Oculus Rift with DCS World Discussion

dburne · January 2, 2018

After testing a DK2 about two years ago (and I LOVED DCS on it...) I recently bought a CV1. Immersion is as I remembered; really great.
I do have a question though. I would like to map left-mouse click to the little pan-control button on the TMWH throttle (the one you use to steer the A-10C TGP). Is there a way to do that? In that way I could easily look around in the cockpit and just press that little button for a left-mouse click...

Should be able to do that in the VR setting menu and UI layer.

Put a check in VR setting for "use mouse".

Then in controller mapping menu, click on down arrow by module listing and scroll all way down to UI layer. There you can assign a button press for left mouse click.

dburne · January 2, 2018

Oh, and another one... is it possible to make two shortcuts, one for DCS with, and one for DCS without VR?

Just grab SkateZilla's DCS updater utility, it has that option built in.

https://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?t=160053

GurbY · January 2, 2018

Just grab SkateZilla's DCS updater utility, it has that option built in.

https://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?t=160053

TNX!

Whale Driver · January 2, 2018

Bunyap has a pretty good tutorial about making an icon on your desktop that will start in non VR.

GurbY · January 3, 2018

Should be able to do that in the VR setting menu and UI layer.
Put a check in VR setting for "use mouse".

Then in controller mapping menu, click on down arrow by module listing and scroll all way down to UI layer. There you can assign a button press for left mouse click.

Tnx; will try tonight!!

EightyDuce · January 5, 2018

I just got my Rift hooked up for the first time and having some mixed emotions. The post-install Oculus demo (one where you interact with the Wall-E looking robot) is awesome and smooth, life is good.

I fire up DCS 1.5 and 2.2, using VR preset in DCS with PD of 1.7, and it's stutter city. Everything is buttery smooth, until I try to pan around the cockpit....and then it looks like I'm dragging the screen around. As soon as I stop moving my head, it's smooth again.

Am I missing something or is this working as "intended?"

Hook47 · January 5, 2018

I just got my Rift hooked up for the first time and having some mixed emotions. The post-install Oculus demo (one where you interact with the Wall-E looking robot) is awesome and smooth, life is good.

I fire up DCS 1.5 and 2.2, using VR preset in DCS with PD of 1.7, and it's stutter city. Everything is buttery smooth, until I try to pan around the cockpit....and then it looks like I'm dragging the screen around. As soon as I stop moving my head, it's smooth again.

Am I missing something or is this working as "intended?"

What GPU do you have? My DCS VR performance is smooth with PD of 2.3

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EightyDuce · January 5, 2018

What GPU do you have? My DCS VR performance is smooth with PD of 2.3

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The 1080ti that's in my signature.

dburne · January 5, 2018

I just got my Rift hooked up for the first time and having some mixed emotions. The post-install Oculus demo (one where you interact with the Wall-E looking robot) is awesome and smooth, life is good.

I fire up DCS 1.5 and 2.2, using VR preset in DCS with PD of 1.7, and it's stutter city. Everything is buttery smooth, until I try to pan around the cockpit....and then it looks like I'm dragging the screen around. As soon as I stop moving my head, it's smooth again.

Am I missing something or is this working as "intended?"

No you should be totally smooth all the way especially with your rig.

If by " dragging the screen around" you mean what I think, like the whole view tends to want to move with you, it sounds like may be a sensor tracking issue. Look in Oculus Home for any sensor warnings. Might even be worth running through sensor setup again, especially if any warnings like poor tracking.

Cibit · January 5, 2018

I just got my Rift hooked up for the first time and having some mixed emotions. The post-install Oculus demo (one where you interact with the Wall-E looking robot) is awesome and smooth, life is good.

I fire up DCS 1.5 and 2.2, using VR preset in DCS with PD of 1.7, and it's stutter city. Everything is buttery smooth, until I try to pan around the cockpit....and then it looks like I'm dragging the screen around. As soon as I stop moving my head, it's smooth again.

Am I missing something or is this working as "intended?"

It would be useful to know your settings. Ok I don't have the ti but I struggle to get good performance with anything above 1.3 PD in 2.2 Also view distance is high on mine not ultra makes a difference. Post a screen of your settings page and play around yourself a bit :)

EightyDuce · January 5, 2018

It would be useful to know your settings. Ok I don't have the ti but I struggle to get good performance with anything above 1.3 PD in 2.2 Also view distance is high on mine not ultra makes a difference. Post a screen of your settings page and play around yourself a bit :)

So...I went to take a screenshot of the settings and realized that I was no longer seeing any stutter/ghosting when panning. Nothing has changed since last night other than I shut my PC down and booted back up this morning. Maybe it needed a nap? Lol.

