gives radar ghosts. And most servers have all planes on both sides. And last of all... I don't have a entire Command and Control Team talking to me telling me what is friend or foe when i join a multiplayer game. If you don't want unrealistic IFF please give me full AWACS simulation, CGI simulation and train the entire server in Military procedures. Otherwise you guy's are just bullshitting. This no IFF is no joke. It only works when you have 10 other systems supporting you that can tell you what is friend or what is foe. Or i highly controlled mission where you know from the beginning what planes are friend or foe. Yesterday i was flying with a F-15 buddy for a long time that could IFF for me.. But than he left. So what next? Should i leave as well? Edited December 26, 2015 by winchesterdelta1 Go in close, and when you think you are too close, go in closer.
Azrayen Posted December 26, 2015 Posted December 26, 2015 winchesterdelta1, I'm sure Razbam will get you (and us) the IFF interrogator. They just didn't for now. Yes, because of this, you can't fly efficiently on massive open MP servers where it's "hectic". And yes, this way of flying is one way of flying, not everyone's (and not that realistic either). Just sayin' ;) Happy flights.
winchesterdelta1 Posted December 26, 2015 Posted December 26, 2015 I know that its coming and i have to do without it for now. That is okay. But what bothers me is that people act like it's not a big deal. Just because they play differently. But i'm having fun now with this module. It's not the end of the world. But it is something we really need. Go in close, and when you think you are too close, go in closer.
Hadwell Posted December 26, 2015 Posted December 26, 2015 Real or not, people are going to go online and shoot down a butt ton of friendlies and not give a crap about looking to see if it's friendly or not, the way DCS's LOD system works, it's impossible to id someone by the mk.1 eyeball from any distance except directly beside someone, so IFF is really more of a necessity, if you want a plane to be popular online in dogfight servers, not just in set up scenarios. sometimes you just have to say "screw realism" and this is one of those times. the way it is in the fc3 planes or the mig-21 My youtube channel Remember: the fun is in the fight, not the kill, so say NO! to the AIM-120. System specs:ROG Maximus XI Hero, Intel I9 9900K, 32GB 3200MHz ram, EVGA 1080ti FTW3, Samsung 970 EVO 1TB NVME, 27" Samsung SA350 1080p, 27" BenQ GW2765HT 1440p, ASUS ROG PG278Q 1440p G-SYNC Controls: Saitekt rudder pedals,Virpil MongoosT50 throttle, warBRD base, CM2 stick, TrackIR 5+pro clip, WMR VR headset. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]
jojo Posted December 26, 2015 Posted December 26, 2015 FOR CHRIST SAKE YOU WILL GET IFF WHEN IT'S READY. NO ONE EVER SAID M-2000C WON'T HAVE IFF. STOP WHINING !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Mirage fanatic ! I7-7700K/ MSI RTX3080/ RAM 64 Go/ SSD / TM Hornet stick-Virpil WarBRD + Virpil CM3 Throttle + MFG Crosswind + Reverb G2. Flickr gallery: https://www.flickr.com/gp/71068385@N02/728Hbi
myHelljumper Posted December 26, 2015 Posted December 26, 2015 Real or not, people are going to go online and shoot down a butt ton of friendlies and not give a crap about looking to see if it's friendly or not, the way DCS's LOD system works, it's impossible to id someone by the mk.1 eyeball from any distance except directly beside someone, so IFF is really more of a necessity, if you want a plane to be popular online in dogfight servers, not just in set up scenarios. sometimes you just have to say "screw realism" and this is one of those times. the way it is in the fc3 planes or the mig-21 I do not agree, model it as it is and not as it have to be for the sake of multiplayer Helljumper - M2000C Guru Helljumper's Youtube https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCK3rTjezLUxPbWHvJJ3W2fA
*Rage* Posted December 26, 2015 Posted December 26, 2015 To everyone discounting MP......it is a crucial part of a modules success and Razbam need to make a profit. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] 64th "Scorpions" Aggressor Squadron Discord: 64th Aggressor Squadron TS: 195.201.110.22
PiedDroit Posted December 26, 2015 Posted December 26, 2015 To everyone discounting MP......it is a crucial part of a modules success and Razbam need to make a profit. IFF will be included eventually, don't worry. I mean, if people focused on MP can't use it without IFF, then wait for it to be implemented. Profit will come. I'm pretty sure there's a good reason why it's not available yet.
dartuil Posted December 26, 2015 Posted December 26, 2015 IFF will be in dont worry buddies! Some thing are classified so razbam will do it the best they can! i7 2600k -- Noctua NH-D14--Asrock Z75 Pro3--ASUS GTX970 Strix --16Go Ripjaws X 1333--Thermaltake Smart M650--CoolerMaster Silencio 652S--AOC E2752VQ-- Sandisk Extreme II 480GB--Saitek X-52 Pro --SAITEK PZ35 Pedals
King_Hrothgar Posted December 27, 2015 Posted December 27, 2015 DCS doesn't really do IFF or ECM other than through magic and BS, so I don't think it will take too long for it to be added. It is important though, so the sooner the better.
domini99 Posted December 27, 2015 Posted December 27, 2015 I'll keep saying this.... Add goddamn AWACS to missions! No online missions ever seem to be running with an AWACS.
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