Weapons regarding F5E Tiger II

[zerO_crash]

Is it possible to get any info on what weapons precisely F5E will be able to equip? Seeing how we are so close to release anyways.

[NRG-Vampire]

[C]

That seems like its apparently for the F-5A-1

aren't we getting the F-5E-3?

 

Id imagine there'll be some differences, for example, Ive never heard anything about the AGM12B

[zerO_crash]

F-5E Tiger II, plus that one thing is what`s available in real life, another what is available in DCS, for instance no napalm bombs due to lacking damage model simulation.

[Flagrum]

More importantly, what our F-5E will be able to employ. I.e. reading about the Bullpup - that would be a new, unique weapon. How likeley is it that we will get our hands on such toys?

[zerO_crash]

Well not unlikely, think of GROM 66 or such, but it`s irrelevant until we get confirmation on what we are getting shipped ;)

 

Do believe I read earlier about belsimtek not doing the AGM 65 for this one, even though it supported it, but cannot really remember where I read it.

 

Also, cannot quite get it, but on this pic you can clearly see a JDAM converted MK bomb:

 

 

Their official pic btw

Edited May 21, 2016 by zerO_crash

[WinterH]

Mk 82, 83, 84 and 82 snake eyes, CBU 52, M117 (older generation free fall bomb), 70mm rockets, GBU-12 Pawevay IIs with external lasing dependence and finally the Sidewinder.

 

Although some of the F-5E were Maverick ready right out of factory, not all were (different radar screen versions). Apparently ours won't be Maverick capable.

 

AGM-12 Bullpup are associated with F-5A, not E, at least as far as I know.

 

I don't think it has JDAMs, and the screenshot looks more like a regular iron bomb to me, but I may be wrong.

[Jerkzilla]

I'm still bummed out about the Mavs, they would have made this a proper little multirole.

[NRG-Vampire]

yep, that's an mk-84 on the screenshot above ▲

[Cantiga]

http://www.belsimtek.com/news/1558/

1. Two 20-mm caliber M-39A3 cannons with rate of fire of 1500-1700 rounds per minute and ammunition of 280 rounds per gun;

2. Two heat-seeking missiles (AIM-9B or AIM-9P) (currently we are considering these versions);

3. Unguided bombs:

· 5x Mk-82

· 3x Mk-83

· 1x Mk-84

· 5x Mk-82 Snakeye

· 5x M-117

· MER-5 5x Mk-82

· MER-5 5x Mk-82 Snakeye;

4. Cluster bombs:

· 5хCBU-52B;

5. Guided bombs:

· 4x GBU-12 (buddy lasing or ground laser designator);

6. Unguided rockets:

· 4x LAU-61 (x19) (LAU-3 or LAU-60 could be added later)

· 4x LAU-68 (x7);

7. Flare dispenser:

· SUU-25C.

[schroedi]

That's a normal MK84

The GBU-31 looks different.

[zerO_crash]

http://www.belsimtek.com/news/1558/

 

Ah nice, thought I saw it somewhere but couldn`t find it. Nice mate

[Bersagliere81]

Only sidewinders? I thought they could fit aim-120

[SandMartin]

Only sidewinders? I thought they could fit aim-120

 

Belsimtek making first version F-5E without aim-120.

 

But... is the "L" version of sidewinder subbmited ?

 

Edited May 21, 2016 by SandMartin

[mattebubben]

Only sidewinders? I thought they could fit aim-120

 

Thats only for the 21 century Upgraded variants.

 

We are getting a Standard F-5E (Factory standard)

 

so Aim-9s will be the only Air-Air missile and it can only carry 2 (1 on each wingtip)

 

The only Real question on the missile side is what Aim-9 Variants.

 

If we will get Rear Aspect only (Aim-9B and Aim-9P3)

 

Or a All Aspect Aim-9P as well (Aim-9P4 or P5)

 

I very much hope and assume they will add a P4 or P5 as the all Aspect Aim-9Ps have been the standard Air-Air missile for a Large number of the F-5E Operators since the early/mid 80s.

 

And all of the largest operators (except for Iran for obvious reasons) have used the All Aspect Aim-9P4 or Aim-9P5 together with the F-5E.

 

So not giving the F-5E the Aim-9P4 or P5 would be kinda like the Mig-29 not having R-73s.

[SandMartin]

Thats only for the 21 century Upgraded variants.

 

We are getting a Standard F-5E (Factory standard)

 

so Aim-9s will be the only Air-Air missile and it can only carry 2 (1 on each wingtip)

 

The only Real question on the missile side is what Aim-9 Variants.

 

If we will get Rear Aspect only (Aim-9B and Aim-9P3)

 

Or a All Aspect Aim-9P as well (Aim-9P4 or P5)

 

I very much hope and assume they will add a P4 or P5 as the all Aspect Aim-9Ps have been the standard Air-Air missile for a Large number of the F-5E Operators since the early/mid 80s.