Anyway, so now that that's gone all I can say is WOW. The immersion factor is through the roof. I hopped in to an F5E over Nevada and when I did an inverted dive to the deck....I felt my stomach drop as if I was on a coaster. Then as I was carving up the canyons, few hundred ft above the ground, I was almost getting motion sickness :pilotfly::joystick:.

As for the SDE, its there and I see it as soon as I think about it, however, once I pulled it my mind seems to filter it out and I don't notice it. Now, the reading of the gauges....yikes, but I knew that going in. I will try playing around with the settings see if I can give it a nudge in the right direction.

As far as sensors go? Where do you guys have yours placed? I have mine on my desk, on either side of my monitor approximately 3-4ft apart. According to the initial setup, it's not ideal....but seems to work. May have to play around with that too.

Edited January 5, 2018 by EightyDuce

strikerdg · January 5, 2018

I see you have a similar setup to the one I'm looking at getting with EVGA 1080ti and your 7700k.. would you mind telling me how high your are able to put your settings with VR? I hear maxing settings is impossible with VR but I'm looking to get an oculus and upgrade some stuff to come as close as possible for 2.5.. any info is helpful! Also how bad is the resolution.. will I be able to read the HUD on the a-10? Or see the time to impact counter on the targeting pod?

Flamin_Squirrel · January 5, 2018

Consider trying different rift settings too. R-Ctrl numpad 1-4 for selecting the following modes:

Mode 1 disables ASW and only ATW will create synthetic frames when the frame rate drops below 90fps.
Modes 2 and 3 will drop the ED frame rate to 45fps max, without/with ASW support forced.
Mode 4 is the default where ASW will turn on and off by itself.

Fri13 · January 5, 2018

I play 1920x1080 on single monitor (with MFDs on second screen) and enjoy my game, Im in no hurry to buy a 4k monitor, you dont miss what you havnt had right?

Yes, the Full HD ain't bad, but the 4K will be 2x more clearer as there is 4x more details. This means you get the capability to spot a moving units more realistic manner, you can spot the flying fighter from a few kilometer distance but still you need to get close to identify them visually. The same thing is with the ground units that you can spot the shadows (motion, , clare, color, shape/shadow are the things that basically reveal something to anyone else, why concealment is critical task in war, and it is little silly as in DCS we don't have any of that really) or some of the shape from 1-2km distance if the contrast (object + surrounding textures) is strong enough. With a Full HD you can do same but it is just little more difficult as instead 3-4 pixels you have just 1 pixel.

But I really want to buy VR, have an old R9 200 paired with a 4.4ghx 2600K - seems I could possible run a Rift with a 1070Ti and the old 2600?

What do you think, I keep building panels for a cockpit but recently one of the cockpit builders sold his rig as he got VR.

It is a very very difficult thing to say as it depends what do you expect.

Like if you love flying, just being in cockpit and going around, sight seeing etc. Then VR is totally great for that. But the current resolution in HMD is barely acceptable. Once you try a "8K HMD" (8K+ as Pimax has two version, one is "8K" that is 1440 upscaled to 4K and other is the real 4K per eye) (https://www.pimaxvr.com/en/8k/) then you can't anymore go back to what is today (as you say above about Full HD vs 4K).

And that is the point when I say that typical monitor can be thrown away by most virtual pilots. As having a 200 degree horizontal and 120 degree vertical FOV.... That is 4K monitor per eye, you are totally totally, totally(!) different league than the current ones with a about 75-80 degree horizontal and 60-70 degree vertical (110 degree diagonal).

So I would hold on the money, keep using the current cockpit things, as if you are serious about operating the aircraft functions, panels, displays, buttons, switches etc and learning of them is one of the critical part of that experience, then VR in current resolution is just disliked experience as you need to lean a lot forward to read the panels and texts. And doing a ground attack can be nasty as ground units just blends to the ground in open that you have hard time to find what to shoot in your 2km attack run until you are around 1-1.5km distance (way too close for most ground units self-air defense weapons).

