adrianstealth Posted June 9, 2016 Posted June 9, 2016 Go water cooling & you'll never ever have to bother about temps again You'll be able to over clock without any fear of high temps My i7 2600k run happily at 4.8ghz never goes beyond 40c I could over clock higher I'm sure but happy to stay well with limits
cichlidfan Posted June 9, 2016 Posted June 9, 2016 Go water cooling & you'll never ever have to bother about temps again Just make sure your case has holes for the hoses to pass through and don't forget that when that silent water pump stops working, you won't have much warning. ASUS ROG Maximus VIII Hero, i7-6700K, Noctua NH-D14 Cooler, Crucial 32GB DDR4 2133, Samsung 950 Pro NVMe 256GB, Samsung EVO 250GB & 500GB SSD, 2TB Caviar Black, Zotac GTX 1080 AMP! Extreme 8GB, Corsair HX1000i, Phillips BDM4065UC 40" 4k monitor, VX2258 TouchScreen, TIR 5 w/ProClip, TM Warthog, VKB Gladiator Pro, Saitek X56, et. al., MFG Crosswind Pedals #1199, VolairSim Pit, Rift CV1 :thumbup:
dburne Posted June 9, 2016 Posted June 9, 2016 I have been using the Corsair H100i closed loop cooler ever since I did this build a few years ago, it has done very well for me. Certainly cpu temps I never have to worry about. It was very easy to install, in fact I found it easier really than my previous fan setup I had in push/pull configuration. Long as you have the case to accommodate mounting the radiator, it's a breeze. Don B EVGA Z390 Dark MB | i9 9900k CPU @ 5.1 GHz | Gigabyte 4090 OC | 64 GB Corsair Vengeance 3200 MHz CL16 | Corsair H150i Pro Cooler |Virpil CM3 Stick w/ Alpha Prime Grip 200mm ext| Virpil CM3 Throttle | VPC Rotor TCS Base w/ Alpha-L Grip| Point Control V2|Varjo Aero|
agrasyuk Posted June 9, 2016 Posted June 9, 2016 tests published by several tech review websites show that prefabbed water coolers are not outperforming good air coolers such as noctua. so either way will work Go water cooling & you'll never ever have to bother about temps again You'll be able to over clock without any fear of high temps My i7 2600k run happily at 4.8ghz never goes beyond 40c I could over clock higher I'm sure but happy to stay well with limits it looks like the lottery got you a very nice speciment of silicon that is quite above average. average chips will require voltage boost to reach those frequencies , and those volts will create heat. i'm running dual 280mm rad corsair closed loop water cooler in a relatively cool environment (basement) and temps can get into higher 60ies when i try harder overclocks. congrads on your lottery win, but i think one needs to be more carefull issuing "you'll never ever have to bother about temps again" statements. Anton. My pit build thread . Simple and cheap UFC project
D4n Posted June 9, 2016 Author Posted June 9, 2016 https://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_noss_2?url=search-alias%3Daps&field-keywords=hyper+212+evo this is what i use on my 2600K cheap and works well for the price. clocked at 4.4 and doesnt break 60C on a hot day. Great! And how noisy? Go water cooling & you'll never ever have to bother about temps again You'll be able to over clock without any fear of high temps My i7 2600k run happily at 4.8ghz never goes beyond 40c I could over clock higher I'm sure but happy to stay well with limits Now THAT'S what I was hoping for!!! :D But how noisy can the water pumps be? (Also don't put too much voltage into the CPU!) Just make sure your case has holes for the hoses to pass through and don't forget that when that silent water pump stops working, you won't have much warning. The hoses go inside the case, from CPU to radiator/fan inside of case, the videos show... Same with fans, there won't be warning if they fail... ? And I'd expect water cooling to outperform fans by noise (water cooling more silent?)... And Agra, maybe you didn't completely put the copper cooler on the CPU (no space) or too much thermal paste? DCS Wishlist: 2K11 Krug SA-4 Ganef SAM, VR-TrackIR icons next to player names in score-chart PvP: 100+ manual player-kills with Stingers on a well known dynamic campaign server - 100+ VTOL FARP landings & 125+ hours AV-8B, F-14 crew, royal dutch airforce F-16C - PvP campaigns since 2013 DCS server-admins: please adhere to a common sense gaming industry policy as most server admins throughout the industry do. (After all there's enough hostility on the internet already which really doesn't help anyone. Thanks.) Dell Visor VR headset, Ryzen 5 5600 (6C/12T), RTX 4060 - basic DCS-community rule-of-thumb: Don't believe bad things that a PvP pilot claims about another PvP pilot without having analyzed the existing evidence
cichlidfan Posted June 9, 2016 Posted June 9, 2016 (edited) When one of my fans stops working, I still have other fans, lots of them. When the water pump stops you have nothing. If you have room inside the case for fans and radiator, then you have a very large case or a very small radiator. I am not against water cooling, if the situation requires it, but I just don't see the need to put all of my eggs in one basket for no reason. Edited June 9, 2016 by cichlidfan ASUS ROG Maximus VIII Hero, i7-6700K, Noctua NH-D14 Cooler, Crucial 32GB DDR4 2133, Samsung 950 Pro NVMe 256GB, Samsung EVO 250GB & 500GB SSD, 2TB Caviar Black, Zotac GTX 1080 AMP! Extreme 8GB, Corsair HX1000i, Phillips BDM4065UC 40" 4k monitor, VX2258 TouchScreen, TIR 5 w/ProClip, TM Warthog, VKB Gladiator Pro, Saitek X56, et. al., MFG Crosswind Pedals #1199, VolairSim Pit, Rift CV1 :thumbup:
D4n Posted June 9, 2016 Author Posted June 9, 2016 Ok, I think the radiator won't fit, to me it looks like the radiator+fan together take too much space into the motherboard... (photos below in attachments) DCS Wishlist: 2K11 Krug SA-4 Ganef SAM, VR-TrackIR icons next to player names in score-chart PvP: 100+ manual player-kills with Stingers on a well known dynamic campaign server - 100+ VTOL FARP landings & 125+ hours AV-8B, F-14 crew, royal dutch airforce F-16C - PvP campaigns since 2013 DCS server-admins: please adhere to a common sense gaming industry policy as most server admins throughout the industry do. (After all there's enough hostility on the internet already which really doesn't help anyone. Thanks.) Dell Visor VR headset, Ryzen 5 5600 (6C/12T), RTX 4060 - basic DCS-community rule-of-thumb: Don't believe bad things that a PvP pilot claims about another PvP pilot without having analyzed the existing evidence
PureEvil Posted June 10, 2016 Posted June 10, 2016 (edited) Go water cooling & you'll never ever have to bother about temps again You'll be able to over clock without any fear of high temps My i7 2600k run happily at 4.8ghz never goes beyond 40c I could over clock higher I'm sure but happy to stay well with limits what cooler you've got? When one of my fans stops working, I still have other fans, lots of them. When the water pump stops you have nothing. can put 2 pumps in serial or get a flow indicator (or even flow meter) somewhere where it can be seen at all times, problem solved :smartass: but i think DanielNL has tight budget and my solutions are not the cheapest ones. Ok, I think the radiator won't fit, to me it looks like the radiator+fan together take too much space into the motherboard... you can install rad inside and fan outside if you want it at the back. or go for the top, plenty of space there. what case you have? Edited June 10, 2016 by PureEvil STEAM asus p8z68-v gen3, 2600k@4,5ghz(w/c), 16gb, 1080ti(w/c), ch fighterstick/gvl224-4000-8, ch pro throttle, Oculus Rift CV1+Touch, thrustmaster tx
D4n Posted June 10, 2016 Author Posted June 10, 2016 Some Revoltec DCS Wishlist: 2K11 Krug SA-4 Ganef SAM, VR-TrackIR icons next to player names in score-chart PvP: 100+ manual player-kills with Stingers on a well known dynamic campaign server - 100+ VTOL FARP landings & 125+ hours AV-8B, F-14 crew, royal dutch airforce F-16C - PvP campaigns since 2013 DCS server-admins: please adhere to a common sense gaming industry policy as most server admins throughout the industry do. (After all there's enough hostility on the internet already which really doesn't help anyone. Thanks.) Dell Visor VR headset, Ryzen 5 5600 (6C/12T), RTX 4060 - basic DCS-community rule-of-thumb: Don't believe bad things that a PvP pilot claims about another PvP pilot without having analyzed the existing evidence
Hadwell Posted June 10, 2016 Posted June 10, 2016 (edited) When one of my fans stops working, I still have other fans, lots of them. When the water pump stops you have nothing. If you have room inside the case for fans and radiator, then you have a very large case or a very small radiator. I am not against water cooling, if the situation requires it, but I just don't see the need to put all of my eggs in one basket for no reason. even with no pump, there's still enough cooling for the cpu to shut itself down without frying... in fact, you'll probly even be able to get into windows and order a new pump before it shuts down... you could... keep a spare pump on hand? I've been running this H80 since i got this computer in 2011/12 (can't remember the exact date) Edited June 10, 2016 by Hadwell My youtube channel Remember: the fun is in the fight, not the kill, so say NO! to the AIM-120. System specs:ROG Maximus XI Hero, Intel I9 9900K, 32GB 3200MHz ram, EVGA 1080ti FTW3, Samsung 970 EVO 1TB NVME, 27" Samsung SA350 1080p, 27" BenQ GW2765HT 1440p, ASUS ROG PG278Q 1440p G-SYNC Controls: Saitekt rudder pedals,Virpil MongoosT50 throttle, warBRD base, CM2 stick, TrackIR 5+pro clip, WMR VR headset. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]
MoeZ Posted June 10, 2016 Posted June 10, 2016 (edited) Hey Daniel, you have the same Board and CPU as i use. :) The Asus Board has the abitlity to Auto-overclock your K-Cpu within stable Parameters. I have used it with the Boxxed-Cooler (Intel Default) at 4.2GHz stable with Auto-Boost (i think thats the name for the BIOS-Option where you can Start the Auto-Overclocking, the MB will run some Test-Procedures and restarts to neogate stable Parameters). With the Default Cooler i had sometimes problems at hot Sommer Days (Room Temperature above 40°C) so the CPU goes to Auto-throttleing at load. Then ive buyed a Alpenföhn Cooler (dont know the Model out of my head, but there only one or two for that Socket), it cost about 30€ (new). Now I run at 4.8Ghz (Autoboost) without any Problems or Temp-related throttleing.... Edited June 10, 2016 by MoeZ
D4n Posted June 10, 2016 Author Posted June 10, 2016 (edited) Hey Daniel, you have the same Board and CPU as i use. :) The Asus Board has the abitlity to Auto-overclock your K-Cpu within stable Parameters. I have used it with the Boxxed-Cooler (Intel Default) at 4.2GHz stable with Auto-Boost (i think thats the name for the BIOS-Option where you can Start the Auto-Overclocking, the MB will run some Test-Procedures and restarts to neogate stable Parameters). With the Default Cooler i had sometimes problems at hot Sommer Days (Room Temperature above 40°C) so the CPU goes to Auto-throttleing at load. Then ive buyed a Alpenföhn Cooler (dont know the Model out of my head, but there only one or two for that Socket), it cost about 30€ (new). Now I run at 4.8Ghz (Autoboost) without any Problems or Temp-related throttleing.... WOW!!! THAT's a gr8 coincidence!!! :D What are your temps on a normal summer day then @ 4.8 GHz ? (if 25-28 °C room temperature) And how loud is the fan maximum? (you hear it with headset on?) I also discovered the "auto-overclock" feature, but it's not clear to me, how much voltage will the automatic setting hammer into the CPU at maximum?? Will the mobo also "observe" temperatures, and keep CPU below 80 °C ? I found these two models (scroll up to see prices): http://www.idealo.de/preisvergleich/OffersOfProduct/2575169_-alpenfoehn-sella-84000000053-ekl.html#Datenblatt http://www.idealo.de/preisvergleich/OffersOfProduct/4708364_-alpenfoehn-ben-nevis-ekl.html#Datenblatt I think I'll take the Ben Nevis, as it's more silent, 95,14 m³/h, 140 W TDP. You all agree? Edited June 10, 2016 by DanielNL DCS Wishlist: 2K11 Krug SA-4 Ganef SAM, VR-TrackIR icons next to player names in score-chart PvP: 100+ manual player-kills with Stingers on a well known dynamic campaign server - 100+ VTOL FARP landings & 125+ hours AV-8B, F-14 crew, royal dutch airforce F-16C - PvP campaigns since 2013 DCS server-admins: please adhere to a common sense gaming industry policy as most server admins throughout the industry do. (After all there's enough hostility on the internet already which really doesn't help anyone. Thanks.) Dell Visor VR headset, Ryzen 5 5600 (6C/12T), RTX 4060 - basic DCS-community rule-of-thumb: Don't believe bad things that a PvP pilot claims about another PvP pilot without having analyzed the existing evidence
Pilotasso Posted June 10, 2016 Posted June 10, 2016 Anyone here has jumped from a 2600K/2500K to Haswell-E (or recently to broadwel-E) and noticed improvements? .