 

And all of the largest operators (except for Iran for obvious reasons) have used the All Aspect Aim-9P4 or Aim-9P5 together with the F-5E.

 

So not giving the F-5E the Aim-9P4 or P5 would be kinda like the Mig-29 not having R-73s.

 

What version of Sidewinder was in Top Gun movie ? (1985 shooting year)

[mattebubben]

Belsimtek making first version F-5E without aim-120.

 

But... are "L" version of sidewinder are subbmited ?

 

 

The Standard F-5E is not able to carry Aim-9L/M for combat.

 

the US aggressor aircraft are able to carry the Aim-9M dummy missiles (working seeker dummy rocket)

 

To be used during the Practice dogfights.

 

But no F-5E (Without major upgrades) is able to carry and fire Aim-9L/M missiles.

 

The only All Aspect Aim-9s for the F-5E would be the Aim-9P4 and Aim-9P5.

 

They are have Aim-9P3 bodies together with All Aspect Seekers.

 

With the Aim-9P4 seeker being based of the Aim-9L seeker and the Aim-9P5s seeker being based of the Aim-9M seeker.

 

The Aim-9 P4 and P5 have the Same body/Fins as the other Aim-9P variants and seems to only differ visually when it comes to the seeker head.

 

As an example here are 2 Swiss F-5s with Aim-9P5s.

 

Edited May 21, 2016 by mattebubben

[zerO_crash]

What version of Sidewinder was in Top Gun movie ? (1985 shooting year)

 

If you refer to the ones that they call "Deadly Blue Tubes", then pretty much none. It`s actually a simulating sidewinder that IRL would drop dead from the wing upon launching.

 

However, if you are wondering what would be the typical logical choice for an actual sidewinder in that movie for that time, the answer would be: Aim 9M (Deliveries started in 1983, assuming the aircraft depicted in the movie would get the newest) And if so, then probably the Aim 9M-8 since that`s the Navy model (Aim 9M-9 is the Airforce counterpart).

Edited May 22, 2016 by zerO_crash

[Schmidtfire]

Mattebubben, I think you might be wrong about the F-5E and the Aim-9L. It's used all the time on the F-5E in this documentary.

 

 

Keep watching and around 4:30 they bring up the Aim-9L again. It's also seen and mentioned in other parts of the documentary.

[mattebubben]

Mattebubben, I think you might be wrong about the F-5E and the Aim-9L. It's used all the time on the F-5E in this documentary.

 

 

Keep watching and around 4:30 they bring up the Aim-9L again. It's also seen and mentioned in other parts of the documentary.

 

As i already stated thats only for the US Aggressor F5Es.

 

They cant actually fire the missile its only able to use Training missiles

(Real seekers with a Dummy missile body / rocket).

 

These Dummy missiles are used in Training Air combat as you can get a Missile lock with them and then claim a simulated kill.

 

But it cant carry/ Fire Live Aim-9Ls and neither could Factory standard F-5Es.

 

The most capable missiles the standard F-5E could carry would be the All Aspect Aim-9P4 And Aim-9P5 missiles.

Edited May 22, 2016 by mattebubben

[Nanne118]

Shame about the AGM-65's, but still a pretty neat aircraft nonetheless.

[AG-51_Razor]

What about those little tip tanks we see in several pictures of the F-5? Will they be available as a load-out or were they permanently mounted?

[RNeves]

So this aircraft doesn't have any radar guisded missiles??

 

I admit that I don't know much about this aircraft, but allways thought that it had some SARH missiles...

[mattebubben]

What about those little tip tanks we see in several pictures of the F-5? Will they be available as a load-out or were they permanently mounted?

 

Those were for the F-5A only.

 

The F-5E can not mount the Wingtip Tanks.

 

 

So this aircraft doesn't have any radar guisded missiles??

 

I admit that I don't know much about this aircraft, but allways thought that it had some SARH missiles...

No the standard F-5Es does not have radar guided missiles

(Some 21 century upgraded variants have radar guided / BVR weapons but the standard variants had the Aim-9s as the only air-air missiles.)

 

But this was not seen as a problem in the 70s as the Radar guided missiles of the time did not have a significant advantage over IR guided missiles.

 

After all the F-16 did not have any Radar guided missiles when it entered service either in 1980.

 

And the F-5E was never supposed to be a air-superiority aircraft but a light multi role aircraft.

Edited May 22, 2016 by mattebubben

[RNeves]

Those were for the F-5A only.

 

The F-5E can not mount the Wingtip Tanks.

 

 

 

No the standard F-5Es does not have radar guided missiles

(Some 21 century upgraded variants have radar guided / BVR weapons but the standard variants had the Aim-9s as the only air-air missiles.)

 

But this was not seen as a problem in the 70s as the Radar guided missiles of the time did not have a significant advantage over IR guided missiles.

 

After all the F-16 did not have any Radar guided missiles when it entered service either in 1980.

 

And the F-5E was never supposed to be a air-superiority aircraft but a light multi role aircraft.

 

So basically, the radar will only serve to spot aircrafts BVR??