MiG-29S EOS flying at 4000m not detecting F-15 that's straight hot and very low

[probad]

youd be crying 10x harder if eo in this game worked anything like it does irl

[D4n]

youd be crying 10x harder if eo in this game worked anything like it does irl

 

Why?? And the videos are published of course by Russian military... in real war the Russians most probably used missile fuel that burns smokeless as well. (Doesn't need an uber chemist to find out and produce smokeless rocket fuel...)

[GGTharos]

Please stop with your ridiculous assumptions. You don't just change the fuel inside a produced rocket motor. They'd use whatever they have right now. You're not getting smokeless motors, get over it.

 

Why?? And the videos are published of course by Russian military... in real war the Russians most probably used missile fuel that burns smokeless as well. (Doesn't need an uber chemist to find out and produce smokeless rocket fuel...)

[ShuRugal]

Please stop with your ridiculous assumptions. You don't just change the fuel inside a produced rocket motor. They'd use whatever they have right now. You're not getting smokeless motors, get over it.

 

please, GG, everyone knows that to convert a rocket motor to smokeless, you just have to "let the smoke out"! Open up the control section of the rocket, and start looking for big round cylinders, most likely labeled "Cxxx" on the circuit card. These are where the smoke is stored, just stick a salad fork through each one, close it up, and fire away!

[GGTharos]

*sigh* You are right, I concede. Don't forget to shake it up before popping it open so that you get it all out!

 

please, GG, everyone knows that to convert a rocket motor to smokeless, you just have to "let the smoke out"! Open up the control section of the rocket, and start looking for big round cylinders, most likely labeled "Cxxx" on the circuit card. These are where the smoke is stored, just stick a salad fork through each one, close it up, and fire away!

[Ktulu2]

Nice fight (0:29) but any reason you both kept pressing until you mutually killed each other?

 

Well... I guess I didn't expect him to spam everything at the end. I did expect R73s, and defeated those and was left too slow to evade the R77. I also pressed longer than I would usually seeing how he had ''defeated'' 3 120s at that point. Good old 29 tank lol.

[D4n]

Tank? Why? I told u AIM-9 is bad missile (I assume it was that what hit me) and then I fired everything to make sure he doesn't evade my missiles this time! :D Flankerator why u asked why we kept pressing? Isn't it all just about the kills on 104th currently? ;)

Too slow to evade R-77 ? U thought u can outrun them? xD only thing that helps might be chaff...

[Drona]

DanielNL...

 

Comrade, cool down a bit, try to listen what others on this thread have already told you. All that is priceless advice. The first step to becoming a better pilot is not blaming the simulation or the sensors, try to see what you did wrong in the first place. I see that you are very passionate, and that passion will go a long way, but try to listen (its hard, I know, but helps in the long run).

 

A great pilot will never complain about the equipment, but use what's given to him in the best possible way.

 

Use the MiG-29 the way its was supposed to be used, i.e., GCI guidance, point defense, attack bombers/ground attack aircrafts. Don't try and use it like a F-15 or a Su-27, you will most likely get killed that way. The VVS and PVO of Russia certainly didn't/don't use it that way. Notice the latest Syrian conflict? Did you see Russia use any MiG-29s for escorting their bombers/ground attack aircraft? That tells you something don't it?

 

BTW, on topic, the MiG-29s EOS equipment is not as good as the Su-27 or Su-33. In fact, the Su-33 in real life supposedly has a better EOS than the Su-27 (don't know how far that's true though).

[red_coreSix]

BTW, on topic, the MiG-29s EOS equipment is not as good as the Su-27 or Su-33. In fact, the Su-33 in real life supposedly has a better EOS than the Su-27 (don't know how far that's true though).

 

The Su-33s IRST (OLS-27K) has a new processor giving it better clutter discrimination and slightly higher range AFAIK :)

[Ktulu2]

Tank? Why? I told u AIM-9 is bad missile (I assume it was that what hit me) and then I fired everything to make sure he doesn't evade my missiles this time! :D Flankerator why u asked why we kept pressing? Isn't it all just about the kills on 104th currently? ;)

Too slow to evade R-77 ? U thought u can outrun them? xD only thing that helps might be chaff...

 

In the 1st engagement, the 3rd aim-120 I fired hit you and the 29 simply ate it, than the aim-9 got you. Yes you can outrun missiles in this game, especially MRM, simply had lost my speed escaping those nasty R73s.

