What is actually the new BTF campaign ?

[jfri]

I get the impression that it is some kind of alternative to the training tutorials apart from combat not being covered. I have done the training tutorials many times. Does this new campaign offers something I don't already got. One specific thing to ask about. In the description it's said that

'you will fly 12 performance check rides to execute against pre-defined performance objectives. If successful, you will earn a “Qualified” rating and proceed to the next performance objective.'

What does 'proceed to next performance objective mean' ?

Anyone have tried this out yet ?

[WildBillKelsoe]

I have the advanced which leads me to think its more about "starter" package of getting introduced to A-10C. Frankly, I think its great for the newbies but for 5 years of flying I think I can skip to advanced.

 

I think 12 objectives are required to get into the "how do I fire this thing" class next.

 

In simpler terms, you bought a car, now you get to "know" your car a bit like reading the introduction section of your car manual. Where the ignition is, the console, how to back up, how to get on time, how to use the folding mirrors, how to gas your car (like where the cap is and how to open it) how to change CD's, load music change climate control, adjust seats, etc...

 

Then I suspect something advanced will come next, like how to perform loops, how to change the 3rd gear into 4th without breaking the transmission, how to open the oil and check for consistency, how to drift, etc..

 

Maybe later something like motor overhauls, how to minimise spoiler drag, how to clean the gears of the gearbox, etc...

 

Baby steps

[Sabre-TLA]

You can read about the history of this campaign on this thread.

[Mtnbiker1998]

...like how to perform loops...

 

Are we still talking about cars? :lol:

[Scooternutz]

Well my new BFF is Sithsp....Oh, BTF, got it.

[WildBillKelsoe]

Are we still talking about cars? :lol:

 

I know... :)

[baltic_dragon]

You can read about the history of this campaign on this thread.

 

Congrats on having it out, Sabre! Well done! :thumbup:

[mytai01]

I'll tell you exactly what this BTF is...IRRITATING! CADET!?! There are no cadets in A-10C training. By the time you get to A-10 training you're already a commissioned officer (1st or 2nd lieutenant). The trainer is going to address you as, "lieutenant!" not "Cadet!"

[Avantar]

I'll tell you exactly what this BTF is...IRRITATING! CADET!?! There are no cadets in A-10C training. By the time you get to A-10 training you're already a commissioned officer (1st or 2nd lieutenant). The trainer is going to address you as, "lieutenant!" not "Cadet!"

 

He's got some point, Sabre :-) although, the overall idea is nice: the campaign really lets you practice some somewhat more advanced flying before getting down to serious business in combat campaigns. The true benefit would be if we got "combat mission ready" training as well.

[Sabre-TLA]

He's got some point, Sabre :-) although, the overall idea is nice: the campaign really lets you practice some somewhat more advanced flying before getting down to serious business in combat campaigns. The true benefit would be if we got "combat mission ready" training as well.

 

Yes this is just our first incantation. We are planning on redoing the voice overs so will remove the Cadet references.

 

We have an Advanced Aircraft Training campaign coming that covers weapons systems and once qualified would rate you Basic Mission Capable (BMC). After that there is a Tactical Training Campaign that covers JTAC/AFAC, CAS, CSAR, Deep Interdiction, etc. Once qualified that would give you Combat Mission Ready (CMR).

 

You can read about the history of these campaigns in this thread.

[Avantar]

Ah, indeed Sabre - there are Advanced and Tactical trainings for A-10C :D Great! I didn't see any for F-15 and assumed it's like this for every platform, but I am (gladly) mistaken.

 

BTW, are they going to be sold by ED as well? I'd be happy to buy them for A-10 but rather have them from official store - that means waiting for 2 other parts, right?

 

Thanks for the update Sabre!

[Sabre-TLA]

Ah, indeed Sabre - there are Advanced and Tactical trainings for A-10C :D Great! I didn't see any for F-15 and assumed it's like this for every platform, but I am (gladly) mistaken.

 

BTW, are they going to be sold by ED as well? I'd be happy to buy them for A-10 but rather have them from official store - that means waiting for 2 other parts, right?

 

Thanks for the update Sabre!

 

Yes they are coming including F-15C, MiG-29G and Su-27! We need to update the audio to a higher quality standard and ED still has to approve the content.

 

This will delay some of the other campaign work in progress (Su-25, Su-25T, Su-33 and MiG-21) but hopefully we will get the audio to the right levels and then the campaigns should come out quicker.

[Sabre-TLA]

Congrats on having it out, Sabre! Well done! :thumbup:

 

Thanks Baltic. You lead the way!

 

Looking forward to trying your new campaigns when they are out.

[Remarkymarkable]

I'm on step three of the training and the thing has me flying heading 260 at 260 knots at 8000 ft

forever. I'm 35 miles out over the ocean and I get no further instructions. If I deviate from my

heading, speed or altitude, I get a reprimand. How long does this take? Anyone fly it before?

I can't take much more of this!

[Sabre-TLA]

I'm on step three of the training and the thing has me flying heading 260 at 260 knots at 8000 ft

forever. I'm 35 miles out over the ocean and I get no further instructions. If I deviate from my

heading, speed or altitude, I get a reprimand. How long does this take? Anyone fly it before?

I can't take much more of this!

 

Sounds like you missed a trigger when you turned from WP2. Did you hear the PO Start message at WP2?

 

Try making your turn more aggressive to get on heading faster. We will look at making the zone bigger in the next update so it's harder to miss.

 

Here is how the mission should play out:

 

Edited March 22, 2016 by Sabre-TLA

[Remarkymarkable]

Hi Sabre, thanks for your reply. No, I didn't get the PO start message

[Sabre-TLA]

Hi Sabre, thanks for your reply. No, I didn't get the PO start message

 

Try flying straight to WP 2 once you takeoff. The mission is setup to meet the FE at WP 2 and then turn back towards Batumi. I'll check the triggers to make sure nothing is amiss.

 

EDIT: Retested ok. Don't turn before you hit WP 2 even if the route marker changes. Then you will hear the Start PO message.

Edited March 23, 2016 by Sabre-TLA

[Remarkymarkable]

OK, thanks. I've done the ocean flight twice now, not fun.

[Remarkymarkable]

I'm wondering at what altitude should I make the turn after takeoff, also if it's OK to use

auto pilot during these missions?

[Sabre-TLA]

OK, thanks. I've done the ocean flight twice now, not fun.

 

Yes these missions will be very frustrating if not flown precisely to the briefing.

 

There was a set of practice missions that didn't make the first release due to an installer problem.

 

The intent being that you fly the practice mission first until you are confident then try the campaign qualification mission. The practice missions have runway or in-air starts so you don't have to repeat the lengthy A-10C start-up procedure each time. They should be available in the next update.

 

It's a challenge to predict every player's action but we have done our best to make the triggers robust. Keep reporting feedback and we will adjust the triggers if necessary.

[Sabre-TLA]

I'm wondering at what altitude should I make the turn after takeoff, also if it's OK to use

auto pilot during these missions?

 

The altitude turn is up to you but certainly after your aircraft is in clean configuration (gear and flaps up).

 

Usually the Flight Examiner will advise when autopilot can be used (that's actually one of the tests in one of the missions) but we don't penalize you if you do.

[Remarkymarkable]

Ok thanks, I made it to the cross-wind leg of the pattern and got flown into the side of

a mountain! I guess I missed another trigger? Why isn't the altitude based on radar

altitude?

[Sabre-TLA]

Ok thanks, I made it to the cross-wind leg of the pattern and got flown into the side of

a mountain! I guess I missed another trigger? Why isn't the altitude based on radar

altitude?

 

It is coded to what your HUD display or Altimeter reading is provided you set QFE correctly but if you are off altitude there are triggers that should tell you.

 

What was the last message you heard?

 

I suspect it was this one: "Make a left turn into the Crosswind Leg heading 040. Maintain the pattern altitude and between 200 and 250 knots."

 

if you are off heading somewhat that's ok (there is some leeway) but ensure you fly to the next waypoint as the trigger zones are tagged to the waypoints. The heading is a guidance instruction but you still have to get to the waypoint.

 

The next instructions you should hear at WP5:

 

"Make a left turn into the Downwind Leg heading 300. Maintain the pattern altitude and between 200 and 250 knots."

 

Again fly to the waypoint for the next instruction. If you are hitting the waypoints directly then the trigger zones should fire unless there is a different problem going on.

 

If you don't hear a trigger follow the flight plan anyway as the next waypoint might give you a different instruction.

Edited March 23, 2016 by Sabre-TLA

[Remarkymarkable]

This campaign is messed up, I have the FE telling me to turn, then terminates me for going

off-course. I quit

[Sabre-TLA]

This campaign is messed up, I have the FE telling me to turn, then terminates me for going

off-course. I quit

 

Not sure what you are doing but have you compared your flight path to these videos: