ScopeDope Posted July 22, 2016 Posted July 22, 2016 Do you really have to hold down the nosewheel steering button while you turn, or is it supposed to be a toggle?
gospadin Posted July 22, 2016 Posted July 22, 2016 I actually prefer it this way. My liveries, mods, and missions for DCS:World M-2000C English Cockpit | Extra Beacons Mod | Nav Kneeboard | Community A-4E
ScopeDope Posted July 22, 2016 Author Posted July 22, 2016 Holy cow that's going to take some getting used to.
gospadin Posted July 22, 2016 Posted July 22, 2016 Holy cow that's going to take some getting used to. Yup. I have plowed some new paths next to the taxiways already. My liveries, mods, and missions for DCS:World M-2000C English Cockpit | Extra Beacons Mod | Nav Kneeboard | Community A-4E
El Hadji Posted July 22, 2016 Posted July 22, 2016 Glad to hear I'm not the only one struggling... I use rudder pedals but the nosewheel steering almost feels digital. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] My computer specs below: CPU: Intel Core i5 3570K@4.2GHz | CPU Cooler: Corsair Hydro H100 | GPU: MSI Nvidia GTX 680 2GB Lightning 2GB VRAM @1.3GHz | RAM: 16GB Corsair Vengeance LP DDR3 1600 | SSD 1: Corsair Force 3 120GB (SATA 6) | SSD 2: Samsung 850 EVO 500GB (SATA 6) | Hybrid disc: Seagate Momentus Hybrid 500/4GB (SATA 3) | Keyboard: QPAD MK-85 | Mouse: QPAD 5K LE | TrackIR 5 + Track Clip Pro | Thrustmaster HOTAS Warthog | MFG Crosswind | OS: Win7/64
Foul Ole Ron Posted July 22, 2016 Posted July 22, 2016 Does seem very sensitive once you engage the NWS and that's with a rudder curve of 25. No idea how accurate this is but seems like it wouldn't be so sensitive in real life. Might be a limitation of using something like saitek rudder pedals though.
El Hadji Posted July 22, 2016 Posted July 22, 2016 I am using MFG Crosswind v2 pedals (latest firmware) and I have exactly the same issue. It seems as if I enter some sort of "oscillations" where even minor rudder input makes the plane turn violently. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] My computer specs below: CPU: Intel Core i5 3570K@4.2GHz | CPU Cooler: Corsair Hydro H100 | GPU: MSI Nvidia GTX 680 2GB Lightning 2GB VRAM @1.3GHz | RAM: 16GB Corsair Vengeance LP DDR3 1600 | SSD 1: Corsair Force 3 120GB (SATA 6) | SSD 2: Samsung 850 EVO 500GB (SATA 6) | Hybrid disc: Seagate Momentus Hybrid 500/4GB (SATA 3) | Keyboard: QPAD MK-85 | Mouse: QPAD 5K LE | TrackIR 5 + Track Clip Pro | Thrustmaster HOTAS Warthog | MFG Crosswind | OS: Win7/64
gospadin Posted July 22, 2016 Posted July 22, 2016 I am using MFG Crosswind v2 pedals (latest firmware) and I have exactly the same issue. It seems as if I enter some sort of "oscillations" where even minor rudder input makes the plane turn violently. Did you map the differential wheel brakes? Even small brake input that's asymmetric will cause significant yaw. I wait until I've slowed below about 100kts, then I enable NWS and try to hold both brakes even, with as little steering input as possible. My liveries, mods, and missions for DCS:World M-2000C English Cockpit | Extra Beacons Mod | Nav Kneeboard | Community A-4E
El Hadji Posted July 22, 2016 Posted July 22, 2016 Yes I have differential brakes mapped but this happens even if I am careful about not even touching the brakes. It can happen as I line up on the runway. Might be user error though. Wouldn't be the first time... [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] My computer specs below: CPU: Intel Core i5 3570K@4.2GHz | CPU Cooler: Corsair Hydro H100 | GPU: MSI Nvidia GTX 680 2GB Lightning 2GB VRAM @1.3GHz | RAM: 16GB Corsair Vengeance LP DDR3 1600 | SSD 1: Corsair Force 3 120GB (SATA 6) | SSD 2: Samsung 850 EVO 500GB (SATA 6) | Hybrid disc: Seagate Momentus Hybrid 500/4GB (SATA 3) | Keyboard: QPAD MK-85 | Mouse: QPAD 5K LE | TrackIR 5 + Track Clip Pro | Thrustmaster HOTAS Warthog | MFG Crosswind | OS: Win7/64
jjohnson241 Posted July 22, 2016 Posted July 22, 2016 The F-86 has the same type of "hold and go" system. Took me awhile to get used to that also. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] 3rd Mar Div RVN '66-'67
