Operation "Blue Flag" - 24/7 PvP Campaign - ROUND 8

[Jugdriver]

Thanks Greg, Xcom, Ciribob and rest of Blue Flag team for all your hard work, once again I had a blast.

 

Now to figure out how to stay alive in the F5....

 

JD

AKA_MattE

[viperdogsnake]

How about Blue executing a amphibious assault from the Black Sea then pushing East. Then reverse it with Red getting a beach head.

[Reaper6]

Exactly! 1 week ago Red team was goading Blue side for "giving up"... I saw some instances of 3-4 to one odds in their favor. This ain't about a single advantage over another. It's about teamwork

 

Huh? When did Red have those odds??? Wish I would have been on during those times!

 

Reaper6

[Alpenwolf]

Dear god, no!

 

Ah, Jester... So the blue team had the disadvantages now?! If that is the case then it aint worth any further comments!!! You obviousley don't own russian planes and if you do you don't fly them as much as we do to actually see what the last weeks have done to the general performance and/or missiles...

 

Take care, buddy...

[Jester Darrak]

That's not the point. RWR must be worth something and if you see a 29 on it you know it's a bandit. If you see a 15 on it you know it's friendly. Everything else is just Battlfield-esque and at no point authentic.

 

Ah, Jester... So the blue team had the disadvantages now?! If that is the case then it aint worth any further comments!!! You obviousley don't own russian planes and if you do you don't fly them as much as we do to actually see what the last weeks have done to the general performance and/or missiles...

 

Take care, buddy...

[Caffeine_High]

... We just need to have all aircraft on both sides with the same SAMs and then it will truly be fair or even just all full fidelity modules on both sides.

 

I wouldn't be opposed to this. Blue Flag is about working as a team to conquer a map. East vs West is a lot of fun, but that puts East at a disadvantage (as we've seen this round). I don't like the idea of a server where we're nerfing aircraft loadouts, fuel levels at spawn, AI fighter types and intelligence, etc. to be means of balance. Give everybody everything and fight for territory. Then we can look at introducing player limits because participation will greatly influence the outcome.

[BodyOrgan]

Huh? When did Red have those odds??? Wish I would have been on during those times!

 

Reaper6

He must have taken a look during server restart when a couple Red might have beaten the horde of Blue into the server.

 

BTW! Congratulations Bluefor! I kept laying my KUBS as promised... though unless it's the Korean/Vietnam version next or BuddySpike implements max team slots I think I'm skipping out for the foreseeable future.

[Pikey]

Nothing to say it has to be Western vs Eastern Bloc designs consistently. Ethiopia had Sabre's and F5's in the 70's vs Mig21's in Somalia. By 1985 they were getting Floggers and had done a switch to Russia. I'd rather a meaningful RWR, but it doesn't have to split down the bloc's perfectly.

[-Pilot-]

... We just need to have all aircraft on both sides with the same SAMs and then it will truly be fair or even just all full fidelity modules on both sides.

 

+1

[microvax]

I have thought about the possibilities to add naval vessels as well, since we will soon get capable ASM carrying planes/Carrier operated planes.

 

Its really hard to come up with a concept here imho. Because, well a Carrier fleet isnt really capturable, the only thing you can do is sink it. :D

So instead of defending it from capture it would be indeed cool to have a carrier/invasion fleet going from the east to the west and vice versa for each side. If the fleet reaches the other end of the map, a bridgehead is established with a FARP maybee ?

 

That way you would get helis somewhere deep in enemy teritory and fighter crafts from the carrier. It doesnt seem to me like a game over thing, because you dont get the fully featured arsenal of planes, neither do you get an airfield or something directly.

At some point the fleets would probably engage each other and the one which has survived the whole trip better will obviously deal greater damage to the enemys fleet.

Also you could fly in spare parts with choppers, as long as your fleet is in viable range for helis from the coast. I mean it would take something like 10 hours for a fleet to get from one end to the other, so it would be a really longterm operation.

 

Just some Ideas, dont even know if that is an option to have like 10 ships moving, probably the server will die from that already because #DCS.

 

And i liked the nato vs. pact concept and would say it should be kept that way.

Way more reason to join redfor for a round at some point then with all get the same CAS stuff.

 

What I also would find interesting would be capturing small amounts of enemy equipment. like red getting 1 or 2 f15s out of blue home bases and blue su27s. Or mi29/mirages etc. etc.. Dunno just an idea.

Edited August 15, 2016 by microvax

[Enduro14]

Please maintain Nato Vs Warsaw Pact anything else is just pointless. Its the biggest negative on the Other servers having to guess weather that 15 is a friend or foe.