D4n Posted June 12, 2016 Author Posted June 12, 2016 Great 2 see! Thanks! Hope when the Oculus Rift sells for a FAIR price in Europe (hopefully before 2017, currently Rift is 200 $ more expensive in EU ?!?!? ) that then 4 GHz 2600k will deliver 90 fps on the Rift (with 1070). DCS Wishlist: 2K11 Krug SA-4 Ganef SAM, VR-TrackIR icons next to player names in score-chart PvP: 100+ manual player-kills with Stingers on a well known dynamic campaign server - 100+ VTOL FARP landings & 125+ hours AV-8B, F-14 crew, royal dutch airforce F-16C - PvP campaigns since 2013 DCS server-admins: please adhere to a common sense gaming industry policy as most server admins throughout the industry do. (After all there's enough hostility on the internet already which really doesn't help anyone. Thanks.) Dell Visor VR headset, Ryzen 5 5600 (6C/12T), RTX 4060 - basic DCS-community rule-of-thumb: Don't believe bad things that a PvP pilot claims about another PvP pilot without having analyzed the existing evidence
Demon_ Posted June 12, 2016 Posted June 12, 2016 Auto-overclock features are good, but always give more Vcore (and more heat) to the cpu, compared to a manual setting. Attache ta tuque avec d'la broche.
BitMaster Posted June 12, 2016 Posted June 12, 2016 i7-2600k @ 4.8-5.0GHz on 1.34-1.35Volts. There is no stuttering from this CPU unless you have it in any other powermode setting than HIGH PERFORMANCE as this will throtlle your CPU up&down all the time causing stutter. I sometimes set it to BALANCED when I work on this rig and dont need the full power all the time...and then forget to switch it back...= stutter in DCS at certain points in game but not consistent. When I set it back to HP its all butter smooth but still this CPU even at 4.8GHz ( my actual DCS game setting, 5.0 I dont do for real but checking if it really works stable...and then dial back 2 notches to 4.8 to be safe )is at the edge of delivering enough draw calls in dx9...my GPU has a peak of circa 75%, usually way less, with everything on maxed settings, plain all maxed out. The times of dx9 are soon gone and it looks way better in GPU usage in NTTR, much better performance and much better hardware usage...DX12 was even better and we can only hope ED will reconsider the timeframe of when to move on with Game API as DX12 looks just so damn promising. Still, DX11 shows a huge jump forward for DCS-computing, hardware wise. Conclusion...if my 980GTX humms along at like 2/3 usage blocked by a 4.8GHz CPU I see no reason to buy better GPU unless I would scale up the monitor to 4k or above or Rift/Vise ..at least until 2.5 is out and we can actually see the perf. of Caucasus and other new maps to come. I have HT enabled and in general ONLY upped the Volts and Multiplier. Enabled all features for the CPU as I also do VM and stuff and really need all cores, HT, power modes.. What you can do is enable the OC features in Bios to allow higher currents for the CPU to be drawn and other related CPU OC/Stability features. LoadLineCalibration / LLC is one of the features I maxed to extreme just to see if it differs...same stability...same 4.8-5.0GHz...may leave those untouched and only do Volts and Multiplier.....either setup goes to 4.8-5 on my end. Hardware as in sig Gigabyte Aorus X570S Master - Ryzen 5900X - Gskill 64GB 3200/CL14@3600/CL14 - Sapphire Nitro+ 7800XT - 4x Samsung 980Pro 1TB - 1x Samsung 870 Evo 1TB - 1x SanDisc 120GB SSD - Heatkiller IV - MoRa3-360LT@9x120mm Noctua F12 - Corsair AXi-1200 - TiR5-Pro - Warthog Hotas - Saitek Combat Pedals - Asus XG27ACG QHD 180Hz - Corsair K70 RGB Pro - Win11 Pro/Linux - Phanteks Evolv-X