El Hadji Posted July 22, 2016 Posted July 22, 2016 I don't have the same problem in the F-86 though... [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] My computer specs below: CPU: Intel Core i5 3570K@4.2GHz | CPU Cooler: Corsair Hydro H100 | GPU: MSI Nvidia GTX 680 2GB Lightning 2GB VRAM @1.3GHz | RAM: 16GB Corsair Vengeance LP DDR3 1600 | SSD 1: Corsair Force 3 120GB (SATA 6) | SSD 2: Samsung 850 EVO 500GB (SATA 6) | Hybrid disc: Seagate Momentus Hybrid 500/4GB (SATA 3) | Keyboard: QPAD MK-85 | Mouse: QPAD 5K LE | TrackIR 5 + Track Clip Pro | Thrustmaster HOTAS Warthog | MFG Crosswind | OS: Win7/64
Foul Ole Ron Posted July 22, 2016 Posted July 22, 2016 Did you map the differential wheel brakes? Even small brake input that's asymmetric will cause significant yaw. I didn't map differential wheel brakes - just use the pinky switch on the hotas for both brakes. Even when I'm applying no brakes at all the NWS is extremely sensitive to the most minor of rudder inputs. I know it's a completely different plane but the A-10C's NWS seems a lot more realistic when it comes to reacting to rudder input.
El Hadji Posted July 22, 2016 Posted July 22, 2016 (edited) Think I found the cause but I am not sure if it is a bug or a feature. The problem appears if you have the rudder pedal pressed either left or right when engaging NWS. Seems as if this makes the NWS system go haywire... Edited July 22, 2016 by El Hadji [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] My computer specs below: CPU: Intel Core i5 3570K@4.2GHz | CPU Cooler: Corsair Hydro H100 | GPU: MSI Nvidia GTX 680 2GB Lightning 2GB VRAM @1.3GHz | RAM: 16GB Corsair Vengeance LP DDR3 1600 | SSD 1: Corsair Force 3 120GB (SATA 6) | SSD 2: Samsung 850 EVO 500GB (SATA 6) | Hybrid disc: Seagate Momentus Hybrid 500/4GB (SATA 3) | Keyboard: QPAD MK-85 | Mouse: QPAD 5K LE | TrackIR 5 + Track Clip Pro | Thrustmaster HOTAS Warthog | MFG Crosswind | OS: Win7/64
Bullitthead Posted July 22, 2016 Posted July 22, 2016 Yeah, I'm using an X55 hotas with no pedals and experiencing the same issue. Very difficult to make the plane go straight again once I've used the NWS.
Steel Jaw Posted July 22, 2016 Posted July 22, 2016 I actually prefer it this way. I definitely do not but, given its realistic, will deal with it. "You see, IronHand is my thing" My specs: W10 Pro, I5/11600K o/c to 4800 @1.32v, 64 GB 3200 XML RAM, Red Dragon 7800XT/16GB, monitor: GIGABYTE M32QC 32" (31.5" Viewable) QHD 2560 x 1440 (2K) 165Hz.
Buzzles Posted July 22, 2016 Posted July 22, 2016 It really isn't hard. Same as the F86: Engage NWS, apply rudder, straighten up, disengage NWS. Fancy trying Star Citizen? Click here!
Foul Ole Ron Posted July 22, 2016 Posted July 22, 2016 The method is easy and similar to the Sabre but the sensitivity to rudder input seems very high. If that's the way it is then I'm sure I'll learn to live with it but it just seems unusually sensitive compared to other planes is all.
El Hadji Posted July 22, 2016 Posted July 22, 2016 Like I said, I have no problems with it in the F-86. Problem occurs when the nosewheel acts like I am controlling it with button presses. Either full left, full right and it is almost impossible to straighten the path. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] My computer specs below: CPU: Intel Core i5 3570K@4.2GHz | CPU Cooler: Corsair Hydro H100 | GPU: MSI Nvidia GTX 680 2GB Lightning 2GB VRAM @1.3GHz | RAM: 16GB Corsair Vengeance LP DDR3 1600 | SSD 1: Corsair Force 3 120GB (SATA 6) | SSD 2: Samsung 850 EVO 500GB (SATA 6) | Hybrid disc: Seagate Momentus Hybrid 500/4GB (SATA 3) | Keyboard: QPAD MK-85 | Mouse: QPAD 5K LE | TrackIR 5 + Track Clip Pro | Thrustmaster HOTAS Warthog | MFG Crosswind | OS: Win7/64
Cann0nF0dd3r Posted July 22, 2016 Posted July 22, 2016 Like I said, I have no problems with it in the F-86. Problem occurs when the nosewheel acts like I am controlling it with button presses. Either full left, full right and it is almost impossible to straighten the path. I know what you mean, I've had the same issue, there is no linearity to it, its either full left or full right.
