Operation "Blue Flag" - 24/7 PvP Campaign - ROUND 8

[Reaper6]

Wasn't around for that campaign, so without knowing the rest of the conditions I can't disagree/agree with you.

 

From what I understand it was not NATO vs Russia though so whatever specific combination you had on redfor may have worked very well......and I am guessing you also had the KA50 since you fly that pretty exclusively from what I understand... soo common thread again is the KA50 wins games.

 

I think teamwork wins games, and the KA50 just assists. I thnk most BlueFlag campaigns I have flown both sides had KA50. This is the first one for me that only red had.

 

Reaper6

[Hedhunta]

You should be careful speaking in absolutes. Yesterday I closed a FARP by myself in an A-10C with 4 Mavericks, 3 GBU-12s and some 30mm. The ONLY reason we didn't capture the FARP outright was because the person flying the Huey's game crashed. We were looked at a few times by various fighters but they rans away when the single fighter CAP we had turned toward them.

 

Sierra

 

You are one in a million man, I have watched A10's zerg themselves on FARPS for hours sitting in my huey on the ground waiting for them to blow stuff up.

[smileponybrown]

Come on guys... don't argue about balance because there's none. It's like complaining about the AMRAAM. Well, it's better than a R-27ER, we just deal with it don't we ?

 

I joined Red thinking to myself, Blue side's gonna have the advantage but whatever, I like the challenge :music_whistling:

 

Turns out we have an edge on you this round... Well, someone's gotta loose. And I don't think it's because of that heli, or that missile or whatever... There's probably more people playing Red, or better teamplay, or just better pilots, that's it... deal with it, try something new, have fun instead of ranting for god's sake! :pilotfly:

[Beeroshima]

I was saying in general, people say that's what I do to avoid jets. I'm not going to put my secrets out there during the campaign. But I have always been available to teach other people what I know about the KA50. I also love to hear feedback, especially when it helps me become even better.

 

Reaper6

I've been missing the ka50 terribly during this BF. I'd love to get with you to learn some more about it.

 

Sent while I should be working instead.

[vparez]

Hi all,

i am new to BF and i flew a few sorties and it wascgreat fun...

i can just say that blue GCI was not working very well and the reds seemed much better organized while mostly outnumbered. So i dont think its the weapons, nor is it the individual skill, but teamwork which is the deciding factor.

I personally was a bit disappointed how blue gci payed no attention to new players and worked only with pilots they knew from before. In spite of my best efforts to sign in to a proper gci channel, announce my flight and ask for tasking, i was mostly forgotten by the operator.

 

One thing i would like to know (and pardon my ignorance) why does the gci always give directions with respect to a certain player? isnt it more useful to refer to a preset bullseye so that everyone has an idea where is stuff without needing to clutter the channel with questions? of course when the friendly is close to engagement its easier, but when a gci gives a picture it would be much more informative to do it with a common reference?

[kobeshow]

Hi all,

i am new to BF and i flew a few sorties and it wascgreat fun...

i can just say that blue GCI was not working very well and the reds seemed much better organized while mostly outnumbered. So i dont think its the weapons, nor is it the individual skill, but teamwork which is the deciding factor.

I personally was a bit disappointed how blue gci payed no attention to new players and worked only with pilots they knew from before. In spite of my best efforts to sign in to a proper gci channel, announce my flight and ask for tasking, i was mostly forgotten by the operator.

 

One thing i would like to know (and pardon my ignorance) why does the gci always give directions with respect to a certain player? isnt it more useful to refer to a preset bullseye so that everyone has an idea where is stuff without needing to clutter the channel with questions? of course when the friendly is close to engagement its easier, but when a gci gives a picture it would be much more informative to do it with a common reference?

 

Welcome to BlueFlag (;

 

in regards to the GCI calls, since he sees "everything" it is better for him to give directions from individual aircraft, a Bullseye call is best used in a flight where you can't see where your wingmen are, so you have to communicate that verbally somehow.

[mia389]

Hi all,

i am new to BF and i flew a few sorties and it wascgreat fun...

i can just say that blue GCI was not working very well and the reds seemed much better organized while mostly outnumbered. So i dont think its the weapons, nor is it the individual skill, but teamwork which is the deciding factor.

I personally was a bit disappointed how blue gci payed no attention to new players and worked only with pilots they knew from before. In spite of my best efforts to sign in to a proper gci channel, announce my flight and ask for tasking, i was mostly forgotten by the operator.

 

One thing i would like to know (and pardon my ignorance) why does the gci always give directions with respect to a certain player? isnt it more useful to refer to a preset bullseye so that everyone has an idea where is stuff without needing to clutter the channel with questions? of course when the friendly is close to engagement its easier, but when a gci gives a picture it would be much more informative to do it with a common reference?