BitMaster Posted June 12, 2016 Posted June 12, 2016 Auto-overclock features are good, but always give more Vcore (and more heat) to the cpu, compared to a manual setting. +1 Asus peaked out at 4.73 with BUSCLK at 101 and 1.45V..... LOL Its ok to quickly see where the journey may go to, but not the final setup, please not ;) Gigabyte Aorus X570S Master - Ryzen 5900X - Gskill 64GB 3200/CL14@3600/CL14 - Sapphire Nitro+ 7800XT - 4x Samsung 980Pro 1TB - 1x Samsung 870 Evo 1TB - 1x SanDisc 120GB SSD - Heatkiller IV - MoRa3-360LT@9x120mm Noctua F12 - Corsair AXi-1200 - TiR5-Pro - Warthog Hotas - Saitek Combat Pedals - Asus XG27ACG QHD 180Hz - Corsair K70 RGB Pro - Win11 Pro/Linux - Phanteks Evolv-X
Pilotasso Posted June 12, 2016 Posted June 12, 2016 Set a 4.5 GHz overclock manually and disable C states in BIOS. BOOOOOOOOOOM Done. .
BitMaster Posted June 12, 2016 Posted June 12, 2016 4.5 is a good start, you may see your CPU overclock further once you have oc'ed it and used it a while. Mine initially did not do 4.8 stable, not even booted there ! Started at 4.2 and 4.4 for a couple weeks and then slowly upped till it reached 4.8, where I settled cause i refused to boot x49 and x50 but made me curious cause it did 4.84 when working the BUSCLK...so after about 6 month I just upped the slider in Asus OC GUI to 49 and hit apply...NO FREEZE...I ran a quick prime95 which made me wanna try 5.0 right away which also worked stable with an hour+ of prime95 + kombustor to stress everything. The tricky part is that it instantly goes 4.8 without any trouble, always, hands down. But 4.9 and 5.0 have a hiccup when switch to it and it worked better in win7 than it does in 10. It either frezzes or doesnt when u hit 4.9 or 5...if it works it works flawless but at 5.0 I get temps in the high 80, scratching the low 90..when using prime95 at its worst settings. It does it but is too much for my likings, it wont switch higher than 4.8 reliably and temps get hairy even for top notch watercooling setups. That's how mine "behaves", with a tendency to refuse 4.9 and 5.0 as of now...may be Win10 preview...as it boots and posts if oc'ed in bios..that makes me believe it's a sensible timing issue in 10 when switching the clocks, it either works or it doesnt. You can find the edition of your i5 with CPU-Z and then google the specific edition for its oc-likings, they are not alike, not at all. That may lead you to higher frequencies as many of them go way over 4.5. Gigabyte Aorus X570S Master - Ryzen 5900X - Gskill 64GB 3200/CL14@3600/CL14 - Sapphire Nitro+ 7800XT - 4x Samsung 980Pro 1TB - 1x Samsung 870 Evo 1TB - 1x SanDisc 120GB SSD - Heatkiller IV - MoRa3-360LT@9x120mm Noctua F12 - Corsair AXi-1200 - TiR5-Pro - Warthog Hotas - Saitek Combat Pedals - Asus XG27ACG QHD 180Hz - Corsair K70 RGB Pro - Win11 Pro/Linux - Phanteks Evolv-X
D4n Posted June 12, 2016 Author Posted June 12, 2016 (edited) Auto-overclock features are good, but always give more Vcore (and more heat) to the cpu, compared to a manual setting. How can this be? (Also, do u know Harley from EMT?) Set a 4.5 GHz overclock manually and disable C states in BIOS. BOOOOOOOOOOM Done. What do "C states" do? Btw ordered a big air-cooler, currently doing up to 4.01 GHz auto overclick with BIOS and Intel stock fan/air-cooler. Hope ASUS motherboard doesn't apply too much voltage and fry my CPU... Already