Rocky49 Posted July 22, 2016 Posted July 22, 2016 yup it seems impossible to only use small inputs, the slightest touch of rudder pedal results in a full deflection to the direction of rudder input. really unusable at this point System:Motherboard Asus ROG Strix Z390-E,Asus ROG GeForce RTX 2080Ti OC, GPU, 32GB Corsair Vengeance DDR4 Ram, Intel i9 9900K @ 5 GHz , cooled by NZXT Kraken X52, Acer XB270HU G-Sinc monitor, Windows 10 Pro, Warthog joystick and throttle with wasy extension, VBK Gunfighter Pro and MCG Pro,MFG Rudder, running on a dedicated 1TB Samsung 970 Pro M2 Nvme , Super Wheel Stand Pro, with a HP Reverb G2
GaryIKILLYOU Posted July 23, 2016 Posted July 23, 2016 Experiencing the same. My Specs:Win 10 Pro 64bit/ i7 6770K 4.5Ghz/32GB DDR4/ GTX 1070 SC/Samsung SSD Warthog Stick/TWCS Throttle/TrackIR 5
Rakuzard Posted July 23, 2016 Posted July 23, 2016 How do you steer on the ground? Do you steer like first give it some rudder input and then press the button? I had some difficulties with it as well, but just in the beginning. Once I figured out that I may only touch the pedals as long as the button is pressed, everything is fine. If you have some rudder deflection and then press the button it's almost like it 'jumps' the nosewheel right into the position according to the rudder deflection - and, man the tiger can go crazy on the ground! :) Yes, the sensitivity is very very high, but imho reasonable given its very small turn radius on the ground. So, I suggest you try it like this: center your rudder press the NWS button and hold it steer with your rudder center your rudder release the NWS button If you ever find yourself releasing the NWS button while you are still not centered... good luck! :D - Deutsche Tutorials und DCS Gameplay: youtube.com/Rakuzard | raku.yt/discord -
Cool Breeze Posted July 23, 2016 Posted July 23, 2016 Hopefully, this is something that can be toned down. I'm practically breathing on my pedals to get the Tigershark down the taxiway. Anyone else have extremely sensitive roll inputs? Seems that a half input on my Warthog is resulting in a full deflection of the controls in the game. Maybe the problems are linked. "For once you have tasted flight you will walk the earth with your eyes turned skywards, for there you have been and there you will long to return." Leonardo Da Vinci "We are tied to the ocean. And when we go back to the sea, whether it is to sail or to watch - we are going back from whence we came." John F. Kennedy
El Hadji Posted July 23, 2016 Posted July 23, 2016 Normally I don't use any deadzones or curvatures for my Warthog but I had to add it for the F-5. It was extremely twitchy and moving my stick the slightest caused the plane to roll. Pitch axis was also very sensitive. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] My computer specs below: CPU: Intel Core i5 3570K@4.2GHz | CPU Cooler: Corsair Hydro H100 | GPU: MSI Nvidia GTX 680 2GB Lightning 2GB VRAM @1.3GHz | RAM: 16GB Corsair Vengeance LP DDR3 1600 | SSD 1: Corsair Force 3 120GB (SATA 6) | SSD 2: Samsung 850 EVO 500GB (SATA 6) | Hybrid disc: Seagate Momentus Hybrid 500/4GB (SATA 3) | Keyboard: QPAD MK-85 | Mouse: QPAD 5K LE | TrackIR 5 + Track Clip Pro | Thrustmaster HOTAS Warthog | MFG Crosswind | OS: Win7/64
Cool Breeze Posted July 23, 2016 Posted July 23, 2016 Normally I don't use any deadzones or curvatures for my Warthog but I had to add it for the F-5. It was extremely twitchy and moving my stick the slightest caused the plane to roll. Pitch axis was also very sensitive. Ok, well at least I'm not the only one then! Lol! She is definitely a twitchy little jet.:joystick: Maybe they will tone them down later. Still, I've already had a really fun couple of hours! I can't wait to get her out to Nellis! "For once you have tasted flight you will walk the earth with your eyes turned skywards, for there you have been and there you will long to return." Leonardo Da Vinci "We are tied to the ocean. And when we go back to the sea, whether it is to sail or to watch - we are going back from whence we came." John F. Kennedy
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