 

 

Ask gci for picture in bulzeye format. Blue has some good gci's and some that are horriable. Its also hard to gci guys that have no idea what is going on. Alot of players this round are new and just do things on their own and do nothing to contribute to the battle. Imfact they take heli slots that are needed for an objective some times.

[M0ltar]

You are one in a million man, I have watched A10's zerg themselves on FARPS for hours sitting in my huey on the ground waiting for them to blow stuff up.

 

Guys, its not that hard to close a farp or an airfield if the skies are clear. I can close a farp in 1 pass with an A10C. Rifle 6 mavericks, drop GBU 38s on buildings and urals and gun the rest. Not hard. So let's not say its not possible.

 

Most people in the A10C have a drastic overzealous idea of how good they are and use the plane in the wrong way. If anyone wants lessons I'm down.

[Hedhunta]

Guys, its not that hard to close a farp or an airfield if the skies are clear. I can close a farp in 1 pass with an A10C. Rifle 6 mavericks, drop GBU 38s on buildings and urals and gun the rest. Not hard. So let's not say its not possible.

 

Most people in the A10C have a drastic overzealous idea of how good they are and use the plane in the wrong way. If anyone wants lessons I'm down.

 

I could down an entire FARP with an F15 if the skies were clear.... the whole point is that the KA50 can do it when there are 15 buzzards flying overhead.

[microvax]

Its a medium to big annoyance that the 342l as the only bluefor cannon armed heli is not available at Airfields. :D God damn !

[vparez]

Thanks for the welcome!

 

Of course thats true, but this leaves the rest without info... I cant see the picture so i dont know exactly where friendlies are. Just leaves me useless and late to help.

Anyway, i am glad to see people doing the gci job, it really increases immersion!

Nice campaign you guys have here, really well done. Hope you all dont go too much into the balance and whowon debates... its not worth it when we have such a good multiplayer experience!

[M0ltar]

I could down an entire FARP with an F15 if the skies were clear.... the whole point is that the KA50 can do it when there are 15 buzzards flying overhead.

 

First of all, no they can't. Just in the last round I watched at 2 KA50's were inbound with an MI8 farp to take it. The choppers got wrecked.

 

I think what most people on blue have a problem with is how good Reaper is in a KA50 so they think the KA50 is this overpowered beast of a thing. Its not. Its all about how the pilot uses it and understands it just like how I use my A10C (i think).

 

Lets forget about getting made about air frames (aside from the KA50 having the bomber ;)) and remember that its all about the pilot. Most of the people I see in the KA50 are not talented and as a result are shot down or in effective. People just assume since one pilot can do something that the thing doing it is broken and want it banned or changed.

Edited August 8, 2016 by M0ltar

[Reaper6]

First of all, no they can't. Just in the last round I watched at 2 KA50's were inbound with an MI8 farp to take it. The choppers got wrecked.

 

I think what most people on blue have a problem with is how good Reaper is in a KA50 so they think the KA50 is this overpowered beast of a thing. Its not. Its all about how the pilot uses it and understands it just like how I use my A10C (i think).

 

Lets forget about getting made about air frames (aside from the KA50 having the bomber ;)) and remember that its all about the pilot. Most of the people I see in the KA50 are not talented and as a result are shot down or in effective. People just assume since one pilot can do something that the thing doing it is broken and want it banned or changed.

 

I do agree with you, it's all about pilot skill AND tactics. I wouldn't mind if they got rid of the bomber for KA50, I only use it to troll Blue team :)

 

Reaper6

[microvax]

First of all, no they can't. Just in the last round I watched at 2 KA50's were inbound with an MI8 farp to take it. The choppers got wrecked.

 

I think what most people on blue have a problem with is how good Reaper is in a KA50 so they think the KA50 is this overpowered beast of a thing. Its not. Its all about how the pilot uses it and understands it just like how I use my A10C (i think).

 

Lets forget about getting made about air frames (aside from the KA50 having the bomber ;)) and remember that its all about the pilot. Most of the people I see in the KA50 are not talented and as a result are shot down or in effective. People just assume since one pilot can do something that the thing doing it is broken and want it banned or changed.

 

yep !

[microvax]

Reaper not op confirmed. ))) Me gathered secret inte with bird of prey view,l about events including bodyorgan. )))

[Hedhunta]

Welp, looks like blue has surrendered.

[Sierra99]

You are one in a million man...

 

Nah, I'm average as the next guy...the difference was we had a dedicated GCI and people were working together. Tonight there were dozens of people in simple radio...all on their own frequencies. No matter what the experts here think, this is not how it's done in the real world.