[D4n]

GCI guidance,

 

Lol HOW when it seems that 104th have removed the AWACS completely from their few missions? :P (At least OP Blue Flag has GCI! :) )

 

Notice the latest Syrian conflict? Did you see Russia use any MiG-29s for escorting their bombers/ground attack aircraft? That tells you something don't it?

 

Yes I noticed there is some kind of conflict between russia, syria and ISIL far far away... No? How would I know whether they're using MiG-29 or not??? Nothing in german news television about the russian airforce...

 

BTW, on topic, the MiG-29s EOS equipment is not as good as the Su-27 or Su-33. In fact, the Su-33 in real life supposedly has a better EOS than the Su-27 (don't know how far that's true though).

 

Well, as long as the Su-27 breaks and autopilot right-left-right-left bugs aren't fixed, it is no fun to me flying Su-27 in DCS... (also no HD cockpit yet) Su-33, yes, I like to fly it but think it wasn't in OP Blue Flag... (btw. what exactly is difference between 27 and 33 ? They look same to me)

 

Ha u fired 3 AMRAAMS at me already xD Good to know MiG-29 isn't THAT easy to hit! :D (That my evasive techniques worked very well!!!)

[probad]

Ha u fired 3 AMRAAMS at me already xD Good to know MiG-29 isn't THAT easy to hit! :D (That my evasive techniques worked very well!!!)

cripes

 

 

you didnt dodge squat, you just sat there and ate missiles.

 

you took the first one straight in the face and the only thing that allowed you to live for as long as you did was the broken mig damage model. ktulu shot 2 more afterwards to make sure you died and you ate both of those too without moving an inch.

 

it's frankly insulting that you haven't even bothered to watch your tacview track when everyone else is taking the time to look into your complaint

[Svend_Dellepude]

cripes

 

 

you didnt dodge squat, you just sat there and ate missiles.

 

you took the first one straight in the face and the only thing that allowed you to live for as long as you did was the broken mig damage model. ktulu shot 2 more afterwards to make sure you died and you ate both of those too without moving an inch.

 

it's frankly insulting that you haven't even bothered to watch your tacview track when everyone else is taking the time to look into your complaint

 

Amusing none the less..! :D

[FLANKERATOR]

:D Flankerator why u asked why we kept pressing? Isn't it all just about the kills on 104th currently? ;)

 

It's always been about killing AND surviving the engagement; A kill means nothing if you got shot down; it's actually better to get back home in one piece with zero kills than not coming back at all but of course this is easier said than done.

 

Bottom line is that it takes a great deal of mental strength and discipline to overcome greediness and stay cool-headed under pressure and PvP in DCS is no exception.

[Seaeagle]

Use the MiG-29 the way its was supposed to be used, i.e., GCI guidance, point defense, attack bombers/ground attack aircrafts.

 

Generally good advice, but how is he supposed to use the MiG-29 with GCI? :)

 

Don't try and use it like a F-15 or a Su-27, you will most likely get killed that way. The VVS and PVO of Russia certainly didn't/don't use it that way. Notice the latest Syrian conflict? Did you see Russia use any MiG-29s for escorting their bombers/ground attack aircraft? That tells you something don't it?

 

Not really - AFAIK Russian Su-24s were occasionally escorted by Syrian MiG-29s. I'm not sure how exactly the Russian Su-30SMs/Su-35s were used, but it seemed more like a case of conducting CAPs around the general areas of operation rather than acting as actual escorts.

 

BTW, on topic, the MiG-29s EOS equipment is not as good as the Su-27 or Su-33. In fact, the Su-33 in real life supposedly has a better EOS than the Su-27 (don't know how far that's true though).

 

It does - basically EOS and navigation system is where the the SUV-33 differs from the SUV-27.

[D4n]

Lol right in beginning, I wonder how Roofies survived two Tor missile hits... ?!?!

 

Ha I evaded Ktulu's 2 Amraams, but HOW did my ET @ 10:22:40 MISS? SRSLY??? (withOUT him flaring!!! Or is Tacview broken?) ET at Mach 2.2 is FAR more manouverable than only pulling 10.7 G... (just look at the TacView, the missile makes what, a 5° turn? LOL??)

 

And LOL his AMRAAM going from

- 640 km/h (TAS) to 1430 km/h in just 2 sec.

- to 1820 km/h in 3 sec

- 2160 km/h in 4 sec 2510 in 5 sec

- 2930 in 6 sec?