I like the idea of a set up with Rift to play both racing and flight sims.

This resolution stuff has me second guessing though, is it really an issue? Its not like an Amiga or Atari ST? Its just like turning your monitor resolution down?

Go to play DCS now with a 1280x768 and you get an idea, but the VR would be even lower, but smoother because the extra optics that even more softens all.

The VR would be well usable in DCS if every DCS cockpit would get a VR optimization. Meaning a 1.3-1.5x larger texts with much slimmer strong contrast fonts, weathered textured removed and replaced with a clinical ones, make all buttons and switches with larger contrast edges, maybe some buttons to be re-scaled larger etc.

But that would require new cockpit, that would be "unrealistic" for many.

EightyDuce · January 5, 2018

I see you have a similar setup to the one I'm looking at getting with EVGA 1080ti and your 7700k.. would you mind telling me how high your are able to put your settings with VR? I hear maxing settings is impossible with VR but I'm looking to get an oculus and upgrade some stuff to come as close as possible for 2.5.. any info is helpful! Also how bad is the resolution.. will I be able to read the HUD on the a-10? Or see the time to impact counter on the targeting pod?

I don't have the A10c module (shame I know) so I can't speak of that, but I can get my settings and such. What I noticed from my short play time I had this morning, Nevada stays mostly at 90fps with some dips into 45, but still smooth. Normandy, in a Spit, it's pretty much stays at 45 with some jumps to 90.

Attached are my current VR settings, and its smooth in Nevada and Normandy. Granted, I only tested this in single player. As for the resolution, its....well, it's what is expected. You aren't going to get crisp graphics like you would on a 1080p/4k monitor. The gauges are hard to read sometimes without leaning in, however, I have no issues with reading anything on the HUD. The visibility of the gauges varies from plane to plane and is best on WW2 birds (big, uncluttered gauges). Spotting, at least to me right now, is problematic and is going to get some getting used to and tweaking the settings.

Am I unhappy with the results? Not in the least. Like I mentioned earlier, it has opened up a whole new window into the sim that you can't get anywhere else short of becoming a fighter pilot. Is there room for improvement? Absolutely, mainly in the resolution department. When/if Pimax 8k delivers....oh boy, let's just say I'll have to buy the wife something really nice and shiny.

For now, I'll keep playing with the settings to see what I can squeeze out. One thing is for sure, it's going to be hard to make myself play DCS without VR.

Edited January 6, 2018 by EightyDuce

GurbY · January 5, 2018

Should be able to do that in the VR setting menu and UI layer.
Put a check in VR setting for "use mouse".

Then in controller mapping menu, click on down arrow by module listing and scroll all way down to UI layer. There you can assign a button press for left mouse click.

I've been looking everywhere, but when I open the controls menu and scroll down, lowest thing I see is zoom option; where can I find that UI option you mention?

dburne · January 5, 2018

I've been looking everywhere, but when I open the controls menu and scroll down, lowest thing I see is zoom option; where can I find that UI option you mention?

The UI layer is down at the bottom of the module listings on the upper left, where you pick a module to assign controls. Scroll all way down past your modules and you shoud find the UI layer there at the bottom or pretty close to it.

Note the settings in the UI layer are global, not module specific.

hansangb · January 6, 2018

I don't have the A10c module (shame I know) so I can't speak of that, but I can get my settings and such. What I noticed from my short play time I had this morning, Nevada stays mostly at 90fps with some dips into 45, but still smooth. Normandy, in a Spit, it's pretty much stays at 45 with some jumps to 90.

Attached are my current VR settings, and its smooth in Nevada and Normandy. Granted, I only tested this in single player. As for the resolution, its....well, it's what is expected. You aren't going to get crisp graphics like you would on a 1080p/4k monitor. The gauges are hard to read sometimes without leaning in, however, I have no issues with reading anything on the HUD. The visibility of the gauges varies from plane to plane and is best on WW2 birds (big, uncluttered gauges). Spotting, at least to me right now, is problematic and is going to get some getting used to and tweaking the settings.

Am I unhappy with the results? Not in the least. Like I mentioned earlier, it has opened up a whole new window into the sim that you can't get anywhere else short of becoming a fighter pilot. Is there room for improvement? Absolutely, mainly in the resolution department. When/if Pimax 8k delivers....oh boy, let's just say I'll have to buy the wife something really nice and shiny.