 

That and the last 3 Blue Flags have all gone exactly the same...everyone battles and fights over the East...ignores the West till the end...when it's too late. Predictable.

 

Sierra.

[razgriz33]

Welp, looks like blue has surrendered.

 

nahhhh, fight 'til the end :thumbup: :pilotfly:

[BodyOrgan]

Reaper not op confirmed. ))) Me gathered secret inte with bird of prey view,l about events including bodyorgan. )))

 

We were just making sure the ejector system worked :thumbup:

[Enduro14]

I dont think you udnerstand what I mean, due to the bugged gazelle ground interaction model it sometimes gets lit on fire if you touchdown within even 50% of the specified landing params, and then you start rolling over and over even on flat ground. Burning, pilots blacked out, stuff like that.

 

And its literally so frusttrating because there is no way to avoid it. :D

 

Didnt mean anything with parking in trees or rolling on the ground. :)

 

Only did go full ifv mode once in the kamov. Mig29 flew so close to me trying to gun me so i lost one blade, no problem tovarish, bump the back in a upward slope trimm it stationary and keep engaging with vikhrs. xD

 

Why complain and rage against us because the Airframe you Choose to fly is broken, Make a Bug ticket with the developer??

Cant believe all the hate against the Kamov... Guess now you realize why so many conficts in the past have been won by the rotorwing. I will have to say this being my first Blueflag its great but man we have so many bugs in dcs....

[M0ltar]

Why complain and rage against us because the Airframe you Choose to fly is broken, Make a Bug ticket with the developer??

Cant believe all the hate against the Kamov... Guess now you realize why so many conficts in the past have been won by the rotorwing. I will have to say this being my first Blueflag its great but man we have so many bugs in dcs....

 

You're taking his conversation out of context. He was directly talking with Reaper6. Stop just crusdading to burn peoples comments. Let this thread be contructive instead of just undermining everyone.

 

Second, I think there is an issue with the repair scripts with the airfields. A) having the airfields closed on restart when they were 40% repaired etc is crippling and is one of the reasons blue lost the east yesterday. I know this happens to red too, Im simply using this recent example. B) Im finding there is an issue in that the interceptors are included in the repair timer. Lets say we kill the AI, I fly in and attack the airfield and blow up the bunkers. The darn airfield will repair based on the timer from when the AI interceptors were destroyed and in my case repaired the bunkers 20 seconds after I started my attack. The airfield had not been touched prior to this with the exception of the interceptors.

 

Is this intended or something that was overlooked?

Edited August 9, 2016 by M0ltar

[Beeroshima]

Your taking his conversation out of context. He was directly talking with Reaper6. Stop just crusdading to burn peoples comments. Let this thread be contructive instead of just undermining everyone.

 

Second, I think there is an issue with the repair scripts with the airfields. A) having the airfields closed on restart when they were 40% repaired etc is crippling and is one of the reasons blue lost the east yesterday. B) Im finding there is an issue in that the interceptors are included in the repair timer. Lets say we kill the AI, I fly in and attack the airfield and blow up the bunkers. The darn airfield will repair based on the timer from when the AI interceptors took off and in my case repaired the bunkers 20 seconds after I started my attack. The airfield had not been touched prior to this with the exception of the interceptors.

 

Is this intended or something that was overlooked?

This exact scenario has happened at maykop and kras pash like 33 times this event.

 

Sent while I should be working instead.

[microvax]

Why complain and rage against us because the Airframe you Choose to fly is broken, Make a Bug ticket with the developer??

Cant believe all the hate against the Kamov... Guess now you realize why so many conficts in the past have been won by the rotorwing. I will have to say this being my first Blueflag its great but man we have so many bugs in dcs....

 

I am not complainging about anything. :D Ask the red scrublords who where on red TS yesterday, we had good fun, at least I had fun talking to them. :D

 

 

All those warcrimes yesterday ! )))

 

 

Oh and i think the ai mig29s get scrambled by the ai b1b sitting in tblisi, because we had 4 ai mig 29 comming west directly after server restart without anything getting closer then 50nm.

[Without the EWS message, so I guess that happens as soon as the server unpauses, blue detected within range X, ai scramble, b1b gets shot by airfield defences and is of dead and then they scramble never again, still its a bit unfair. :D]

Edited August 9, 2016 by microvax

[BodyOrgan]

This exact scenario has happened at maykop and kras pash like 33 times this event.

 

Sent while I should be working instead.

Seems to happen at random at all airfields. Yesterday we held Sochi for 6 hours, but it never repaired past 0%, so it was completely useless to push forward with.

[Enduro14]

Did we try mi8 with repair crate? Oh and I forgive you Body organ was so close to repair that Kub lol!

Edited August 9, 2016 by Enduro14