 

R-27 ET and R-77 have same values I guess?

 

That second time it went to fast, Ktulu who was 5000 m above me already launched before he appeared on my EOS (he should have, a 12 km range)... :P

 

And R-27 ET only has 3-4 seconds burn time in DCS? Srsly? (how much does AIM-120C have?)

 

Why did my ET stop guiding @ 10:39:07 ? Any ideas? (It still had Mach 1!! It could've hit Ktulu at 10 seconds later since he was going hot again)

 

And what happened to my R-77 @ 10:39:31 ? Tacview problem or?

[Darkbrotherhood7]

Not really - AFAIK Russian Su-24s were occasionally escorted by Syrian MiG-29s. I'm not sure how exactly the Russian Su-30SMs/Su-35s were used, but it seemed more like a case of conducting CAPs around the general areas of operation rather than acting as actual escorts.

 

The Su-30SM and Su-35S are being mostly used to A/G strikes and sometimes to escort the Su-34s, probably because the Su-34 is also capable of A/A missions.

 

Back on topic, the Su-33 actually has an IRST, not EOS.

[D4n]

...IRST, not EOS.

 

[hint: it's the same]

[Ktulu2]

Hmmm...glad you figured how to use tacView @ 50%

 

1) engagement one, I DO FLARE...TWICE

 

2)No, R77 and R27 and AIM120 DO NOT have the same values.

 

3) Putting a hill between a missile and its target does have a tendency to make guidance difficult. Plus I flared, so when I recomitted, the missile wasn't looking at the right place.

 

4)The R77 hit me at 103931, tacVIew can be weird for that.

[Drona]

Generally good advice, but how is he supposed to use the MiG-29 with GCI? :)

 

You know, the old fashioned way, someone else acts as GCI and vectors him in.

 

Not really - AFAIK Russian Su-24s were occasionally escorted by Syrian MiG-29s. I'm not sure how exactly the Russian Su-30SMs/Su-35s were used, but it seemed more like a case of conducting CAPs around the general areas of operation rather than acting as actual escorts.

 

Yes, true, but my point was not to use the MiG-29 in the same way as the Su-27/F-15.

 

It does - basically EOS and navigation system is where the the SUV-33 differs from the SUV-27.

 

Not sure what you mean by this.

[Darkbrotherhood7]

[hint: it's the same]

 

I'm not sure about it, buddy!

Read this:

[ame]https://www.ida.org/idamedia/Corporate/Files/Publications/IDA_Documents/SED/ida-document-d-4642.pdf[/ame]

 

There is a difference. :)

[D4n]

Lol 100 pages, later maybe.

 

No Ktulu, between 10:22:27 and 10:22:40 you didn't drop flares (tacview not showing me...)

 

But R-27 and R-77 most probably have similar acceleration values as AIM-120C.

 

And after 39:04 you didn't drop any more flares, still my missile makes a right turn for you (to intercept) and SUDDENLY goes straight into the mountain...

 

Why did I just blow up @ 10:39:43 ?

[Seaeagle]

You know, the old fashioned way, someone else acts as GCI and vectors him in.

 

Ok I see what you mean. But that has nothing to do with the actual MiG-29/GCI system though - this is not implemented in the sim, which is why I wondered how anyone could use it :) . Moreover, the MiG-29 datalink system does not come with fighter-to-fighter or AWACS connectivity, so without GCI you would be left with simple directions via radio for remote guidance.

 

Yes, true, but my point was not to use the MiG-29 in the same way as the Su-27/F-15.

 

Yes I know - hence my; "generally good advice" :)

 

Not sure what you mean by this.

 

You said;

"..the Su-33 supposedly has a better EOS than the Su-27"

...and that you were unsure whether that is true.

 

I said that it does(have a better EOS) and that the SUV-33(WCS of the Su-33) only really differs from SUV-27(WCS of the Su-27) regarding the new EOS and navigation system(included in SUV), while the radar is the same.

Edited June 22, 2016 by Seaeagle

[Ktulu2]

Look...I've watched the tacView, I dropped flares (more intense yellow).

R27 & 77 arent 120s...they are much ******.

The missile that does into a mountain was stalled out.

Finally you didnt exploade, I did.

 

At this point I don't get how come watching tacView is so hard for you.

Edited June 22, 2016 by Ktulu2

[Sweep]

ITT: