We need new stuff for KA-50 Flag ship

[rrohde]

Who is doing the Cobra and Hind? This is the first I've heard of these.

 

Belsimtek will be making those! :thumbup:

[Fri13]

Who is doing the Cobra and Hind? This is the first I've heard of these.

 

Belsimtek, AH-1W and Mi-24P are the variants.

 

So you get to shoot TOW and you get to fire 30mm cannon.

 

 

And I too wish that KA-50 could get some improvements to the cockpit etc. As it isn't nice to read text "unavailable" or so. And I would welcome a improved Skhval screen, that would be more difficult to be seen.

Modders could do fancy things, like start releasing different kind variants.

 

 

That would be nice thing to fly....

Edited April 6, 2016 by Fri13

[Jowen G. Bruère-Dawson]

Its true there is a lot of threads like this... But there is a reason in my opinion.. Maybe we indeed need an upgrade of the black shark.. A2A missiles for me please .. textures a good in my opinion. An RWR too if possible

[Maulkin]

I would be happy just with a texture/model upgrade and nothing else. TBH I love the Ka-50 feature-set exactly as it is. Warts and all. It is still my favorite module followed closely by the M-2000C. I think it is the weaknesses that you have to work around that gives it its charm.

 

Same reason I really like the Uh-1H except that heli always tries to kill me whenever I try to land the thing. ;)

[Vitormouraa]

Its true there is a lot of threads like this... But there is a reason in my opinion.. Maybe we indeed need an upgrade of the black shark.. A2A missiles for me please .. textures a good in my opinion. An RWR too if possible

 

They said million times, why is it so hard to understand? it's not so simple as you think, "just do it"..

Edited April 6, 2016 by Vitormouraa

[kilix]

how many times does it need to be said?

Real Ka-50 has no A2A missiles and no RWR. So it won't have that in DCS. Ever.

You may as well wish to have it equipped with a pair of S-400 missiles. It's just as realistic as RWR.

[rrohde]

A more sensible "upgrade" might be a) the Night Hunter variant with FLIR, and b) having GPS for NTTR navigation. No?

[King_Hrothgar]

The basic Ka-50 could use some love. ED does still sell copies of it fairly regularly so a graphics update (mainly in cockpit) is appropriate. Now yes, I would love a Ka-52 or Ka-50N, but those are requests for totally new modules without touching the existing Ka-50. I strongly support both ideas, but the latter is OT.

[BodyOrgan]

All I want is a Ka-50 with an RWR, and some chaff. Come on Russia, build my personal Black Shark!

[BaD CrC]

Don't really want new stuff. I just want the old stuff back like naval ops, kh25 launch capability, and NTTR coordinate compliance.

[Rogue Trooper]

Don't really want new stuff. I just want the old stuff back like naval ops, kh25 launch capability, and NTTR coordinate compliance.

 

Yep I agree!

However we also need new key binds which are simply mandatory and something afforded to all other modules.

And why not just make Devrim's pit a standard install option.

 

job done..... or is it? :D

[Xxx]

The Samsheet 50, designated UOMZ.

 

Since 1997, this has enabled night time combat in the Ka 50. With fully infrared targeting!

 

 

Now that I can fly with full JTAC support enabled, courtesy of TurboHog's mod.

I recently flew the " Smerch hunt", substituting the A10C with our Black Shark. The one thing that was noticeable was the lack of an I.R. imager. Picking out those targets, at a safe range was more challenging!;)

 

I recommend the "Smerch hunt" mission in the Shark, its very interesting to compare its effectiveness verses the Hog!

 

Cheers.

 

David

[sobek]

ED does still sell copies of it fairly regularly

 

And this assessment is based on what? Tealeaves? :)

[Mud]

I bought one for myself and the misses two weeks ago, sobek. Maybe if everybody else states it here as well we can have a general idea ;)

[kobac]

ED nothing wouldn't mind to implement JTAC support. Why we always have to add (JTAC) mod(s) ourselves, and the question is to what version of DCS the mod will work.

[King_Hrothgar]

And this assessment is based on what? Tealeaves? :)

 

Just about every time I'm on 104th, I find myself talking to someone who just picked up the Ka-50. So no, not tea leaves.

[Jowen G. Bruère-Dawson]

They said million times, why is it so hard to understand? it's not so simple as you think, "just do it"..

 

how many times does it need to be said?

Real Ka-50 has no A2A missiles and no RWR. So it won't have that in DCS. Ever.

You may as well wish to have it equipped with a pair of S-400 missiles. It's just as realistic as RWR.

 

 

Calm down boys, sorry. Yes RWR is unrealistic compared to the real ka-50, but what i think is : Russia doesn't use the Ka-50, so : no need to upgrade it with RWR... Same thing, no need for A2A missiles. But if Russia uses ka-50, its pretty sure that RWR and A2A missiles will be added to the helicopter, as an UPGRADE. And all those threads are about the UPGRADE of the Black Shark, that's why, even if i want a realistic simulator, i'm not opposed to RWR and A2A missiles for the Ka-50.

 

It's just my point of view, sorry guys, don't want to offense you (and i obviously don't)

[BitMaster]

I want an ASHTRAY, centre console, a bit the left...and a COFFEE CUP HOLDER next to it ;)

 

Night missions will be so much more relaxed then

 

THANK YOU ED :)

[dimitriov]

This will never end guys, there probably won't be any upgrade of the Kamov-50, not because devs can't, but because they don't want. And people will still ask for it.

 

IMO I prefer flying without RWR etc, it makes flights harder. I understand the ones who would like to get such system on the helicopter, but it's not necessary to fly it and survive.

 

Nicolas

[Fri13]

Calm down boys, sorry. Yes RWR is unrealistic compared to the real ka-50, but what i think is : Russia doesn't use the Ka-50, so : no need to upgrade it with RWR... Same thing, no need for A2A missiles. But if Russia uses ka-50, its pretty sure that RWR and A2A missiles will be added to the helicopter, as an UPGRADE. And all those threads are about the UPGRADE of the Black Shark, that's why, even if i want a realistic simulator, i'm not opposed to RWR and A2A missiles for the Ka-50.

 

It's just my point of view, sorry guys, don't want to offense you (and i obviously don't)

 

Sorry, but you are wrong in those. KA-50 has RWR and it has AA missiles too It even has many other features.

 

But the specific prototype ED used for the modeling, didn't have those.

 

That is the difference, Kamov made multiple prototypes, each having new features added and some older changed. And then they came out with the "final version". But ED didn't get their hands on the final or older prototypes, only to one of the earliest prototypes.

 

Ie.

 

Prototype A - No ABRIS or Vikhr

Prototype B - Vikhr and ABRIS added <---- ED used prototype version

Prototype C - RWR added

Prototype D - AA missiles added

Prototype E - Nightpod added for testing (KA-50S/N)

Prototype F - MWS added

Prototype G - Displays and instruments changed to multicolored LCD ones

Sales model - displayed on future shows.

 

So, now you have prototypes from A to G and then "final version". And ED got to look the one of the earliest prototypes.

 

They even have the buttons in the cockpit for the missing features, but not coded in because they were not added to the specific prototype, or not at the time or even removed before ED got to look at it.

 

And those prototypes are not like blocks or new versions, just prototypes and the KA-50 in the DCS is not the sales model but one early prototype that wasn't finished when ED got to play with it.

 

The KA-50 was UPGRADED, it is called KA-52. There were even new versions of it, KA-50N and KA-50-2.

 

 

The thing what makes everything so frustrating is that KA-50 should have new features because they were designed to be put in in the prototyping time.

 

And because it is prototype, many things could be done by ED in the sense "what KA-50 should be" instead "We wanted to make this specific half-baked prototype".

Like think if the KA-50 prototype couldn't even fly at all because it was missing the motorshaft or something? Should ED have just sell a module that you can't never fly but you can click buttons on it? No, they should have just said "Okay, we make it to fly, even if this doesn't fly but it was planned to fly". So same thing here. "Okay, we add RWR and AA capability for it, even if it didn't have those back the days, but it was planned to have those"!

 

More over here (russian side) http://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?t=27252&highlight=%CA%E0+50+%E6%E8%E7%ED%E8

 

Where Chizh (ED member) says (translated via Google): It is this board served as a prototype Ka-50 in NA. But we decided to do is the basic version (without a pilot NGN and suppression systems) to our helicopter like the most extreme serial boards 24-26. The pictures of Andrei ZINCHUK closed elements of the new system.

 

What ED could do (if they would want) is to make some additions or even overhaul the "optimal" model and sell it as a new module. I would prefer the addition (like in mission editor you choose do you want to have a gunsight or not, but this time you select the version of the fuselag and cockpit) as it would boost the current sales without offering two modules.

 

http://airwiki.org/enc/ah/ka50.html

Edited April 10, 2016 by Fri13

[Jowen G. Bruère-Dawson]

Sorry, but you are wrong in those. KA-50 has RWR and it has AA missiles too It even has many other features.

 

But the specific prototype ED used for the modeling, didn't have those.

 

That is the difference, Kamov made multiple prototypes, each having new features added and some older changed. And then they came out with the "final version". But ED didn't get their hands on the final or older prototypes, only to one of the earliest prototypes.

 

Ie.

 

Prototype A - No ABRIS or Vikhr

Prototype B - Vikhr and ABRIS added <---- ED used prototype version

Prototype C - RWR added

Prototype D - AA missiles added

Prototype E - Nightpod added for testing (KA-50S/N)

Prototype F - MWS added

Prototype G - Displays and instruments changed to multicolored LCD ones

Sales model - displayed on future shows.

 

So, now you have prototypes from A to G and then "final version". And ED got to look the one of the earliest prototypes.

 

They even have the buttons in the cockpit for the missing features, but not coded in because they were not added to the specific prototype, or not at the time or even removed before ED got to look at it.

 

And those prototypes are not like blocks or new versions, just prototypes and the KA-50 in the DCS is not the sales model but one early prototype that wasn't finished when ED got to play with it.

 

The KA-50 was UPGRADED, it is called KA-52. There were even new versions of it, KA-50N and KA-50-2.

 

 

The thing what makes everything so frustrating is that KA-50 should have new features because they were designed to be put in in the prototyping time.

 

And because it is prototype, many things could be done by ED in the sense "what KA-50 should be" instead "We wanted to make this specific half-baked prototype".

Like think if the KA-50 prototype couldn't even fly at all because it was missing the motorshaft or something? Should ED have just sell a module that you can't never fly but you can click buttons on it? No, they should have just said "Okay, we make it to fly, even if this doesn't fly but it was planned to fly". So same thing here. "Okay, we add RWR and AA capability for it, even if it didn't have those back the days, but it was planned to have those"!

 

More over here (russian side) http://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?t=27252&highlight=%CA%E0+50+%E6%E8%E7%ED%E8

 

Where Chizh (ED member) says (translated via Google): It is this board served as a prototype Ka-50 in NA. But we decided to do is the basic version (without a pilot NGN and suppression systems) to our helicopter like the most extreme serial boards 24-26. The pictures of Andrei ZINCHUK closed elements of the new system.

 

What ED could do (if they would want) is to make some additions or even overhaul the "optimal" model and sell it as a new module. I would prefer the addition (like in mission editor you choose do you want to have a gunsight or not, but this time you select the version of the fuselag and cockpit) as it would boost the current sales without offering two modules.

 

http://airwiki.org/enc/ah/ka50.html

 

 

Thank you for those precisions, very interesting to read !

[sobek]

Just about every time I'm on 104th, I find myself talking to someone who just picked up the Ka-50. So no, not tea leaves.

 

So that makes it 30 copies a month, optimistically speaking... or more... or less. So yeah, pretty much tealeaves.

[Yuya6104]

Sorry, but you are wrong in those. KA-50 has RWR and it has AA missiles too It even has many other features.

 

But the specific prototype ED used for the modeling, didn't have those.

 

That is the difference, Kamov made multiple prototypes, each having new features added and some older changed. And then they came out with the "final version". But ED didn't get their hands on the final or older prototypes, only to one of the earliest prototypes.

 

Ie.

 

Prototype A - No ABRIS or Vikhr

Prototype B - Vikhr and ABRIS added <---- ED used prototype version

Prototype C - RWR added

Prototype D - AA missiles added

Prototype E - Nightpod added for testing (KA-50S/N)

Prototype F - MWS added

Prototype G - Displays and instruments changed to multicolored LCD ones

Sales model - displayed on future shows.

 

So, now you have prototypes from A to G and then "final version". And ED got to look the one of the earliest prototypes.

 

They even have the buttons in the cockpit for the missing features, but not coded in because they were not added to the specific prototype, or not at the time or even removed before ED got to look at it.

 

And those prototypes are not like blocks or new versions, just prototypes and the KA-50 in the DCS is not the sales model but one early prototype that wasn't finished when ED got to play with it.

 

The KA-50 was UPGRADED, it is called KA-52. There were even new versions of it, KA-50N and KA-50-2.

 

 

The thing what makes everything so frustrating is that KA-50 should have new features because they were designed to be put in in the prototyping time.

 

And because it is prototype, many things could be done by ED in the sense "what KA-50 should be" instead "We wanted to make this specific half-baked prototype".

Like think if the KA-50 prototype couldn't even fly at all because it was missing the motorshaft or something? Should ED have just sell a module that you can't never fly but you can click buttons on it? No, they should have just said "Okay, we make it to fly, even if this doesn't fly but it was planned to fly". So same thing here. "Okay, we add RWR and AA capability for it, even if it didn't have those back the days, but it was planned to have those"!

 

More over here (russian side) http://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?t=27252&highlight=%CA%E0+50+%E6%E8%E7%ED%E8

 

Where Chizh (ED member) says (translated via Google): It is this board served as a prototype Ka-50 in NA. But we decided to do is the basic version (without a pilot NGN and suppression systems) to our helicopter like the most extreme serial boards 24-26. The pictures of Andrei ZINCHUK closed elements of the new system.

 

What ED could do (if they would want) is to make some additions or even overhaul the "optimal" model and sell it as a new module. I would prefer the addition (like in mission editor you choose do you want to have a gunsight or not, but this time you select the version of the fuselag and cockpit) as it would boost the current sales without offering two modules.

 

http://airwiki.org/enc/ah/ka50.html

 

I would go with that in a heart beat if ED did that would be awsome and flexable.

[King_Hrothgar]

So that makes it 30 copies a month, optimistically speaking... or more... or less. So yeah, pretty much tealeaves.

 

I come across far more new Ka-50 drivers than I do new L-39 + C-101 + Hawk + MiG-15 + F-86 + Fw-190 + Bf-109K + P-51D drivers combined. That said, MP is not necessarily representative of DCS as a whole. The vast majority of players never touch MP and of those that do, I suspect the results are skewed towards more modern combat aircraft that are competitive with the FC3 stuff. But that's just a suspicion, so tea leaves on assuming trainers and WW2 stuff are more popular than what I see in MP.

 

In any case, the point is the Ka-50 is still sold regularly. Was it the best selling module of March 2016? Probably not, but I'd be surprised if it was in the bottom 3. :smilewink:

[mmaruda]

It would not really be such a big surprise. It is the easiest module to master IMOH and it comes with 2 campaigns and fits the current map setting. I have also noticed recently that it has interactive tutorials now (not sure when that happened), so in essence I think this is the best module to get one into study sims.