For now, I'll keep playing with the settings to see what I can squeeze out. One thing is for sure, it's going to be hard to make myself play DCS without VR.

Watch Jabber's Sticky thread video on "All things VR" Also, not sure if you have SSD's or not, but that makes a huge difference. There was another thread where an ED Tester asked folks to try it *with* VSYNC if there was a lot of stutter. And finally, Rift has a small sweet spot. So make sure you adjust the straps to make sure you're on that sweet spot. And come on, Airborne, how can you *not* have the A10C module! :D

Now you can really have your feet and knees in the breeze! :pilotfly::joystick::thumbup:

GurbY · January 6, 2018

The UI layer is down at the bottom of the module listings on the upper left, where you pick a module to assign controls. Scroll all way down past your modules and you shoud find the UI layer there at the bottom or pretty close to it.
Note the settings in the UI layer are global, not module specific.

AH! Found it!! Tnx!!

dburne · January 6, 2018

AH! Found it!! Tnx!!

:thumbup:

They do have it hidden fairly well.

EightyDuce · January 6, 2018

Watch Jabber's Sticky thread video on "All things VR" Also, not sure if you have SSD's or not, but that makes a huge difference. There was another thread where an ED Tester asked folks to try it *with* VSYNC if there was a lot of stutter. And finally, Rift has a small sweet spot. So make sure you adjust the straps to make sure you're on that sweet spot. And come on, Airborne, how can you *not* have the A10C module! :D

Now you can really have your feet and knees in the breeze! :pilotfly::joystick::thumbup:

I looked at Jabber's settings and we seem to be in the same ballpark. As of right now, I haven't encountered any stuttering issues other than the initial stuff I reported earlier, which has be solved...somehow. I do have SSD's though, for both OS and DCS...I guess I should put that in the sig as well.

As for the A10C....yeah I do feel a little dirty about not having it. When I got into DCS I was all about the helicopters (Ka-50 was my first encounter with DCS). Since then, I've transitioned more towards fixed wing and pick up a module or two every sale. Figured I'd stick with the F5 for a while, get my feet wet as she's pretty simple. Also have a Spit and the Mustang, but boy are those some unruly bastards on takeoff and landing.

I also snagged the UH-1 this last sale, that will probably keep me busy until the Hornet comes.

All that being said...I did encounter a new issue with VR. The comms menu. I'm guessing everyone is using VAICOM?

Cibit · January 6, 2018

All that being said...I did encounter a new issue with VR. The comms menu. I'm guessing everyone is using VAICOM?

PTT or some key unless your still on simple radio and grab the mouse to interact with menu. Having said that Voice attack is great from all I hear. Maybe when we don't run a guest house I will look into it furthur;)

dburne · January 6, 2018

PTT or some key unless your still on simple radio and grab the mouse to interact with menu. Having said that Voice attack is great from all I hear. Maybe when we don't run a guest house I will look into it furthur;)

Voice Attack is great!

I use it in another sim, which has much less complex commands and it works great directly with it. I have yet to take the time to set it up for DCS, plan on doing so soon. I will probably go with the Vaicom software to use with VA due to the more complex DCS command structure.

EightyDuce · January 6, 2018

PTT or some key unless your still on simple radio and grab the mouse to interact with menu. Having said that Voice attack is great from all I hear. Maybe when we don't run a guest house I will look into it furthur;)

Haha, learn something new every day. I did not know you could use the mouse to navigate the comms menu. Also, what do you mean when you refer to PTT? I'm assuming it means push-to-talk, however, I do understand the context in relation to DCS.

Do no use Simple Radio...I'm pretty much a "newb" when it comes to anything other than vanilla DCS.

_schepper_ · January 6, 2018

Haha, learn something new every day. I did not know you could use the mouse to navigate the comms menu. Also, what do you mean when you refer to PTT? I'm assuming it means push-to-talk, however, I do understand the context in relation to DCS.

Do no use Simple Radio...I'm pretty much a "newb" when it comes to anything other than vanilla DCS.

Take a look at vaicom pro 2.5, works so nice, it gives so mutch more immursion

Hollywood just released the vaicom pro 2.5 in december.. i will never have to use the mouse for communication and i love that you speak to tower or wingman or jtac... and they respond to your voice :)

not waiting and sombody else speaking for you but really direct responce to wat you say.... i love it (it needs a little bit of training)

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