reached 78°C on one core and package... Thermal throttling engaged once/twice down to 3.96 GHz... Edited June 12, 2016 by DanielNL DCS Wishlist: 2K11 Krug SA-4 Ganef SAM, VR-TrackIR icons next to player names in score-chart PvP: 100+ manual player-kills with Stingers on a well known dynamic campaign server - 100+ VTOL FARP landings & 125+ hours AV-8B, F-14 crew, royal dutch airforce F-16C - PvP campaigns since 2013 DCS server-admins: please adhere to a common sense gaming industry policy as most server admins throughout the industry do. (After all there's enough hostility on the internet already which really doesn't help anyone. Thanks.) Dell Visor VR headset, Ryzen 5 5600 (6C/12T), RTX 4060 - basic DCS-community rule-of-thumb: Don't believe bad things that a PvP pilot claims about another PvP pilot without having analyzed the existing evidence
D4n Posted June 12, 2016 Author Posted June 12, 2016 Edited. DCS Wishlist: 2K11 Krug SA-4 Ganef SAM, VR-TrackIR icons next to player names in score-chart PvP: 100+ manual player-kills with Stingers on a well known dynamic campaign server - 100+ VTOL FARP landings & 125+ hours AV-8B, F-14 crew, royal dutch airforce F-16C - PvP campaigns since 2013 DCS server-admins: please adhere to a common sense gaming industry policy as most server admins throughout the industry do. (After all there's enough hostility on the internet already which really doesn't help anyone. Thanks.) Dell Visor VR headset, Ryzen 5 5600 (6C/12T), RTX 4060 - basic DCS-community rule-of-thumb: Don't believe bad things that a PvP pilot claims about another PvP pilot without having analyzed the existing evidence
Pilotasso Posted June 12, 2016 Posted June 12, 2016 C states throttle up and down your CPU automatically depending on what your doing. It's a gimmick to reduce consumption much like the "cheat" on the Volkswagen cars. I found out that it introduced annoying response lag spikes and witched it off .
D4n Posted June 12, 2016 Author Posted June 12, 2016 annoying response lag spikes response lag? Srsly? But it not affects while playing a game, only if computer isn't used... [ http://www.hardwaresecrets.com/everything-you-need-to-know-about-the-cpu-c-states-power-saving-modes/2/ ] DCS Wishlist: 2K11 Krug SA-4 Ganef SAM, VR-TrackIR icons next to player names in score-chart PvP: 100+ manual player-kills with Stingers on a well known dynamic campaign server - 100+ VTOL FARP landings & 125+ hours AV-8B, F-14 crew, royal dutch airforce F-16C - PvP campaigns since 2013 DCS server-admins: please adhere to a common sense gaming industry policy as most server admins throughout the industry do. (After all there's enough hostility on the internet already which really doesn't help anyone. Thanks.) Dell Visor VR headset, Ryzen 5 5600 (6C/12T), RTX 4060 - basic DCS-community rule-of-thumb: Don't believe bad things that a PvP pilot claims about another PvP pilot without having analyzed the existing evidence
Pilotasso Posted June 12, 2016 Posted June 12, 2016 (edited) I have SSD's and they are CPU hogs. When the SSD's were put to work (basically every time I opened something, or when the background tasks required accesses and writes) the SSD's would wait for the CPU to throttle up and I could see these micro-pauses (they coincided with the fans spooling up to match). They weren't problematic but when I finally switched C states off the whole thing became fluid. Edited June 12, 2016 by Pilotasso .
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