Thanks for the hard work sorry Red i had to miss the last 3 or 4 days. Maybe next time

[Voodooflies]

Please maintain Nato Vs Warsaw Pact anything else is just pointless. Its the biggest negative on the Other servers having to guess weather that 15 is a friend or foe.

Thanks for the hard work sorry Red i had to miss the last 3 or 4 days. Maybe next time

 

+1. :thumbup:

[Caffeine_High]

Please maintain Nato Vs Warsaw Pact anything else is just pointless. Its the biggest negative on the Other servers having to guess weather that 15 is a friend or foe.

Thanks for the hard work sorry Red i had to miss the last 3 or 4 days. Maybe next time

 

If it's East/West, then things have to become nerfed, and unfair, and we have people complaining. No AIM-120s & ETs, no CBUs or anti-radiation missiles, F-15's spawning w/o fuel, inferrior blue AI aircraft and intelligence, etc. etc. Where does the nerfing stop until everybody is happy with East/West.

Edited August 15, 2016 by Caffeine_High

[microvax]

Everyone should be happy as soon as we just supply all the aircrafts as is, only putting limits regarding time period as far as possible.

 

If people arent happy then, they can just go play on most of the other servers, since the all frames vs all frames is quite common as I do understand it.

 

I like the asymetric setup and honestly I also think it would balance red vs blue player numbers better over time.

 

Had multiple people on blue missing red frames blue normally gets. And probably the other way around as well.

 

@bodyorgan maybee redfor will get an advantage next time, we shall see. ;)

 

 

Just gonna leave this here:

[ame]

[/ame]

[Not looking at anyone just trying to stahp the balancing memez.]

Edited August 15, 2016 by microvax

[Alpenwolf]

What I also would find interesting would be capturing small amounts of enemy equipment. like red getting 1 or 2 f15s out of blue home bases and blue su27s. Or mi29/mirages etc. etc.. Dunno just an idea.

 

That'd be cool! But also capturing these units should be limited. And when captured they get their own scheme/painting as if to help the allying players to determine if they're friendly or foe.

 

I wouldnt mine limiting the weapons as well. Same way fuel is limited and fuel crates must be transferred... On the other hand it might get too lame if at some point you have no heli pilots online for a certain period of time.

[microvax]

What I also would find interesting would be capturing small amounts of enemy equipment. like red getting 1 or 2 f15s out of blue home bases and blue su27s. Or mi29/mirages etc. etc.. Dunno just an idea.

 

That'd be cool! But also capturing these units should be limited. And when captured they get their own scheme/painting as if to help the allying players to determine if they're friendly or foe.

 

I wouldnt mine limiting the weapons as well. Same way fuel is limited and fuel crates must be transferred... On the other hand it might get too lame if at some point you have no heli pilots online for a certain period of time.

 

sounds good to me. Just a very limited stockpile and maybee not every base/FARP. Just a few. :)

[Alpenwolf]

Just gonna leave this here:

[ame]

[/ame]

[Not looking at anyone just trying to stahp the balancing memez.]

 

The lag is a damn issue, man! It did screw me over in various dogfights! Having the enemy jumping up and down all over the screen. That one actually does happen :D It's pretty much annoying when the other player denies it although he knew it lagged, but hey! He's got the kill so it was his skill not the lag :chair: yeah, right...

 

The rest is just not important to me.

 

S!

[microvax]

Just gonna leave this here:

[Not looking at anyone just trying to stahp the balancing memez.]

 

The lag is a damn issue, man! It did screw me over in various dogfights! Having the enemy jumping up and down all over the screen. That one actually does happen :D It's pretty much annoying when the other player denies it although he knew it lagged, but hey! He's got the kill so it was his skill not the lag :chair: yeah, right...

 

The rest is just not important to me.

 

S!

 

The lag and balancing were the main parts I was looking at. ;D Although the rest sometimes applies as well. :D But not as prominent.

[Enduro14]

If it's East/West, then things have to become nerfed, and unfair, and we have people complaining. No AIM-120s & ETs, no CBUs or anti-radiation missiles, F-15's spawning w/o fuel, inferrior blue AI aircraft and intelligence, etc. etc. Where does the nerfing stop until everybody is happy with East/West.

 

Let them complain, create a realistic grown up environment and grown ups will fill the server. The teenage mindset of COD and Air quake will get discouraged and go elsewhere im totally fine with that. That Air quake COD mindset detracts from the awesome scenario Buddyspike team puts together.

Let them complain they will either conform or go away, either way its a win.

[Caffeine_High]

:megalol:

Let them complain, create a realistic grown up environment and grown ups will fill the server. The teenage mindset of COD and Air quake will get discouraged and go elsewhere im totally fine with that. That Air quake COD mindset detracts from the awesome scenario Buddyspike team puts together.

Let them complain they will either conform or go away, either way its a win.

 

So keep nerfing until it's just you and your friends playing....got it

[Jugdriver]

Please maintain Nato Vs Warsaw Pact anything else is just pointless. Its the biggest negative on the Other servers having to guess weather that 15 is a friend or foe.

 

+1

 

JD

AKA_MattE

[salling772]

I like the the way it was setup the only change I would like is put the sead mission back in. su25t for both sides because it is the only sead mission aircraft in the game also it is the free aircraft when you get dcs worlds this should be on both side to get new players into dcs. we had a lot of new players on the blue side this round. we can also run the round 9 that represents a 20 year war each day of play would move a year. say start at 1980 and each day you would add the weapons that came out so the beginning you would only have 80s missles and weapons and at the end you would have all the weapons just like a real war as weapons came online so when flying dos that other airplane have 120 or et's or just aim-6 or aa-10. Would like to see when you get into back enemies Homeland basis a Front line fighter that you could use to defend on restart. love the bomber call in. would love to have a gci can call a tanker in would give a little more flexibility for aircraft in long range aircraft sorties. and as a wild card into the game is have a mass AI bomber attack on a random Target or a ship that show up off the cost.

[Tello]

My feelings about round 8 is that we all got screwed over by ED patch. It was just bad luck for REDFOR that BLUFOR had so much clickydiclick modules while RED is stuck with flying feathers (muhahahahaha)

Overall the most annoying feature was the clickwar sitting in server browser giving up to fingercramps and just play a less populated server instead, but good to see the BF and especially BLUFOR being so popular :D I hope for even more fun and a even greater challenge in the form of more skills and less bugs for all of us in next rounds to come!

 

I dedicate this piece to all REDFOR fighters for keeping up with "documented PRO flight models"

(Frustrations are well documented)

 

Edited August 15, 2016 by BIGNEWY
fixed youtube

[microvax]

My feelings about round 8 is that we all got screwed over by ED patch. It was just bad luck for REDFOR that BLUFOR had so much clickydiclick modules while RED is stuck with flying feathers (muhahahahaha)

Overall the most annoying feature was the clickwar sitting in server browser giving up to fingercramps and just play a less populated server instead, but good to see the BF and especially BLUFOR being so popular :D I hope for even more fun and a even greater challenge in the form of more skills and less bugs for all of us in next rounds to come!

 

I dedicate this piece to all REDFOR fighters for keeping up with "documented PRO flight models"

(Frustrations are well documented)

 

 

a) youtube link broken have to use quote function to watch -10 points for gryfindor

b) I dont even see whats happening really. Might have been you seen it, due h264 not painting over the marvelous details of fault free DCS night rendering with a dull, aproximated grey to black, which has been simplified in geometry by trigonometric functions, but I cant. :D

 

What I can see is a probably f15 beeing engaged by you by gun, you completly miss the first run, then due to lag or maneuvers or i dunno whats happening you overshoot get him with IRST and destroy him on the second pass.

 

I dont even know whats wrong because I cant see stuff and there is no tacview nor graphs to highlight the issue you see. :D

 

Enlight me plox ! :D literally :D

Edited August 15, 2016 by microvax
The need for profanity free poetic sentences is real.

[microvax]

Greg,

 

While you're taking suggestions and adding things in to the next scenario. Can I request a petting zoo be placed near my FARP? Maybe a few ducks or a pony? Sorry... but some of these suggestions are totally off the wall for a "BLUE FLAG" scenario!

 

Reaper6

 

What your FARP ? All petting zoos will be blue on mission start ofc. Reds will have to pay double entrance fee in fuel. :lol:

The oppresive redfor repression has to continue in every area.

 

Dunno If you are referring to my fleet Ideas, I am not requesting them, just shared my thoughts on how naval aircraft/ anti ship aircraft could get a job in blueflag.

And since, if we speculate wildly, we will have something like 2-3 rounds before theese frames start to materialize, I just wanted to get the ball rolling Idea wise. :) Not requesting that my Idea shall get implemented. :D

[Viggen, F18, Tomcat with a big question mark, although the state the Viggen will get released in, as it seems, might indeed allow Leatherneck to bring the f14 sooner then one think they will but hey, speculations]

 

I should really write a disclaimer in my signature that all my statements are made while beeing aware that I am one person, I can only ever have a limited perspective and while I try to be as close as something vaguely defineable as "correct", I never expect to be correct, even if I do not see the flaw in my thinking. :D

 

And then people would probably not read the disclaimer and still think I am not beeing aware of that but well hey. :D happenz

 

 

EDIT: Where did the freakin post go reaper. :D Not only your KA50 disappears form radar, also your post. OP PLOX NURF :D